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PostPosted: 07 Jul 2011, 09:28 
cestina wrote:
Pottasche = Kaliumcarbonat (pottasium carbonate; US recipes usually call for "baking soda" or "carbonate of ammonia")"


Well. How interesting. I also found this:

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potash, potassium compound obtained from wood ashes (used in fertilizers, soaps, etc.)


So it originally did come from wood ash. Does it work as a raising agent then? The thing is that if I substitute baking soda it really will change the tatse of the final product. And wouldn't it taste different acccording to whether I used a potassium or ammonia carbonate?


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PostPosted: 07 Jul 2011, 09:38 
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It makes the lebkuchen (or Pfeffernusse at least) firmer, rather than soft and cake-like. I've tried making Pfeffernussec without the Potasche and it doesn't work, they go squashy like the base of a Jaffa Cake.

Julianne, if you want Lebkuchengewurze or Potasche/Hirschhornsalz, just say, and I'll send them !


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PostPosted: 07 Jul 2011, 09:41 
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You can probably also find them in Polish shops in the UK. Our little small-town Polish shop certainly carries the Lebkuchengewurz

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 Post subject: Re: A new Chalet School Recipe Book
PostPosted: 07 Jul 2011, 14:12 
We had several Polish people in the villlage and the Spar shop did start to stock Polish things at one point. But they've disappeared now and the shop's gone back to the usual.

I've made some jam tarts today and have just been writng it all up in The Book. I know that although sugar rationing didn't finish until 1953, there were compensations allowed for the making of jam, although I'm finding it hard to track it down.

And can someone help me with this, please? In one book Len (I think) remarks that they know that Matey's making jam for the sale because they're all being limited to aone spoonful of jam per girl, for tea. So does this mean that Matey was resonsible for all jam in the school, and that the girls had waht she made? I know that some of them had jams and jellies in their tuck boxes, but was all the rest only made by Matey do you suppose?


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 Post subject: Re: A new Chalet School Recipe Book
PostPosted: 07 Jul 2011, 17:41 
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And can someone help me with this, please? In one book Len (I think) remarks that they know that Matey's making jam for the sale because they're all being limited to aone spoonful of jam per girl, for tea. So does this mean that Matey was resonsible for all jam in the school, and that the girls had waht she made? I know that some of them had jams and jellies in their tuck boxes, but was all the rest only made by Matey do you suppose?


As early as Lintons, Matey is making 'home-made' jam for the sale, though at the Fairy-Tale sale it seems to be part of a general effort from all the staff, who are handling the confectionery stall:

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The staff had undertaken to provide a sweets and confectionary stall, and were all hard at work in the Domestic Economy kitchen, turning out cakes and bonbons of all sorts. Matron had donated twenty dozen pots of home-made jam, which always found a ready sale.


The 'donating' and 'home-made' sounds rather as if she'd made it somewhere other than the school domestic economy kitchen, but as her home is the school, presumably she did make the jam there. But the staff never provide for a sweet stall of their own again (as far as I can remember), but Matey's annual jam contribution seems to continue.

And as you say, the fact that the girls are being restricted in their jam intake at tea in a later book suggests that Matey is now responsible for all school jam - I think this is one of the occasions on which she is being treated by EBD as a semi-housekeeper figure, rather than someone who is solely responsible for school health. It doesn't make a great deal of sense to me that, with a full kitchen staff, it is the school matron who's responsible for all school jam - and it would be a huge amount of jam, given the size of the school and the fact that it seems to be eaten at two meals a day!

And another food question from Joey and Co that I've meant to ask about on here for years - the jar of koumiss the Maynards bring to the Richardsons' chalet when Roger is laid up! I had to look it up to find that it is a mildly alcoholic kind of dairy drink originally made from fermented mare's milk by Central Asian peoples, and which used to be thought of as a wonder food for invalids:

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Toward the end of the 19th century, kumis had a strong enough reputation as a cure-all to support a small industry of "kumis cure" resorts, mostly in southeastern Russia, where patients were "furnished with suitable light and varied amusement" during their treatment, which consisted of drinking large quantities of kumis. W. Gilman Thompson's 1906 Practical Diatetics reports that kumis has been cited as beneficial for a range of chronic diseases, including tuberculosis, bronchitis, catarrh, and anemia. Gilman also says that a large part of the credit for the successes of the "kumis cure" is due not to the beverage, but to favorable summer climates at the resorts.[20] Among notables to try the kumis cure were writers Leo Tolstoy and Anton Chekhov. Chekhov, long-suffering from tuberculosis, checked into a kumis cure resort in 1901. Drinking four bottles a day for two weeks, he gained 12 pounds but no cure.[21]
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Does anyone else know anything about koumiss and whether it was something EBD would have come across in the UK or on her travels? Joey was the one who sent the basket along with jelly and other invalid fare for Roger, so presumably she had it to hand at Die Blumen, but it still sounds like a quite exotic thing to have lying around in your holiday home! Was it commonly served to invalids in the UK in EBD's day? And given that Roger refuses goat's milk, would he ever have drunk koumiss?? :shock: :D


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 Post subject: Re: A new Chalet School Recipe Book
PostPosted: 07 Jul 2011, 18:26 
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Given Matey's worrying tendency to haul people out of lessons to tidy their drawers, root though hatboxes looking for mucky books and get upset if people have not packed their trunks in exactly the right way, it wouldn't surprise me if she jealously guarded all the jam and made sure that every person got exactly one spoonful per meal, not a smidgeon more and not a smidgeon less.

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 Post subject: Re: A new Chalet School Recipe Book
PostPosted: 08 Jul 2011, 07:59 
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julieanne1811 wrote:
Note about "Lebkuchen spices". If you do not buy premixed "Lebkuchen Gewürz" from a German store, you may mix your own.

•2 T. ground cinnamon
•2 tsp. ground cloves
•1/2 tsp. ground allspice
•1/4 tsp. ground nutmeg
•1/2 tsp. ground coriander
•1/2 tsp. ground cardamom
•1/2 tsp. ground ginger
•1/2 tsp. ground anise seed
Use 1 to 2 tablespoons per recipe.


Sounds a lot like Dutch Spekkulaa spices.

Potato varieties- all taste different and yes, would depend on the nutrients given and soil type grown in. Also how fresh they were.
If you can get Kipfler potatoes in the UK try them. Dutch Cream are also pretty good and King Edwards are good for baking. Maccas use Russet Burbank potatoes as they can be pretty standard over the world.

Do you have Farmers' Markets over there?

Be careful if using the potash- it can burn skin. Sometimes used to help with de- bittering olives.
I think it's alkaline, so for a chemical reaction to make cakes rise there must be something acid in the recipie.


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 Post subject: Re: A new Chalet School Recipe Book
PostPosted: 08 Jul 2011, 09:04 
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Sounds a lot like Dutch Spekkulaa spices.


There's always a lovely Dutch stall at our Christmas market which lets you try free samples of the speculaas biscuits. The biscuits are great but the name always makes me think of "speculum".

Sorry, that's completely irrelevant!

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 Post subject: Re: A new Chalet School Recipe Book
PostPosted: 08 Jul 2011, 10:19 
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tiffinata wrote:
Sounds a lot like Dutch Spekkulaa spices.


There's always a lovely Dutch stall at our Christmas market which lets you try free samples of the speculaas biscuits.


Ah - so I'd use the same spices for the dutch biscuits. Where are they? In which book, I mean?


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PostPosted: 08 Jul 2011, 14:48 
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julieanne1811 wrote:
Alison H wrote:
tiffinata wrote:
Sounds a lot like Dutch Spekkulaa spices.


There's always a lovely Dutch stall at our Christmas market which lets you try free samples of the speculaas biscuits.


Ah - so I'd use the same spices for the dutch biscuits. Where are they? In which book, I mean?


They are mentioned in Lintons:

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‘I can make Kappjes,’ said Lilli van Goeschen, a pretty compatriot of Lysbet’s. ‘Koekjes also.’

‘Your cakes have such weird names,’ objected Evadne, who was sitting on the table munching her wafers as if she had had nothing to eat for days. Lilli laughed.

‘Not at all. “Koekjes” are the same as your “cookies” that I have heard you talk about. Our men who founded New Amsterdam—what you call New York nowadays—took with them their wives, and they made Koekjes for their families. Then when the English came, the word became—became—’ she stopped.

‘Englished, I suppose you mean,’ said Evadne calmly. ‘I see! But if you come to that, I’ve made cookies too—at least,’ she added honestly, ‘I’ve had a shot at them.’

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 Post subject: Re: A new Chalet School Recipe Book
PostPosted: 30 Jul 2011, 19:12 
Dawn has done a brilliant - fantastic job listing foods from Jane, Trick and Triplets. Thank you Dawn, so, so, so much!

I still need the foods from:
Princess
Exploits
New House
Mary-Lou
Lavender
Island
Barbara
Trials
Theodora

Ideally, from Chambers' books because they're not abridged. Can anyone help me with these? If you feel you could face tackling such a job I can email you the spreadsheet so you could just fill it all in ...

If you could help, please pm me. Thank you!


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 Post subject: Re: A new Chalet School Recipe Book
PostPosted: 01 Sep 2011, 10:11 
This week I'm doing a little (full-time) job in the village. My cousin (his father was my father's twin brother (non-identical))'s family firm (builders) just needs someone to answer phones and do filing. There's really little to do (but I'm being paid, so who cares?), and I've got hours to fill ... so this book is really coming on now!! If I was at home I'd keep thinking of things that need doing, like the hoovering, or the weeding. But here I have no distrctions, apart from the things I'm being paid to do, and I hope to see a big chunk done by the time I finish!


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PostPosted: 12 Feb 2012, 14:26 
A quick note - I have finally located a blog-site I can use easily!!! I need to upload photos, but here's the blog so far: http://julieanne1811.blog.co.uk/2012/02/12/so-if-you-have-ever-read-the-chalet-school-12764439/

No. It's deleted the whole thing. It's taken me about 3 hours this afternoon.

I give up. No blogs ever again.


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 Post subject: Re: A new Chalet School Recipe Book
PostPosted: 23 Feb 2012, 21:38 
Raymond Blanc is tasting a Kuglehopf on BBC2 at the moment. Apparently it's better slightly stale. And I didn't know that you should slice it diagonally along the ridges.

They are going into raptures about it, but tastes ratehr bland and boring to me ... they're making it with dough that's almost bread-like in texture, and have put rum into the dried fruit. They also speard jam on the slices, which would at least give it some flavour.

Ooh - interesting - someoneorother in history thought it 'a little dry' (he was being polite in my opinion!) and rectified this by basting it with a syrup made with his favourite alcohol. And so you have Rhum Babas! Now if Elinor's Kuglehopf was really Rhum Baba, I can see why there was so much enthusiasm for them ... :wink: !


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 Post subject: Re: A new Chalet School Recipe Book
PostPosted: 10 Apr 2012, 21:06 
Sorry to spree, but if I just edit people might miss this. I am watching the Hairy Bikers Bakeation. Tonight they're in Austria - what bliss!

Most of the time thye've been in flat parts, Vienna and Saltzberg. But they've also been to Linz, where there were CS mountains. The met with an elderly chap who keeps alive traditionala ways of living as a herdsman. He had built a traditional herdsman's hut and it was so different than I had imagined. I had thought of them as square chalet-type buildings, but this one was the shape of a capital A, very high and narrow. It had an open fire in the middle on a raised platform and a sleeping stage at one end, also raised off of the ground.

It wasn't particularly water-proff, since it was possible to see bits of shy through gaps in the roof covering. I suppose that they'd only be used in the summer months, so it wasn;t so important to water-proof?

They also visited a monastary where they cooked and ate Kipferl, which is brioche-like bread, made with lots of oil in the mix. I had thought Kipferl was mentioned in the CS books, but I can't find it, which is a pity. Do any of you know if it is mentioned anywhere? And if it is, can you let me know, please? Book, publisher and page would be helpful, too.

They also made Guglehopf They used the G instead of the K), but poured chocolate over the top and added nuts on top of that. I've made a Guglehopf and won't bother again. Even chocolate and nuts won't make it worht making again.

As they rode their bikes into Alpine regions they passed turquoise lakes surrounded by steep mountains it made me so glad that Elinor had had that hoilday in Austria. If she hadn't the books might well have been written at all, and she's so brilliant at describing the country in a way that takes the reader there. Even if a reader has never seen Austria before, I think that they'd have a pretty secure idea of what it is like in reality.

The programme, being about baking, focussed on Austrian patisserie - and oh my goodness! By the end I was feeling rather ... bilious. It's possible to have too much of a good thing in this respect!

But it was super in the way it showed all kinds of Austrian baking, from high-end Sachertorte baking to making an Apfelstrudel in a home. Stretching that pastry so fine, rolling it in a cloth and spilling it upsidedown onto a tray to cook.


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I was wondering myself if Kipferl was mentioned in the books and I couldnt find any mention yet..

Julieanne - apart from gugelhopf did you make the other recipes in Bakeation or had you already tried them for the New CS Recipe book?

Kipferl looks a lot like cardamom bread we would make in scandi countries...

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I was wondering myself if Kipferl was mentioned in the books and I couldnt find any mention yet..

Julieanne - apart from gugelhopf did you make the other recipes in Bakeation or had you already tried them for the New CS Recipe book?

Kipferl looks a lot like cardamom bread we would make in scandi countries...

Depends on what sort of kipferl you are making - the ones I know from Austria are the vanilla ones you make for Christmas which are nothing like the cardamom bread.

Bretzeln on the other hand.......I think in some regions the names may be interchangeable which would account for what those Hairy Horrors (sorry! :roll: ) were baking and eating.

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They made pretzels (sorry, I know the German spelling of the word is with a b but that confuses me!) the week before, in Germany, at a bakery owned by Jurgen Klinsmann's brother :D . They were the hard pretzels which are the same sort of texture as bagels, whereas the kipferls they made were more like croissants.

I spend way too much time thinking about food :( .

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I was wondering myself if Kipferl was mentioned in the books and I couldnt find any mention yet..

Julieanne - apart from gugelhopf did you make the other recipes in Bakeation or had you already tried them for the New CS Recipe book?

Kipferl looks a lot like cardamom bread we would make in scandi countries...

Depends on what sort of kipferl you are making - the ones I know from Austria are the vanilla ones you make for Christmas which are nothing like the cardamom bread.


Just checked my swedish baking book, theres millions of variations ( well about 20!) on the basic dough recipe that was used in the monastery when they made the kipferln. Some recipes would add cardamom to the dough mix and then plait and shape the dough - Flätor, or Fyrfläta.

Maybe its the same basic recipe that varies around Europe? I dont know. I know a lot of Finnish recipes that are very similar to the East Europe dishes ( cabbage rolls etc )

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PostPosted: 19 Apr 2012, 13:28 
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Julieanne - apart from gugelhopf did you make the other recipes in Bakeation or had you already tried them for the New CS Recipe book?


I've made jam tart (Two Sams) and chocolate cake (Oberland), which are the only two they made that are mentioned in the CS books. It would be lovely to have a TV programme like this but which did the CS food, wouldn't it? I know that's what I'm trying to do in my book, linked to the time and place where they're talked of, but it woudl be soooo nice to see it on TV too.

Somehow, though, I can't see the BBC playing to this one!


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