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 Post subject: EBD and the Oberland
PostPosted: 06 Aug 2019, 21:19 
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I recently visited Interlaken and the Jungfrau ... am I right in thinking that, as far as we know, EBD never actually went to Switzerland herself? ISTR reading that there are no records of her having renewed her passport after her visit to Pertisau.

It makes a lot of sense that she wanted to move the school back to the Alps, to restore its position as something different, as opposed to Malory Towers, St Clare's and all the other fictional schools that were popular at the time. And I can quite see that the fact that the political situation in Austria wasn't settled until 1953, unease about what had happened in Austria during the Nazi period and concerns about possible trouble in Central Europe due to the Cold War made neutral Switzerland seem like a good bet. But I wonder why she didn't go there herself ... she would presumably have been able to afford it by then. It seems a shame that she missed seeing the places she wrote about.

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 Post subject: Re: EBD and the Oberland
PostPosted: 06 Aug 2019, 21:47 
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I don't think she ever did go there, no evidence seems to have been turned up that might indicate she did. Might all be from guide books, though possibly she had friends who had been and told her about the place.


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 Post subject: Re: EBD and the Oberland
PostPosted: 07 Aug 2019, 00:14 
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No, I've never seen any evidence that she visited Switzerland, though at least some of the expeditions read as though she was describing something she'd seen. By the 1950s of course, there were not only guide books, but a possibility that her friends and acquaintances might have had cine film from a holiday, or that she might have seen films set in, or documentaries about, Switzerland. Only slightly to my surprise, Wikipedia actually has a page for this here - yes, some are too recent, of course, but there are some that are pre-war.

The thing that astonished me slightly was her picking on a location in a German-speaking canton when neither she nor many of her readership spoke or even read German...


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It is a pity that she was unable to visit Switzerland and I'm sure she could have afforded it. I think EBD was of the time when ladies would not travel alone and if she had no like-minded friends then continental travel was unlikely. Also, I would imagine that EBD needed company and like Joey could not function without it.


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According to her biography she didn't visit Switzerland, except for passing through Basel. I agree that she probably had friends who reported back as certain passages sound very fresh. However there are lots of instances where she has obviously read a guidebook.
Thanks for the Wikipedia link, Noreen. I'll have fun looking at some of them WHEN I HAVE TIME.
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The thing that astonished me slightly was her picking on a location in a German-speaking canton when neither she nor many of her readership spoke or even read German...

Possibly because she had friends who had reported back? Interlaken has always been a tourist base. Also, apart from the Valais, the Oberland also has the highest mountains. Interestingly she does give French names to some of her invented place names . Ste. C├ęcilie, the Auberge etc.

I was also in Interlaken in June, Alison. I was staying in the Hoheweg with the famous view of the Jungfrau. Unfortunately we had three days of rain which meant that I didn't investigate as much as I would have liked and the view was non-existent on those days too.


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PostPosted: 15 Aug 2019, 23:00 
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I have just seen this. Did you go on the railway to the Jungfrau, Alison? I did that many years ago and loved it.

I also read she had never visited Switzerland. That her passport was never renewed after a certain point.


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I did, yes, and we were lucky enough to have a nice sunny day, so it was lovely.

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 Post subject: Re: EBD and the Oberland
PostPosted: 16 Aug 2019, 11:28 
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The Swiss expeditions do certainly read like guide books - and there's a noticeable tendency for the mistresses to have visited the place before and subsequently sound like your guides.


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Alison H wrote:
I did, yes, and we were lucky enough to have a nice sunny day, so it was lovely.

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 Post subject: Re: EBD and the Oberland
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I never thought it was strange that the escort mistresses had been there previously. I always assumed that they had a certain amount of say in where they took the classes for half term, and would choose places where they had previously visited and enjoyed.

The guide book aspect never really struck me. Maybe because whenever we went anywhere I would immerse myself in the guidebook and then pass it on to anyone who would listen, so that was how I always saw new places.

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