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 Post subject: Re: Tuck boxes - or lack of
PostPosted: 10 Nov 2018, 10:25 
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I don't think EBD knew anything the metric system and indeed why should she have?

We began to go metric in the UK in the mid sixties and yet I am still surrounded by people who look at me blankly if I say I have lost 12kg or processed 10kg of plums into jam and chutney....
Fair point, but I'm not sure that she understood weights that much, even imperial ones. Isn't it Nancy Wilmot who I seem to remember is not short and weighs ten stone (about 63.5 kg) and is always referred to as plump, if not stout?

It's quite likely that Elinor didn't really understand about carrying weights, either, as people in CS books often seem to carry vast amounts - but then I don't suppose she ever did much of that herself. In her day groceries and other foods were delivered to middle class households, and their laundry was done by outside firms or by their own domestic staff - no lugging heavy bags of shopping or baskets of wet washing about for the family. And I'm always struck that when Biddy O'Ryan takes Va to Geneva in Genius, all the girls' souvenir shopping (OK, mainly small items like perfume and knicknacks, but including a 3lb [1.36 kg] box of chocolates and some other smaller boxes and packets of chocs) goes in one bag which Lesley Malcolm volunteers to carry throughout all the subsequent sightseeing!


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:lol: :lol: - about 50 average-sized chocolate bars each, if I've worked that out right! There's somewhere else where the girls are weighing about bags of sweets for the Sale, and another scene in which Matron's making jam, and the quantities are just enormous. I don't think weights and measures were EBD's strong point. Or maybe Elizabeth and Betty were just very greedy!

Average choc bar nowadays 100g. 10 X 100g = 1000g / 1kg per person. Yes, perhaps Betty and Elizabeth had used the trip to stock up chocolate for the rest of the term! Alternatively, as others have suggested, EBD really didn't understand the metric system. Actually I don't think she understood weight at all if you think of Nancy Wilmott being tall and plump at 10 stone or Bruno weighing fourteen stone and two ounces. I'm sure my dog wouldn't stay still long enough for the scales to be that accurate!


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Isn't there somewhere that EBD has sweets being weighed up into 5 gram bags?

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There's certainly a bit in Prefects where they're bagging up sweets for he Sale and Con says: "Weigh them out in grammes and half grammes" - though I always took that to mean in multiples of grams, with half grams allowed because it's hard to be precise with hand-made sweets. But it's a bit mad because she doesn't suggest quantities!


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Ah I read the opening post as 'one' referring to a pot of jam but I see now it referred to 'tuck box'.


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Noreen wrote:
There's certainly a bit in Prefects where they're bagging up sweets for he Sale and Con says: "Weigh them out in grammes and half grammes" - though I always took that to mean in multiples of grams, with half grams allowed because it's hard to be precise with hand-made sweets. But it's a bit mad because she doesn't suggest quantities!


That's what I was remembering! :lol:

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Noreen wrote:
There's certainly a bit in Prefects where they're bagging up sweets for he Sale and Con says: "Weigh them out in grammes and half grammes" - though I always took that to mean in multiples of grams, with half grams allowed because it's hard to be precise with hand-made sweets. But it's a bit mad because she doesn't suggest quantities!


How accurate would kitchen scales be at that time? I don't think they would be weighing sweets with scientific scales.

I think the gramme/half-gramme issue is another piece of evidence that EBD didn't understand metric. She was probably thinking of pound and half-pound. Although Prefects may have been completed by somebody else, so perhaps EBD shouldn't be blamed for this error.

On another issue, how did Bruno get weighed for the competition? There wouldn't be animal scales within easy reach.


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How accurate would kitchen scales be at that time? I don't think they would be weighing sweets with scientific scales...

On another issue, how did Bruno get weighed for the competition? There wouldn't be animal scales within easy reach.
I don't know how accurate Swiss kitchen scales were at that point, but I would think they were good, even if they were not the digital ones we're used to now; there were electronic and sprung scales available, but apparently basic balance scales (two pans/plates and a set of standardised weights) are considered very accurate still, even for scientific work.

As for Bruno, if there was no vet on the Platz (again, we don't know one way or the other), he would probably have been weighed on a set of clinical scales for humans, whether Matey's or at the San. You do at least stand a chance of getting a dog to sit still, unlike a cat! :D


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Noreen wrote:
bythebrook wrote:

On another issue, how did Bruno get weighed for the competition? There wouldn't be animal scales within easy reach.

As for Bruno, if there was no vet on the Platz (again, we don't know one way or the other), he would probably have been weighed on a set of clinical scales for humans, whether Matey's or at the San. You do at least stand a chance of getting a dog to sit still, unlike a cat! :D

I have experience of trying to weigh a Newfoundland on human scales. All I can say is - don't even attempt it if you want some sort of accurate reading!

Great umbrage was taken at the mere idea that he might sit on that ridiculous little platform.....

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When I use to go to camp years ago, I use to "smuggle" in stuff: breadsticks, chips, candy, gum and one year my walkman with extra batteries.

I knew one who girl smuggled in two packs of cigerettes and use to smoke them when she went canoeing or boating.


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cestina wrote:
I have experience of trying to weigh a Newfoundland on human scales. All I can say is - don't even attempt it if you want some sort of accurate reading!

Great umbrage was taken at the mere idea that he might sit on that ridiculous little platform.....
I can just imagine! Well, I did only say you stood a chance - and your Newfoundland will have been intelligent, whereas I always get the impression that Bruno is as daft as brush. A cartoon dog, in fact!


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I assume that the San would have scales for patients who couldn't easily stand up (In Rescue Phoebe is being weighed regularly because she mentions how much weight she has gained since being moved to the Welsh San).

But using them for Bruno wouldn't be very hygienic - even in Reunion he is kept on a cart at the same height as the verandah and not allowed into the San.

Especially as he isn't even being weighed for a medical reason, just for a competition.


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Remember when Con Maynard told some people to measure out toffee into half-gram bags?

That really is paying through the nose!

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cestina wrote:
I don't think EBD knew anything the metric system and indeed why should she have?

We began to go metric in the UK in the mid sixties and yet I am still surrounded by people who look at me blankly if I say I have lost 12kg or processed 10kg of plums into jam and chutney....


Okay, I know what a kilogram is and I am perfectly happy buying ready made-up goods weighed in this way but, still, when I go into the butchers I ask for my order in pounds/part pounds where weight has to be involved.

I have also, to this day, never heard the weight of a newborm baby being given as anything but pounds.

Daughter, on the other hand, cannot get over the awfulness of the non-metric system with its 12 pennies a shilling and 20 shillings a pound and 16 ounces to every pound and 14 pounds to a stone. Different times


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We always weigh babies in kilos (am a midwife) - just most parents ask for it to be converted as well - but many parents do know it in both. whenever I have to work out percentage weight losses I would have to convert to kilos to be able to work it out


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My grandchildren's weight was given to us both times in kilos. That was 10 and 15 years ago.

The one time that for me metric doesn't work is when working with dolls houses. Since most collectors' houses are 12th scale a 12 inch ruler is a necessity. I can remember the horror on the face of a young member of our dolls house group when she discovered that she was not allowed to work in millimetres or centimetres....

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Canada went metric just as I was entering school, so my education was all in metres/grams etc.

I think of height and weight of people in pounds and inches. Temperature wise, I'm totally Celsius (or Kelvin, depending on what you're measuring) except for baking, but have a vague idea for Fahrenheit for outdoor temperature. Cookbooks were always in cups, teaspoons and F. I can buy food in pounds, kilos,grams or 斤*, but am fuzzy on ounces. Distance wise I can think reasonable well in metres, yards, inches, cm, 尺 and 寸, and I can do speeds in km or miles/hour. Liquid measures in imperial give me problems. And I think of home sizes entirely in 坪.

*Taiwan has its own set of traditional measures which are neither imperial or metric, and are still in active use.

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I love driving in kilometres - they go by so much faster!

And one can do an accurate estimate (contradiction in terms?) of how long any journey will take.....

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Your school was very generous in terms of sweets, Cestina - mine, in the Junior House, allowed one 4 sweets per day out of one's tin. In the Senior houses, it was left to ourselves when or whether we ate sweets. I don't remember what we did about jam in the senior house - I know we were allowed to bring our own in the junior house, but could only have it at weekends, but I have no memory of it in the senior house at all. Probably we just ate the red-jam-with-wood-chips masquerading as raspberry and liked it!

My brother did have a tuck box - in fact, I believe he made his own in what he always referred to as "Car pantry", but we didn't have boxes as such. In the senior house we were occasionally allowed into town on Saturdays to go shopping, and we haunted McFisheries (which, despite its name, was a supermarket) and, later, the huge (all of 3 aisles) new Sainsbury's that opened - to my amusement, that one is still in the same place, and very little larger.... I used to buy cheese....


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