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 Post subject: Re: Drabble Subject Discussions - all welcome
PostPosted: 06 Feb 2012, 21:11 
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Another look at it - people tend to think that family might not work well together. Sarah and Tristan are both taken on as extra teachers, and usually live out of school, but I wonder whether nowadays that might be avoided, two people with a known close relationship both working in the same place. Only in terms of the assumption that if one has a family problem / illness they both will.

I've never kniwn there be a problem in schools, Beecharmer. SLOC and I know two couples where both partners work in the same school - and one of the husbands is the head. They don't seem to have any difficulties.

I don't see Hilda and Nell in a relationship, just very close friends with a very real love for each other - what May Sarton would call 'une amitié amoureuse' (a loving friendship, but with something romantic about it). I do have Nancy and Kathy in a relationship in ND and actually have Hilda approve - but I fear in real life, if she had known about, it she would have had to do something because her own job would have been in jeopardy. Unfortunately, these things do so easily slip out.

Night attire? Silk nightie for Hilda. I can see Nell in flannel pjs in winter, being the practical girl she is. :D Definitely a crisp cotton sort of person, though, so maybe shortie nightie or cotton pjs in summer. :roll:

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PostPosted: 06 Feb 2012, 21:48 
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Nice to see you here too Mary :-)

Thats interresting about the relationship in the school. Difficult with one part of the couple n a position of authority !

I am now giggling madly at Joey's cucumber sandwich comment !!!

Will prob write more but my food is ready

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PostPosted: 06 Feb 2012, 22:16 
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at a later date I might have something sensible to add to the discussion but right now my brain's overheating somewhat at the thought of Nell Wilson's pyjamas...


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Night attire? Silk nightie for Hilda. I can see Nell in flannel pjs in winter, being the practical girl she is. :D Definitely a crisp cotton sort of person, though, so maybe shortie nightie or cotton pjs in summer. :roll:


I agree with you on the nightwear, Mary and also on Hilda and Nell's relationship.


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PostPosted: 06 Feb 2012, 22:29 
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at a later date I might have something sensible to add to the discussion but right now my brain's overheating somewhat at the thought of Nell Wilson's pyjamas...


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Right. I have food in me and am less likely to go too off topic.

I can see that with the romantic friendship idea - with any of them, even Nancy and Kathy. Even though I tend to chose to have them as acknowledged couples myself.

Nell's expression of her feelings when Hilda is hurt in Gay At the CS is a really moving scene, whether they are a couple or not physically, they are clearly a partnership.

It's interesting specifically silk nightie Mary - actually that does fit with my own feeling, perhaps because of things like the kimono she wears in one of the books. The practicality of Nell's attire also makes senMse.

Damn you jayj now I can't stop thinking about Nell's pajamas either ...

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PostPosted: 06 Feb 2012, 22:35 
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Damn you jayj now I can't stop thinking about Nell's pajamas either ...


maybe you could distract yourself with thoughts of Nancy's muppet pyjamas instead


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PostPosted: 06 Feb 2012, 23:43 
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Lol. No ta, Nell's will do ;-)

Another thought that I just had to float as a topic of discussion was the way that changes in drabbles might lead to differences in the likely actions and attitudes of characters compared to the canon.

For example -

Joey in Emma's Belsornia drabble has experienced having to behave in a more restrained way, and has also had to experience serious loss. Vick's Joey has experienced a very restrictive illness. My Alternative Joey has been out in the world by herself and also missed certain key events in the original Joey's life. They might each cope with things in a different way.

Those Joeys might be less childish and inclined to overenthusiasms when it comes to later parts of their lives.

In the same way, Hilda in New Dreams has experienced the loss of Nell, and perhaps would react differently to other versions of Hilda.

One of the things that I thought this drabble discussion might differ from some of the other discussion threads is the fact that we can discuss things in terms of different versions of the characters.

Bizarrely enough I see Nell in Nancy Oberland and Kathy FileSpace as likely to wear pajamas, but other drabbles I see her as practical nightdress.

Another thing to suggest is that if authors / readers want to talk about original characters in their drabbles they should feel able to here?

I also thought I'd better clarify what I meant in the guideline about not just coming on to talk about your own drabbles. I really just meant not to turn up and ask people to read or only posting to talk about your own characters out of context to the discussion. I don't think many people would do that anyway.

But comments relevant to the current topic but saying "My version of Joey/Nell/Hilda etc would be likely to see it this way" would be interesting, I think. Both for readers and authors to think about how changing one or two points in the canon might alter other things later on.

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Thats interresting about the relationship in the school. Difficult with one part of the couple n a position of authority !

Though that's what you get with Nancy and Kathie, with Nancy as Head of Dept and Head of House - and then as temporary headmistress in Challenge.

And, if you're reading Hilda and Nell as a couple, you get that for a while before Nell gets made up to joint Head.

Didn't someone (Lesley?) write a drabble about Nell's feelings about being passed over for senior mistress or headmistress (can't quite remember which - senior mistress, I think) in favour of Hilda? If they had been a couple, that would have been a very awkward situation for them.


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That's true, it might have been quite difficult when the school was young and the mistresses were much the same levels of experience. In a way, Hilda is often described as being gentle while firm, which is like Madge, and Mademoiselle, so it makes sense in a way that Hilda would be chosen over Nell. But it would be hard for the one left behind.

It must have led to a few points where Nancy had to make decisions that affected Kathy's future, and that would have been a hard one. As Eleanore has covered with the fact of Nancy doing Kathy's report as her head of year. (I know that's not why you've written that, it just brought it to my mind as an example!)

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As Eleanore has covered with the fact of Nancy doing Kathy's report as her head of year.

Before anyone wonders why they haven't seen that one, it's not finished or posted anywhere yet, but Beecharmer got a preview of the first draft of the first section!

Is this the first official 'coming soon' trailer for this thread? :mrgreen:


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Oh no!!!! Eleanore I'm so sorry !!

*Hides head in shame*

That's why I couldn't remember which one it was in!

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*giggles*

You never know - now you've outed it, that drabble might actually get finished!


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Oooh. Perhaps this is a good thing then...

* searches brain for other unfinished drabbles I can out ... *

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I wouldn't do that, if I were you - once the whole list gets out, then nothing has priority any more, so there's no longer any urgency for me to finish any of it! :mrgreen:


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*backtracks quickly*

Ok!

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I've just found this thread - brilliant idea!

Hope it's ok (sorry, slang, gave myself an order mark) acceptable to ask for some help.

I'm not familiar with the Armishire books and I wonder roughly how far in either distance or time Plas Gwyn was from Armiford? It would help with the plot for 4.50.........

Any help appreciated and hope it's not too far OT to get me sent to Miss Annersley :)


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I don't think the books say, but the village of Peterchurch, thought to be "Howells Village", is about 13 miles from Hereford by road (and about 10 miles as the crow flies).

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Many thanks for your help, Alison.


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Was just going to log in and say sorry don't know, but maybe someone will in Joey's Trunk, but looks like you have an answer.

Another thought was discussions about what works / doesn't work for drabble authors. For example I use my phone a lot, and now find I can rarely think of things to write when typing on laptop and even more rarely when writing on paper, but I get the impression that a lot of other people are more comfortable writing then typing up and editing. Others type straight into computer.

Also I find that some 'original' characters just appear and almost write themselves, whereas others just won't play - interestingly the characters who are hardest to name are hardest to write. Admittedly a lot of mine are second generation adventurers, so I would guess that I am perhaps taking bits of their parents' characteristics and amending them, although not intentionally !

What do other people find harder - writing your own characters, which is harder to start perhaps but then you are less restricted by the canon, or having to be aware of an EBD character's traits and history?

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I find that using my own characters is easier as I'm not restricted, and I often feel I might not get a character right when righting them, even though how characters are perceived is different for every person, and what they might/might not do. Often I just stick a name to a character and leave them to go their own way, rather than try to write them a certain way, although I have done that as well. I don't usually find it hard to start a character for myself.

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