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PostPosted: 03 Sep 2020, 12:50 
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Daughter and I are trying to identify two books, one she has read, one I have. We both only have recollections of one scene in each....

Hers is about an older sister or cousin who is planning to run off with a man and someone raises the cockerel's perch so he can't stretch to crow in the early morning and so she doesn't wake up and so misses her chance of running off....

Mine is about a woman who needs to get rid of some unwelcome visitors so enlists the help of some undesirable distant members of the family to achieve this. She sets them up in an attic, or barn or something, children and all, living like animals among straw and pretending that they are mad (straws in the hair, gobbling noises etc)

She shows them to the unwelcome visitors and they leave hastily.

I could of course have the details wrong! Has anyone any ideas at all?

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PostPosted: 03 Sep 2020, 22:27 
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Can't help with the second one, cestina, but in connection with the first, there was an episode of "Aunt Isobel Rose Remembers" in Princess comic/ annual where she related that she'd stopped her elder sister (I think) from eloping with a soldier (Wilfred?) by dint of raising the cockerel's perch as you describe. I'll try to find it and get back to you - though of course it may not be the only version.
ETA: Yes "Aunt Isobel Rose Remembers the Story of the Big Red Rooster" in Princess annual 1960, and it was her sister Celia who wanted to run off with the rotter Wilfred. What I hadn't noticed before is that although the word rooster is used in the title, the bird is otherwise referred to as 'the cock', which is a more UK English word. I wonder if there was an American original?


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Oh well done Noreen! As soon as Butterfly saw the words "Isobel Rose remembers..." she in her turn remembered. She used to buy lots of old annuals at jumble sales and this was indeed one of them. What are the chances of you being able to put your finger on it?

She thinks we no longer have it; I am not so sure. We shall see when we start going through some of the stuff still in storage (after seven years :( )

As far as mine goes, the name of Angela Thirkell keeps floating into my mind but since I have read every single book she wrote I don't fancy ploughing through them again! Especially as I think it's a false connection....

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I asked a friend who has read most of Thirkell but doesn't recognise it. However, she suggested maybe P G Wodehouse?


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ivohenry wrote:
I asked a friend who has read most of Thirkell but doesn't recognise it. However, she suggested maybe P G Wodehouse?


I've read most of Wodehouse and don't recognise it!


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There are several sites where you can post all you remember about a book and see if someone recognises it, here are a couple -

http://forums.abebooks.com/discussions/ ... esleuthcom

http://www.loganberrybooks.com/stumpthebookseller/


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Thanks ivohenry, I was just going to look a couple up. Will post and report back.

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I copied urls but looks as though ABE might not be complete, if it doesn't work, google ABE Booksleuth and you should get it


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No it's fine, have already posted on there... :)

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cestina wrote:
As soon as Butterfly saw the words "Isobel Rose remembers..." she in her turn remembered. She used to buy lots of old annuals at jumble sales and this was indeed one of them. What are the chances of you being able to put your finger on it?

She thinks we no longer have it; I am not so sure. We shall see when we start going through some of the stuff still in storage (after seven years :( )
I did indeed put my hand on it, and Keith is happy to scan the story so that I can send it to you for Butterfly; he also has to copy a Fred Bassett pattern for a neighbour of ours!


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Noreen wrote:
I did indeed put my hand on it, and Keith is happy to scan the story so that I can send it to you for Butterfly; he also has to copy a Fred Bassett pattern for a neighbour of ours!

Oh that would be great - I will surprise her with it, thank you Keith :D

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Thanks have been relayed to K, and I have e-mailed the scan to you. Hope it arrives safely - when K sent it to me it got treated as spam!


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It arrived safely and as you probably already know via email Butterfly is a happy bunny! Many thanks to both of you :D

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A pleasure! Yes, I went on to check my e-mail and found Butterfly's response. I do hope that somebody can get to the bottom of your query, too - I've certainly had no luck with it


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I think I know the second one! I think that scene happens near the end of Eva Ibbotson's The Secret Countess/ The Countess Below Stairs.

Is there any chance that's the book you are thinking of?

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brie wrote:
I think I know the second one! I think that scene happens near the end of Eva Ibbotson's The Secret Countess/ The Countess Below Stairs.

Is there any chance that's the book you are thinking of?
Oh Brie well done! Indeed it is. I don't have a copy to hand but have just checked the synopsis on wiki and the set-up to the scene is described. I was wrong about who organised it though.

I'm surprised my daughter didn't recognise it - she is as enamoured of Ibbotson as I am.

Kudos to you - and Noreen for the other one. :D

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Well done, Brie - it meant absolutely nothing to me, I'm afraid.


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It was more luck than anything. I've really been rediscovering Ibbotson this year, and I read this fairly recently. Glad I solved it though!

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