St Scholastikas
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#1: St Scholastikas Author: Nicci, Location: UK PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:39 am

When I read Tyrol, I noticed that they seemed to have trouble cramming the Maynards and Richardsons into Die Blumen (or is it Die Rosen?). Anyway, by the end of the book they're all sleeping about ten to a room (ok, slight exaggeration) but this is supposed to be an ex-boarding school. Did they chop a floor off or somethiing?

Please somebody help me, as I'm using the building in a drabble.

 

#2:  Author: Lynsey, Location: Fife PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:38 am

As it was an ex-boarding school they would have slept 6-8 in a room
(i think!)
And also maybe a few of the rooms were unusable or Joey didn't want to have to turn a room that used to be a common room into a bedroom or something?
Or it was made into 2 houses and joey only had one of them

 

#3:  Author: Nicci, Location: UK PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:18 am

Lynsey wrote:

Or it was made into 2 houses and joey only had one of them



Yes, I've been wondering that. There's something in Tyrol which almost suggests that aswell.

 

#4:  Author: Ally, Location: Jack Maynard's Dressing Room!! PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:29 am

It does seem to get very small. I often wondered how Herr Helfen (?) could have lived their on his own. And Joey seems to build a huge extention. They never seem to have problems with planning permission in the books Wink

Oh and I just remembered the Die Rosen/Blumen thing was the first EBDism I ever spotted. Die Rosen starts its life as Die Blumen!!

 

#5:  Author: Nicci, Location: UK PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:34 am

Ally wrote:

Oh and I just remembered the Die Rosen/Blumen thing was the first EBDism I ever spotted. Die Rosen starts its life as Die Blumen!!


So that's why I've always been confused...

perhaps not the reason, but its nice to have someone to blame for a change! Rolling Eyes

 

#6:  Author: Ally, Location: Jack Maynard's Dressing Room!! PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:35 am

*Huggles Nicci*

Yep that one is all EBD!!!

 

#7:  Author: Liss, Location: Harrow, London PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:09 pm

Die Rosen and Die Blumen are different, aren't they? I thought Die Rosen was the original home that Jem and Madge had at the Sonnalpe, and Die Blumen was what they named the St Scholastika building when they bought it as a summer home.

 

#8:  Author: Nicci, Location: UK PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:12 pm

*now completely confuzzled*

 

#9:  Author: Liss, Location: Harrow, London PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:13 pm

In the later Tyrol books, Madge and Jem had two houses: one up at the Sonnalpe and one down by the Tiernsee.

 

#10:  Author: Nicci, Location: UK PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:15 pm

ie. the one by the annexe and the one described in New?

 

#11:  Author: Liss, Location: Harrow, London PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:18 pm

Indeedy. It's the one in *New* (Die Blumen, that was St Scholastika's) that Jack and Joey buy back when they return to the Tyrol later in the series.

 

#12:  Author: Nicci, Location: UK PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:31 pm

*blowing kisses*

ta Liss. Much appreciated. Don't suppose you can also cast some light on the size question?

 

#13:  Author: Liss, Location: Harrow, London PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:59 pm

*in a heavy Spanish accent*

I know nothing.

 

#14:  Author: Carolyn P, Location: Lancaster, England PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:09 pm

Liss wrote:
*in a heavy Spanish accent*

I know nothing.


somehting about that made me giggle. Maybe because i can imagine Liss acting it out.

 

#15:  Author: Jennie, Location: Cambridgeshire PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:26 pm

St. Scholastika's was a very much smaller school than the original CS.

Miss Brown had only thirty-five or so girls, so she wouldn't have needed as much room as the CS.

 

#16:  Author: Ally, Location: Jack Maynard's Dressing Room!! PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:37 pm

Die Rosen and Die Blumen end up different places, but EBD calls Die Rosen Die Blumen to begin with. She then obviously remembers the name later!!

*hope this clears up confusion*

 

#17:  Author: Kat, Location: Swansea PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:22 pm

EBD also mixes up Many Bushes and The Witchens. Pheobe lives in MB, and Jo, Marie, Simone and Freida stay in TW - but later in the series, EBD aways refers to them staying at MB... silly old woman! Wink

 

#18:  Author: claire, Location: SOUTH WALES PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:54 pm

I thought I read somewhere that a wing had been demolished off of Die Blumen (but may have made it up)

 

#19:  Author: Ellie, Location: Lincolnshire PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:58 am

I don't think you did Claire, I seem to remember reading that somewhere too.

 

#20:  Author: Lou, Location: Glasgow PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 1:08 pm

Just finished reading Joey & Co at the weekend. Joey definitely refers to some of the house being demolished. Not quoting exactly here but she wonders "why they couldn't just divide and let the other area separately". So methinks St Scholastika/Die Blumen was smaller than when it was a school or the Russells summer home.

 

#21:  Author: Sarah_L, Location: Redcar PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 1:40 pm

I'd always wondered about the size issue here.

 

#22:  Author: Susan, Location: Carlisle PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 3:44 pm

I thought I had read that about demolition somewhere too. I suppose if tourists were not going there after the war it may not have been needed for a hotel amd so it was decided to change it to a family house. Of course no one was expecting a family the size of Jo's or all tje adoptees and visitors.

 

#23:  Author: KB, Location: Melbourne, Australia PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:49 am

Jennie wrote:
Miss Brown had only thirty-five or so girls, so she wouldn't have needed as much room as the CS.


There were 'about forty' when the two schools merged in "New". There were also only seven mistresses and perhaps a cook and a maid or two.

 

#24:  Author: Nicci, Location: UK PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:20 pm

Thanks guys. this all helps loads.

 

#25:  Author: Sarah_L, Location: Redcar PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:42 am

Going back to the size of Miss Browne's school, how was it possible financially and practically to run a school for so few children?

 

#26:  Author: claire, Location: SOUTH WALES PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:20 pm

there seem to have several small private schools in those times so it obviously was possible, also depending on how much your fees were you could make a lot still

 

#27:  Author: Nicci, Location: UK PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:38 pm

Sarah_L wrote:
Going back to the size of Miss Browne's school, how was it possible financially and practically to run a school for so few children?


Wasn't something said at some point about the fawn having put all her own money into the school. She can't have been that rich, surely, so it must have only been a small school. Confused

 

#28:  Author: Ally, Location: Jack Maynard's Dressing Room!! PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:14 pm

It always seemed a fairly resonable size school to me, perhaps because the CS was not that large at the time, and so comparisons are not so obvious as between St Hildas and the CS at 400 pupils (or whatever)

It must have cost a bit to relocate as well, but then the reason why Madge chose Austria in the first place was that it would have been cheaper.

Braemar Hose, the school Monica Marillier went to only took 25 girls, so small schools were resonably common

 

#29:  Author: Jennie, Location: Cambridgeshire PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 10:59 am

Another point is that private schools could set their own salary scales, so could pay a smaller salary to the teachers, and deduct money for board and lodging.

 

#30:  Author: Donna, Location: Liverpool PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 10:17 pm

If you think about it, the Chalet School is always talking about how large they are at 150 pupils as well (at whatever point they are that size. Is it when they restart in Armiford?), implying that that is unusually big. I think EBD herself ran a fairly small school while it lasted.

 

#31:  Author: Ianswythe,  PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:40 pm

I think they hadn't furnished all the rooms either so that added to the need to double up.

 

#32:  Author: Jennie, Location: Cambridgeshire PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:14 pm

A lot of independent schools are smaller than the average state school. And the class sizes are smaller.

 

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