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#1: Head Girls Author: Annie,

Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:23 pm

Although it would be rather a tall order to ask for this anywhere else, I thought that as people round here have so many lists of everything imaginable to do with CS, perhaps someone would be kind enough to issue me with a list of all the head girls in the Chalet School (???????????) Please?

#2: Author: claire, Location: SOUTH WALES

Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:29 pm

On KBs list on dating the CS series in Inspire and Challenge it says the headgirl in each term

#3: Author: Kate, Location: Ireland

Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:34 pm

Gisela Marani
Juliet Carrick
Bette Rincini
Grizel Cochrane
Mary Burnett
Joey Bettany
Louise Redfield
Gillian Linton
Hilary Burn
Maria Marani
Cornelia Flower
Robin Humphries
Elizabeth Arnett
Mary Shand
Jesanne Gellibrand
Beth Chester
Gillian Culver
Jacynth Hardy
Peggy Bettany
Loveday Perowne
Bride Bettany
Julie Lucy
Betsy Lucy
Elinor Pennell
Mary-Lou Trelawney
Josette Russell
Maeve Bettany
Rosamund Lilley
Len Maynard
Jack Lambert

Daisy Venables is also mentioned in Peggy as being HG at some stage.

(I *think* my order is messed up in the middl somewhere...)

ETA: I didn't see Claire's post - KB's list is better, I'msure, I jiust did this off the top of my head!

#4: Author: Annie,

Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:47 pm

Woweeeeeeee! Thanks to both! Have just looked at KB's list in Inspirre and Challenge and that's great as well as yours, Kate. Thanks again!

#5: Author: claire, Location: SOUTH WALES

Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 9:16 pm

Ever notice the way that Loveday is made HG instead of Bride as they 'can't have two sisters being HG one after the other' then follow the Bettanys with the two Lucys?

#6: Author: caz, Location: Cambridge

Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 10:05 pm

Was that just because there was no-one else in Betsy's year who was enough of a leader to be HG, whereas in Bride's year there were four girls seriously considered, and in the end (as far as I remember) it came down to age? I always find it strange that Loveday never seems to be a leader in that group until she becomes HG - or is that just my selective memory?

#7: Author: Sarah_L, Location: Redcar

Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 10:22 pm

I always feel sorry for Loveday. She is basically told she's HG not because she's the best candidate for the job, but simply because she is the oldest.

#8: Author: KB, Location: Melbourne, Australia

Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 12:04 am

Beth has two terms as Head Girl (ie. Rosalie and the autumn term of 1944) and then Daisy Venables will take over for the spring and summer term of 1945. Marilyn Evans' time as HG comes between this and Three Go.

Also, the Lucys aren't related to the founders of the school. I never really questioned EBD's decision in that respect.

#9: Author: Sarah_L, Location: Redcar

Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 12:23 pm

They might not be related to the founders of the school, but they're best friends with the Maynards.

#10: Author: jackie green, Location: Rotherham

Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 4:15 pm

Sarah_L wrote:

They might not be related to the founders of the school, but they're best friends with the Maynards.

Isnt everyone.................eventually? ROFL

#11: Author: Cazx, Location: Swansea/Bristol

Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 4:59 pm

Looking at the list 14 of the headgirls are in some way or other closely connected to the Maynard/Russell/Bettany clan, and that's only the one's who are closely connected!
What I find really strange about the head girls is that at the beginning it's a fairly fair split of English and non English head girls but then after Tyrol virtually all the head girls are English, what's wrong with the other nationalities?

#12: Author: Donna, Location: Liverpool

Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 6:47 pm

I don't think the foreign girls ever made much of an impact once the school moved to England/Wales - I assume that EBD just got used to concentrating on the English girls because the war made it impossible to have many people of other nationalities, and carried it on, even when it moved to Switzerland.

As for the Bettanys and Lucys - I agree with KB - the big deal about it was because the Bettanys were related to Madge, and it would have looked like favouritism. The fact that the Lucys were friends of Jo wouldn't have mattered - Joey wasn't directly involved in the school at the time anyway - wasn't she in Canada then?

#13: Author: Annie,

Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 7:46 pm

*whistles* I didn't realise I was going to start a discussion. Anyway...

It's a bit obvious that there is favouritism in the school for Head Girls. For example, could you imagein the school choosing anyone else except Len to be HG from her form? What if there was someone else fit for the job? They would just have to put up with it because it obviously has to be one of Joey's daughters. Pity for everyone else, but I spose it was natural.

#14: Author: claire, Location: SOUTH WALES

Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 7:51 pm

In School at Madge says if any of the English girls were suitable then they would have been HG as she would rather have had an English HG

#15: Author: Ally, Location: Jack Maynard's Dressing Room!!

Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 9:01 pm

I always thought it was a shame that the English girls came to dominate the series in the Swiss books, though it was probably only natural after the war. However, in some of the later books some girls of other nationalities are beginning to have more prominance.

One way EBD countered Len's position was to have Jo Scott as form prefect for most of their way through school, though she was handily disposed of to let Len take over.

Does anyone fancy compiling a list of Second Prefects???

#16: Author: Cazx, Location: Swansea/Bristol

Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 9:50 pm

It's quite usual though for the girls who were regularly form prefects not to be head girl, eg Margia and Biddy, were both fairly consistent form prefects but never got to be actual head girls. There are more but I just can't think of them!

#17: Author: KB, Location: Melbourne, Australia

Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 10:41 pm

Ally wrote:

Does anyone fancy compiling a list of Second Prefects???

Sure.
Bernhilda Mensch
Bette Rincini
Rosalie Dene
Deira O'Hagan
Frieda Mensch
Paula von Rothenfels
Nicole de Saumarez
Mary Turner
Jacynth Hardy (at fifteen!!!)
Meg Farrant
Jacynth Hardy (again)
Kathie Robertson
Dickie Christie
Primrose Day
Valerie Arnett
Veronica Worsley
Jean Ackroyd
Leila Norris
Vi Lucy
Clare Kennedy
Anna Hoffmann
Ted Grantley

Cazx wrote:

Although in "Peggy", Miss Annersley said the following:
"You've been Form Prefect in every one of the forms you've been in for the last four years," Miss Annersley said swiftly. "I don't suppose you ever realised that that in itself is a training for prefectship; but it is."

#18: Author: Ally, Location: Jack Maynard's Dressing Room!!

Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 12:01 pm

OOhh thank you KB, I didn't think you could resist the challenge!!! Wink

Its strange though how some o the second pre's are relatively quite unknown!

#19: Author: Cazx, Location: Swansea/Bristol

Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 1:29 pm

I've never heard of Mary Turner and Anna Hoffman! Were they ever mentioned before becoming prefects?

#20: Author: KB, Location: Melbourne, Australia

Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 10:33 pm

Ally wrote:

OOhh thank you KB, I didn't think you could resist the challenge!!! Wink

Mary Turner's only mention was in "Rosalie", when she was Second Prefect. Anna Hoffmann was mentioned in "Feud" becore becoming Second Pree in "Leader".

#21: Author: Chickpea,

Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 11:12 pm

I wonder why EBD felt the need to create totally new and fairly non-descript characters to take the second pre role? Was there really no one else suitable or was it an EBDism?

#22: Author: Cazx, Location: Swansea/Bristol

Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 5:33 pm

I always think that Sybil got a raw deal not being second prefect, do we only hear of Leila Norris when she is second prefect?

#23: Author: claire, Location: SOUTH WALES

Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 7:24 pm

Maybe it was because the second pree had to be willing to take a step back behind the head girl, as opposed to a prefect like games who was most important in her field

#24: Author: Rachel, Location: Plotting in my lair

Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 8:11 pm

Since I'm re-reading "Head Girl of the CS" right now, and this thread is titled "Head Girls" it seems as good a place as any to post some random thoughts.

In this book, prefects duties are assigned by the HG, as they have always been done. It is notable because Deira is unhappy with the job allocated to her by Grizel.

In "Peggy", Eilunnedd makes a snidey comment about Peggy dishing out jobs when Peggy tells Whatsit that she has a specific job, and Peggy says no, they will be voting as usual.

When did the change come around from being assigned to voting?

#25: Author: Sarah_L, Location: Redcar

Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 8:44 pm

I think they vote for some duties in Joey's first term as HG. Library prefect certainly.

#26: Author: KB, Location: Melbourne, Australia

Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 12:33 am

I think the only reason Grizel handed out the jobs was because they had already been assigned the previous term (Visitors) and she was really only reinforcing those. However, considering what a fuss Deira made (about nothing, IMHO), I suspect it was reconsidered. And Peggy only offers the job because the Heads suggested it.

#27: Author: Annie,

Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 8:19 am

I sometimes find Grizel a bit disappointing in this book. Well, actually in all books. She is one of the few people that the CS doesn't manage to reform completely!

#28: Author: caz, Location: Cambridge

Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 10:10 am

I like her for that very reason. OK, she's not perfect, but she seems to be far more realistic than Stacie, for example, who completely changes her character because of an accident and a nickname! I think EBD portrays Grizel rather well; she does try to be decent at heart but has genuine flaws, like her temper.

#29: Author: Kate, Location: Ireland

Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 10:20 am

I agree that she's a well-drawn and realistic character, but I still don't like her. She just really annoys me and I don't think we'd get on in real life.

#30: Author: caz, Location: Cambridge

Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 10:24 am

To be fair, that's probably true for me as well.

#31: Author: claire, Location: SOUTH WALES

Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 9:42 pm

Annie wrote:

I sometimes find Grizel a bit disappointing in this book. Well, actually in all books. She is one of the few people that the CS doesn't manage to reform completely!

Have you got the HB cos the whole thing was much better (including Grizel's character in the unmassacred version (uncut is not strong enough)

#32: Author: Annie,

Posted: Tue May 18, 2004 9:06 pm

claire wrote:

Have you got the HB cos the whole thing was much better (including Grizel's character in the unmassacred version (uncut is not strong enough)

How interesting! No I don't actually, and I feel quite deprived. It's slightly annoying, but interesting, that the PBs are abridged- and they don't say so on the back! Well it's nice to know that EBD did write it well and not just annoyingly like I thought.

#33: Author: claire, Location: SOUTH WALES

Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 7:49 pm

The transcript is on Raya's site along with heaps of others (you have to join before you can access the library) it's worth reading - made a huge difference when I read the uncut version

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