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#1: Joan Baker Author: FatimaLocation: Sunny Qatar PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:51 am
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I know that Joan was a little older than the triplets, so I presume she left school before them. Can anyone tell me when she left, how old she was then and how much older than the trips she was, please? Thank you!

#2:  Author: KateLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:14 pm
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Wins the Trick is her last term and I think she's 17.

In Triplets, Rosamund says Joan's engaged and that she was 18 in November. The triplets are 16 in that book - also in November, so two years older almost exactly.

In Problem the triplets are "well on the way to thirteen" and Joan "is fourteen and will be fifteen at the end of November of this present year." Surprisingly accurate on EBD's part.

#3:  Author: FatimaLocation: Sunny Qatar PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:24 pm
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Thanks Kate. Is there any information about her fiance?

#4:  Author: KateLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:29 pm
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Not a lot. He is "a boy she met at her commercial college". This is the full quote. I find Con amusing in this... especially considering Len's engagement later on. Smile

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Besides, according to my sisters, girls are getting engaged and marrying years younger than they used to. By the way, did I tell you that I had a letter from Joan Baker yesterday, telling me that she's more or less engaged to a boy she met at her commercial college?
Not really? Rosamund Lilley! She can't be! Why, she only left school the term before last! Con's dark eyes were wide with amazement as she looked at Rosamund. She's just your age, isn't she?
Nearly a year older. I'm seventeen and Joan was eighteen last November. Not, added Rosamund as they reached the door of the Senior commonroom, that it may ever come to anything.
But there's always a chance that it may. Well, I think it's horrid! Con said with decision. I should hate it myself. I'd loathe being married and having to run a house before I was twenty.

#5:  Author: Alison HLocation: Manchester PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:31 pm
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He was somebody she met at college, IIRC, but I think that's all we're told.

I hope he was someone really nice - Joan deserved a break after the way EBD made her go through life at the CS with no real friends!

#6:  Author: LesleyLocation: Allhallows, Kent PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:05 pm
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What about Marie von Eschenau? Engaged before she left school, married not long after. Or her own mother - married at age 20! The double standars that EBD applies are strange - Joan Baker was just not allowed to have a nice life. Rolling Eyes

#7:  Author: MelLocation: UP NORTH PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:56 pm
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It could be Vic Coles - a reformed childhood sweetheart!

#8:  Author: KBLocation: Melbourne, Australia PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:04 am
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Lesley wrote:
What about Marie von Eschenau? Engaged before she left school, married not long after. Or her own mother - married at age 20! The double standars that EBD applies are strange - Joan Baker was just not allowed to have a nice life. Rolling Eyes


Ah, but Marie was European, which explains everything! Wink Think how often EBD harps on about the (Central) Europeans marrying young and having families early.

#9:  Author: MiaLocation: London PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:05 pm
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Mel wrote:
It could be Vic Coles - a reformed childhood sweetheart!


LOL I hope so!

*supresses small furry plotbunny*

#10:  Author: macyroseLocation: Great White North (Canada) PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:12 pm
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And don't forget Len. The second girl, along with Marie, to get engaged while she's still at school. I wonder, if EBD wasn't trying to wrap up the series, if she had thought that she still had a few more years ahead in which to write more CS books, if she would have had Len get engaged so early?

#11:  Author: KateLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:21 pm
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I've always wondered that, macyrose.

Also, I think it's to EBD's credit that Len intends to go to university despite being engaged, especially considering EBD's usual feelings on working after marriage.

#12:  Author: Cath V-PLocation: Newcastle NSW PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:06 am
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Like the casual dismissal of all Julie Lucy's ambitions once she marries that Housemaster? That always enraged me...

#13:  Author: TanLocation: London via Newcastle Australia PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:42 pm
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What book did that feature in Cath?

#14:  Author: CarysLocation: London PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:37 pm
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It's in either Joey and Co in Tyrol, or Future CS Girl, can't remember which. Joey's sharing news with the triplets and mentions Julie's engagement, one of the trips asks about her career as a barrister and Joey says something along the lines of, "Well obviously she'll pack that in now!"

#15:  Author: Alison HLocation: Manchester PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:27 pm
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It's in Future. First of all, Joey says what a good job it is that the fruit farmer Vanna Ozanne's marrying has "a good private income". Heaven forbid they should actually have to live on money they earned!! Then the mentions Julie's engagement.

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"Then what becomes of Julie's career as a barrister?" Con demanded.

"Oh, that's off. She won't have time as the wife of a housemaster. However, Janie says she's intensely happy, so she's all right."


At least Julie seems happy, but Joey's remarks are still very annoying!

#16:  Author: PatLocation: Doncaster PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:53 pm
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That was fairly normal in those days remember. In the early 70s you still had to hand in your notice when you got pregnant - no maternity leave then. So yes, it's annoying to us, but would have been accepted then - or at least be a lot more acceptable.

#17:  Author: CatherineSLocation: Smalltown, West of Scotland PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:56 pm
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I find it interesting that EBD uses the word 'demanded' with Con's question, though. It could suggest a bit of dissent in the ranks. Then again, on re-reading, it could also just be eager/voracious questioning because she was so curious.

#18:  Author: CatyLocation: New Zealand PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:27 am
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Interesting in both those quotes, that it's "quiet" Con who's speaking up against marrying too young.

#19:  Author: jenniferLocation: Taiwan PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:34 am
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When Julie gets married Joey specifically refers to the fact that she'll be too busy as the wife of a housemaster to be a barrister - even without kids.

In Vanna's case, I read it as the Ozanne girls having come from a well to do family and not having much sense of money. Vanna wouldn't have known how to budget or manage without the extra money coming in and a couple of servants.

#20:  Author: Loryat PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:33 pm
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Caty wrote:
Interesting in both those quotes, that it's "quiet" Con who's speaking up against marrying too young.

Yeah I noticed that! Maybe she had to hold her peace when it was her own sister...and, jennifer, I think you're right about Vanna.

#21:  Author: jenniferLocation: Taiwan PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:02 pm
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Caty wrote:
Interesting in both those quotes, that it's "quiet" Con who's speaking up against marrying too young.


And her reaction to Verity's marriage

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Con grimaced. " Rather her than me!" she said with vile grammar. " If ever I do marry, it won't be for another ten years at least."


It's ironic that Len is always lauded for being insightful about other people when many times it's Con who really has the gift for noticing how others are reacting and feeling. Possibly Con has noticed Reg's interest in Len before Len has and is uncomfortable with the idea that her sister is going to be snapped up into a marriage so soon.

I can see the trips ten years after graduation - Margot a nun, Len married with five children and settled next door to Freudshiem, and Con a successful journalist and author working her way through a string of boyfriends.

#22:  Author: LizBLocation: Oxon, England PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:56 pm
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jennifer wrote:
I can see the trips ten years after graduation - Margot a nun, Len married with five children and settled next door to Freudshiem, and Con a successful journalist and author working her way through a string of boyfriends.


Please drabble it! *smiles sweetly*

#23:  Author: aitchemelleLocation: West Sussex PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:19 am
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GO on drabble it! I would love to but cannot bare the idea of another half finished drabble kicking about!!



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