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The flames that burn on, part I
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Author:  Alison H [ 14 Feb 2009, 09:27 ]
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I've been messing with this for ages and thought I'd bite the bullet and finally post the first bit of it :roll: !

Soeur Marie-Cécile, or Robin Humphries as she was still known to many, had been waiting for this moment all day. Well, ever since the post had arrived, anyway. She smiled in wry amusement. Approaching middle age by some people’s standards if not her own, over fourteen years spent at La Sagesse, and she still awaited the arrival of the post as eagerly as she’d done when she’d been an eighteen-year-old in her first few weeks at Oxford.

She thought back to those days, and how excited she’d be when she saw that there were letters for her. “Oh look, it’s from Joey!” she’d cry. Or “It’s from Madge!” or “It’s from Daisy!”. Those around her, curious about their new college-mates, would smile at her animation and ask whom all these people were. And she’d try to explain. “Joey’s my sister. Well, sort of. And Madge is Joey’s sister, but she’s more like an auntie to me. Sort of. And Daisy … well, she’s like a cousin. Well, sort of.” And the other girls would look confused, but they’d not politely and say things like “Ah, I see”. She’d know that they didn’t “see” at all; and she could well understand why, because her family situation was enough to confuse anyone; but it hadn’t mattered. She’d been part of the family and that had been all that had been important.

There were no letters from either Madge or Daisy or Joey today; but she hadn’t been expecting any. She’d had a letter from Madge the previous week and so she wouldn’t receive another one until next week. Madge’s letters always came once a fortnight, unless she were on holiday and unwell. Robin sometimes suspected that Madge set aside a regular amount of time every two weeks for writing letters, and copied out much the same thing to send to any number of people; but that was understandable. She was a busy person, after all. And Daisy was even busier, with her work and her young family: it was no wonder that there were sometimes long gaps between her letters.

As for Joey, it had been a while she’d heard from her but there was nothing unusual in that: she’d get a letter at some point, starting off with all sorts of news about the children and the school and the latest gossip from various other Chalet School girls, and then saying that there was far more that she had to tell her but that she really did have to do this, that or the other so she’d have to save it until she had more time. Joey was always rushing around so much and kept in touch with so many people that it wasn’t surprising that she never had time to finish what she’d been saying: it was a little frustrating sometimes, but it was quite understandable.

She appreciated the fact that people took the time to write to her at all, knowing how much all those with whom she’d once lived had going on their lives, and she hoped that they were glad to receive her letters too. She led a busy life herself – and that was why she’d had to wait so long before finally having time to sit down in peace and quiet and go through the three envelopes which were waiting impatiently for her to slit them open and enjoy their contents.

Which one should she turn to first, she wondered, fingering the pile and savouring that moment of choice. She recognised the flamboyant handwriting on the uppermost envelope as belonging to Zephyr: theirs had been an unlikely friendship in many people’s eyes but it had stood the test of time and they still corresponded, not particularly often but not infrequently either. And the middle one was from Adrienne. She smiled fondly. Adrienne was very special to her, and – she hoped – they had a good relationship, despite her regrets that they hadn’t come to know each other sooner and that, having eventually discovered that each was the second cousin that the other had never known existed, they’d never really had the chance to spend much time together. And, finally, the very thick envelope at the bottom of the pile was from Con.

Dear Con, to whom she felt so close even though they hadn’t met in almost a decade and a half. She closed her eyes for a moment, and remembered Con as a little girl, earnestly insisting that the lady in the village shop in Howells had remarked on the resemblance between the two of them. Any family resemblance between the two of them must be purely coincidental, obviously; but she’d been so touched by the little girl’s eagerness to make it clear that to her “Auntie Rob” was as much part of the family as anyone else was, blood tie or no. She remembered another thoughtful gesture too, the letter that Con had sent her inviting her to attend the Chalet School’s twenty-first anniversary celebrations “because even though I know you won’t be able to come I didn’t want you to feel left out”.

Con had written her a long letter after those celebrations, telling her everything that had happened. All the events at the school. And the visit to the Tiernsee. Back where it had all begun. Back in Tyrol.

She shuddered for a moment; and not just because of the “bracing cold” which Jack and Jem had always talked about so much every time that Canada had been mentioned. She’d loved Tyrol; but even now she sometimes had nightmares about their last days there. That day in Spartz …no, no; she wasn’t going to think about that now. She wasn’t. She’d been looking forward to reading these letters all day, and she wasn’t going to let bad memories from quarter of a century ago spoil them for her.

Author:  Cath V-P [ 14 Feb 2009, 09:35 ]
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Goodness, I think I might have been the first to find this! I love Robin's response to her mail, anticipating and delighted just by the envelopes. And the way in which she is so much part of the family, not by blood but by love and friendship. But how sad that her thoughts of Tyrol are so inevitably coloured by those last days there and the flight to Switzerland.
Thank you Alison.

Author:  Sarah_G-G [ 14 Feb 2009, 10:31 ]
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This looks really interesting. I've always wondered what happened to Robin once she left CS-land. It's lovely to see her happiness over the letters, if a little sad to see her acceptance of the busy lives of others and her last memories of the Tirol. Nice to see Con's still in proper contact as well. :)

Author:  Liz K [ 14 Feb 2009, 11:09 ]
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Shame Madge and Joey didn't manage to keep in contact more often and that Robin faded out of the books, can't wait to read more of this.

Author:  ChubbyMonkey [ 14 Feb 2009, 11:30 ]
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Ooh, I'm intrigued. I think that it's so sad Robin has to try and cope with her memories on her own - we do see Jack and Joey talking about them, and able to help each other through, and all of the others must have someone too, but Robin has no-one there to talk to about it.

Thankyou!

Author:  Lesley [ 14 Feb 2009, 12:56 ]
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Lovely to see Robin - pleased that Con has such a good relationship with her.


Thanks Alison

Author:  PaulineS [ 14 Feb 2009, 18:45 ]
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A lovely start, and an an intriguing title especially with the concluding paragraph. I was always sorry that we only heard Robin was in France when it was time for her to leave. I think EBD could have let some of the family visit her. I felt Allie's response to her at the station in Paris was so sad as she could have seen her at the convent with her cousins.

Author:  JS [ 14 Feb 2009, 19:31 ]
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I always like your drabbles, Alison, so I'm pleased to see this. Wonder what became of Zephyr?

Author:  wheelchairprincess [ 14 Feb 2009, 22:03 ]
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Very pleased to see this, I always like your drabbles and this seems like a very tantalising start... Thank you Alison

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 15 Feb 2009, 06:12 ]
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Yay!!!!! Another Alison drabble! Thanks, really like the start of this and am glad Con and Robin have a special relationship

Author:  Alison H [ 15 Feb 2009, 09:35 ]
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Thanks for the comments :D . Just a note - I know that EBD places La Sagesse in Toronto, but I'm sure she meant Montréal so I've set it in Montréal. It doesn't really matter because most of this isn't about Robin despite the start :roll: , but I didn't want it to seem like a blatant Alison-ism :lol: .


Resolutely, Robin turned her attention back to her post, taking Con’s letter from the pile and wondering at the unusual thickness of the envelope.

Con’s letters were often long. Con was like that: she might not always able to express herself well in person but she very rarely struggled for words on paper. In fact, Robin knew that, whilst Joey had always bemoaned the fact that her second daughter had never seemed to make close friends at school in the way that Len and Margot had, the teenage Con had always been more than happy to have as her closest friend Marie-Adelaide Marchant, the girl whom she’d met during her time at the very school in which Robin now taught. There had been girls at school with whom she’d been friendly, certainly, but it had been Marie-Adelaide with whom she’d shared her deepest feelings in a constant stream of letters across the Atlantic; and Marie-Adelaide had done the same with her in return. The two of them were still as close as they’d ever been; and Con spoke often of how she longed to return to Canada to spend some time in person with her dear friend – and, Robin reflected wistfully, to see her “Auntie Rob” again.

It wouldn’t be next year, though. Although Con was now earning a good wage, with her new job at one of the leading British daily newspapers, she certainly wouldn’t have enough to pay for two big holidays in one year – nor, indeed, would she be entitled to enough time off work in which to take them – and she’d already got a trip to Europe pencilled in for the beginning of February. A few days at the Gornetz Platz first, of course. She’d fill Robin in on all the latest news from everyone there, she’d promised, every scrap of it; and she’d take some up-to-date photos and send those on as well. Robin was looking forward to seeing them – especially those of the younger children, because children changed so quickly.

It was strange to think that she’d never seen Joey’s younger children, not even Cecil who bore her name and to whom she was godmother. So many years separating the eldest and the youngest Maynard children. They’d grown up in different worlds, almost, she thought - not only because the younger ones had only ever lived in Switzerland but also because they hadn’t had lived through the War and the period of austerity that had immediately followed it.

Sometimes it seemed like only yesterday. But it was over eighteen years since the end of the War; and over twenty-five years since they’d left Tyrol. She’d never been back; but the Maynards and the Russells had, many times. And it was in Tyrol where Con would be spending most of her holiday. She was planning on taking a ski-ing trip to one of Tyrol’s winter sports resorts, and she’d chosen the date to coincide with Innsbruck’s hosting of the Winter Olympics.

That was assuming that all was well, though, Robin thought, suddenly anxious now as she sat with the envelope clutched in her hand. Even by Con’s standards the letter appeared to be exceptionally long: it hadn’t been more than a couple of weeks since she’d written last: what on earth could have happened since then to give her so much to write about? What if something were wrong … but no, someone would have rung her had there been something seriously wrong, she reassured herself. What was it, then? Well, there was only one way to find out.

She ripped the envelope open – and found the answer to her question straight away. It didn’t just contain a letter from Con. There was a second envelope inside, within which was another letter – written in handwriting which she didn’t recognise. Another question, then! Two, in fact – whom was it from, and why were they writing to her via Con? Puzzled, she took the second letter out of its envelope, turned to the back page and read the signature.

The name was one she’d heard before; she was sure of that; but where? She couldn’t place it at all.

Author:  Lesley [ 15 Feb 2009, 09:39 ]
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Ooooh a mystery - like that! :lol:


Robin does seem rather neglected for one who was so much a part of the family for so long.

Thanks Alison

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 15 Feb 2009, 12:04 ]
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Alison! I can't believe you left us at a cliff! Well actually I believe you can :P Can't wait to see who the well known signature is

Author:  andi [ 15 Feb 2009, 12:18 ]
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Lovely to hear more about Robin and Con. Also wondering who the mystery correspondent is....

Author:  JS [ 15 Feb 2009, 13:50 ]
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A friend from the early days, perhaps? Looking forward to more.

Author:  Liz K [ 15 Feb 2009, 14:03 ]
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:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Tells us more, tell us more, please pretty please.

Author:  abbeybufo [ 15 Feb 2009, 14:39 ]
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My mind is reeling with possibilities here, Alison, about which I won't spoil the suspense by speculating out loud :lol:

This is a great start - looking forward to more revelations :shock:

Thank you Alison - I always enjoy your drabbles :D

Author:  JoW [ 15 Feb 2009, 14:47 ]
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You've really hooked me in with this story. I want to know more... please

Author:  LizzieC [ 15 Feb 2009, 16:03 ]
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Argh!

*goes sailing over the cliff*

You're a bad bad woman Alison! :lol:

Author:  wheelchairprincess [ 15 Feb 2009, 17:27 ]
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I'm re-reading problem and when they take Rosamund to meet Joey, they talk about wanting to go back and see their Canadian friends again. And Joey says that their friends are in Toronto but that Robin is in Montreal.

This continues to interest and intrigue me.

Author:  Abi [ 15 Feb 2009, 19:20 ]
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*joins LizzieC at the bottom of the cliff*

Someone from Tirol days, maybe? But I have no idea who it could be...

Author:  Elbee [ 15 Feb 2009, 22:48 ]
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Poor Robin, she does sound a bit neglected. Looking forward to finding out who has written the letter.

Thanks, Alison

Author:  M [ 15 Feb 2009, 23:22 ]
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Great - another Alison drabble. As Con is going to the Tirol are we going to see Gretchen and David again?

Author:  Alison H [ 16 Feb 2009, 08:55 ]
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M wrote:
As Con is going to the Tirol are we going to see Gretchen and David again?


Yes - here they are :D .

Gretchen was staring up at the sky so intently that she would almost certainly have collided with an elderly gentleman walking along Innsbruck’s busy Mariatheresienstrasse in the opposite direction had David not steered her out of the way just in time. She apologised immediately to the elderly gentleman and squeezed David’s arm by way of thanks, but within moments her eyes were turning heavenwards again. “I just can’t believe that this is happening – or not happening, I should say,” she muttered. “Bloody Fohn!”

“Bloody Fohn!” a little voice echoed happily. Gretchen went bright red. How many times over the past few months had she asked people to be careful what they said in front of Daniel because he’d started to seize on any new word and repeat it as eagerly as a parrot? And now she’d gone and done exactly what she kept asking other people not to!

“Er, Daniel, darling, please don’t say bl … er, that word again. It’s not a very nice word, and Mummy shouldn’t really have said it,” she told her son. She made a concerted but not entirely successful attempt to look and sound solemn as she leaned over the buggy, which David, who was roaring with laughter, was currently taking his turn in pushing.

Hanging over the buggy’s handles were two bags of assorted purchases made earlier in the afternoon from Innsbruck’s largest department store, Hamel’s. Every four to six weeks or so the Russells generally spent a Saturday in Innsbruck, and today was one of those days. There were a few small shops around the Tiernsee, and Spartz and Schwaz were fine for most everyday items; but there were things that weren’t readily available outside a big city centre, and anyway sometimes it was good just to have a day out in the regional capital for a change of scene.

“David, will you stop laughing, please?” she chided her husband. “I know I shouldn’t have said it but I didn’t so it on purpose: I just didn’t think. It’s not funny, and he’ll think it is if you keep sniggering like that!”

“He’s a lot more likely to remember the word if you keep going on about it,” David pointed out, grinning at her until eventually she started to laugh too. “That’s better! And I wasn’t actually laughing at Daniel repeating your elegant choice of phraseology: I was laughing at you looking up at the sky as if doing that could suddenly make it start snowing! It’s worse than people staring up the railway line as if staring’s going to make the train come any more quickly!” Stopping walking, he put an arm round her shoulders affectionately. “There’s nothing that any of us can do about the weather, you know. It’s very frustrating, but it’s completely out of our hands. The whole of Tyrol’d be gazing up at the heavens if there was any way that doing that could help!”

“I know. It’s just so annoying!” She heaved a deep sigh and shook her head. “Normally at this time of year people’re moaning their heads off about how everywhere’s covered in snow and ice; and just this year when we need plenty of snow we haven’t got any. You couldn’t make it up! Oh well. If there’s no snow then there’s no snow: the organisers’ll just have to find a way round it. If need be they’ll have to bring some in from other parts of the region: Auntie Karen said on the phone the other day that there’s certainly no shortage of it in Mayrhofen, so at least Con and this old schoolfriend of hers won’t have any problems going ski-ing when they get there! And there are even plans to bring some sort of artificial snow-making machines in: I heard something about it on the wireless the other day.

"It’s just such a nuisance, though! It’s all to do with the Fohn blowing, apparently, and it does happen sometimes but why did it just have to pick the year that Innsbruck’s hosting the Winter Olympics? I’ve never known it be this mild in January. It’s just so important for Austria that this should all go well; and of all the things to happen the stupid weather has to go and play up!”

Author:  Emma A [ 16 Feb 2009, 11:38 ]
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Lovely, Alison, I'm really looking forward to more of this (your Gretchen and David are lovely). Which old school-friend of Con's will be joining her?

Author:  JS [ 16 Feb 2009, 14:21 ]
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Oh goodie, I love the David and Gretchen stories too. Seems funny to see them described as 'The Russells' but I suppose they are!

Author:  Cat C [ 16 Feb 2009, 22:41 ]
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This looks interesting - looking forward to seeing where it all goes and what Con's letter is all about too!

Author:  Miss Di [ 17 Feb 2009, 03:37 ]
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Thanks Alison, I do hope we find out who is writing to Robin.

Author:  Alison H [ 17 Feb 2009, 08:52 ]
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“Weather’s awkward like that.” David smiled ruefully. “Nothing we can do about it, unfortunately! Anyway, it could still snow in time – it might be milder than usual for January, but even so it’s not exactly warm.” This was only the third winter that he’d spent in Tyrol since his early childhood and he was still getting used to just how cold it could get. “My hands are freezing – all right, all right, I know, it’s my own fault for not listening when you told me to make sure that I brought my gloves out with me; but they are. Matter of fact, I was just about to suggest that we go and get a hot drink to warm us up before heading home. Er, and maybe something to eat as well, just to put us on until dinner.”

“Ooh!” Gretchen burst out laughing. “That idea’s got nothing to do with the weather: you’re trust trying to find an excuse to go and have a big piece of cake. I know you, David Russell! “Get a hot drink to warm us up before heading home”? – we’re hardly going to freeze in the car, are we? Not that I’m saying that it’s not a good idea, of course!”

“I thought that it was a pretty good idea too,” David said with a grin. “Shall we, then?”

“Shall we, then?” Daniel chorused; and David smiled down at his son’s little face, which was peeping out from between a bright red hat and matching scarf knitted for their wearer by his great-grandmother. It might be mild for January by Tyrolean standards but, as he’d just pointed out, it was still not exactly warm; and he and Gretchen had made sure that their little boy was well wrapped up before they’d left the house. “What do you reckon, then, Daniel? Should we go straight home and get in with getting all this shopping unpacked, or should we stop somewhere for Kaffee und Kuchen – or Milch und Kuchen in your case - first? What do you think?”

“Kuchen!” Daniel said, so decisively that it made his mother giggle. “Kuchen it is, then!” she said. “I could do with something myself before we head back, actually. Shopping always makes me hungry! Come on, then, let’s get going and see if we can beat the late afternoon rush!”

Get going they did, and it wasn’t more than a few minutes before they were seated comfortably in their favourite coffee house, at a table by an upstairs window from which it was possible to see right out across the centre of the city. A waitress was soon at the table to take their order, and they asked for two coffees and a glass of milk, along with Sachertorte for Daniel - who liked anything that had chocolate in it -, apple strudel for David and cheesecake for Gretchen. The service in there was always good and they didn’t have to wait long before their food and drink was with them. Daniel insisted that he could manage his cake by himself: Gretchen wasn’t convinced that he wouldn’t make a terrible mess but, not wanting to “baby” him, she compromised by cutting it up into small pieces for him and then handing him a spoon to make what he would of it. That done, she turned to enjoying her own food.

The cheesecake was delicious, but it was very rich. She ate some of it and then decided to wait a little while before she had the rest, glancing out of the window as she put her fork down. The centre of Innsbruck was busy today, as it always was on a Saturday afternoon, but that was nothing compared to what it’d be like in a few weeks when the expected crowds of visitors arrived for the Winter Olympics, she thought to herself.

Thirty-six different nations were sending teams, with the total number of athletes exceeding a thousand for the first time ever – and the newspapers were reporting that up to a billion people were expected to watch the coverage of the Games on television, a number of viewers unthinkable for any sort of event even a few short years ago. She was both excited – in fact, she’d been getting excited about it all for months! –and – lest anything go wrong, such as the wretched weather – anxious, and it wasn’t hard for her to work out why. This was really the first time that the eyes of the world would have been on Austria since her country had been fully restored to independence, just over eight and a half years earlier and a full ten years after the end of the War in Europe.

Author:  keren [ 17 Feb 2009, 10:23 ]
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thanks

Apart from the fact that I like to read your stories, I also enjoy the fact that I can rely on you for daily updates!

Author:  di [ 17 Feb 2009, 11:29 ]
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Thanks, Alison, this looks like the beginning of a very interesting drabble. Just who is the mystery letter to Rob, from? Looking forward to the next post.

Author:  JS [ 17 Feb 2009, 14:06 ]
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I'll second that. Thanks Alison.

Author:  PaulineS [ 17 Feb 2009, 14:42 ]
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Thanks for the update. Please let us know who Robin's mystery correspondant is soon.

Author:  Sarah_K [ 17 Feb 2009, 20:40 ]
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I'm also looking forward to eharing more about Robin's mystery correspondant! But loving seeing the Russells in the meantime :D

Author:  Lesley [ 17 Feb 2009, 20:50 ]
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Lovely to see David and Gretchen again.


Thanks Alison.

Author:  Cath V-P [ 18 Feb 2009, 04:07 ]
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Intriguing - I wonder who Robin's letter is from? And what an exasperating way for the weather to behave.

Author:  Alison H [ 18 Feb 2009, 08:55 ]
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Nobody in Austria ever spoke much about the War years. It was one of those unmentionable subjects. Either despite or because of the fact that it had been over for eighteen and a half years and they were all supposed to have moved on. Well, in many ways they’d undoubtedly moved on, and really Austria was doing well. The country might have been reduced to the status of a very minor power indeed but it was independent, democratic and prospering; and that was an awful lot more than could be said for many of its neighbours.

She sighed. It was still hard to believe the way that “Victory in Europe” had turned into Europe being split in two. The pictures of that horrible big wall which the Soviets had put up in Berlin two and a half years ago said it all, really. East and West Germany might be sending a united team to the forthcoming Winter Olympics but anyone who saw that as some sort of indication that reunification might be only a little way ahead was just fooling themselves, surely. And it was hardly just Germany: she still found it difficult to accept that Austria was effectively cut off from areas – Hungary, Czechoslovakia and parts of Yugoslavia, Romania, Poland and the Soviet Union – with which it had shared common rule less than half a century earlier.

Austria had to count itself lucky, she supposed. Yes – despite the fact that the southern part of Tyrol remained legally part of Italy, a sore point with her as it was with most other people in the North Tyrol – Austria was lucky, really. Lucky in many ways, especially in being part of the Western world. Or was it part of the Western world? There was always that ambivalence there: Austria had to be neutral. Of course, Switzerland was neutral too, but in Switzerland’s case it was historically a matter of choice. Austria didn’t have any. It had been declared “permanently neutral” in 1955 by its own parliament, true, but without a guarantee of permanent neutrality it was unlikely that the full restoration of Austrian independence would have been agreed to by the Soviet Union and the Western Allies. Austria had been divided into four sections and put under Allied administration in the years immediately following the end of the War: despite everything that the 1943 Moscow Declaration had said about Austria being Nazi Germany’s first victim, Austria hadn’t been regarded in the same way as other occupied countries had been, whatever people might like to believe.

And nobody in Austria ever spoke much about the War years. Maybe that wasn’t surprising. What had happened during that time had been so terrible that it was only to be expected that people wouldn’t want to speak about it. Austria, like most other countries in Europe, had lost hundreds of thousands of people. All those lives ended prematurely - many of them in a way so horrific that it was difficult even to think about it. She could just about remember, as a very young child, hearing the Tzigane bands play by the shores of the Tiernsee; but there were no Tzigane bands in the area now, and no-one ever spoke about them. And she’d heard many times from David’s relatives the tragic story of the murder of an elderly Jewish couple and the parish priest by a baying mob in Spartz not long after the Anschluss. That hadn’t been a German mob: it had been a mob of native Tyroleans … and people like that had lived alongside other Tyroleans, like Gisela Mensch’s father, who’d gone to their deaths in Nazi concentration camps.

She shuddered. It was all so difficult to try to come to terms with. And she looked at Daniel, his small face covered in chocolate and his little hands all sticky, shared a smile with David as he took a serviette and proceeded to clean the little boy up, and silently gave thanks that both the Moniers and the Russells had come through the tragedy of the war years relatively unscathed. So many people hadn’t.

Author:  JS [ 18 Feb 2009, 10:14 ]
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Very good to get an update every day - and one packed full of information too.
Thanks Alison.

Author:  ibarhis [ 18 Feb 2009, 10:25 ]
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I had never thought about the fate of the Tzigane bands...

Author:  di [ 18 Feb 2009, 10:43 ]
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Thanks for the update. One tends to forget what happened to the people of Austria; the Third Reich seemed to absorb the country but of course there were groups of so called 'undesirables' there as well as in France and Poland. This is a gentle reminder of the awfulness of the atrocities.
Waiting in anticipation for the next! :)

Author:  keren [ 18 Feb 2009, 11:25 ]
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Thanks for that little bit of history too.

Author:  JB [ 18 Feb 2009, 17:54 ]
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What a lovely surprise to find a new drabble, Alison. I haven't had time to come on here all week and i'm loving this. Con's one of my favourite characters.

Author:  Lesley [ 18 Feb 2009, 19:17 ]
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Horrible for Gretchen's family - both those in England and those left in Austria.


Thanks Alison

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 19 Feb 2009, 07:47 ]
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Thanks Alison, am really enjoying the drabble and as someone elese said the daily updates. Can't wait to see more about Robin too

Author:  Alison H [ 19 Feb 2009, 08:48 ]
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Sorry if I'm sounding like EBD in didactic mode :lol: - just trying to set the scene :D .

Con Maynard shut the door of her London flat behind her, kicked her shoes off, flopped down on the settee and yawned. Roll on Mayrhofen!

She’d had a busy six months, the busiest of her life so far. After working on a local newspaper in Oxfordshire since her graduation, the previous summer she’d struck lucky and won a job at one of the nationals. It was only a very junior position, admittedly, but it was a foot in the door. When she’d first left school she’d cherished dreams of becoming a novelist like her mother, but now she couldn’t be any more sure that she’d made the right decision in pursuing a career in journalism.

She’d only been in her present job for a short time, of course, but what a time it had been: even a cub reporter who hadn’t been working on the big stories directly couldn’t have helped but feel involved in them. In her very first month there there’d been that big train robbery in Buckinghamshire, and then later that month she’d watched, spellbound, the footage of Martin Luther King junior’s inspirational speech in from of the Lincoln Memorial - what a man and what an orator! Hot on the heels of that had been the publication of the report about this political scandal involving John Profumo, and then the new Pope had opened the second period of Vatican II. Then it had been one thing after another in October, a new prime minister taking office and a series of tragic natural disasters; and then, on November 22nd, had come the news that had sent shockwaves round the world – the assassination of President Kennedy. Not to mention everything else that had happened – the nuclear test ban treaty, Kenyan independence, the coup in South Vietnam …every day had seemed to bring some major development in world affairs.

Difficult as it was to try to be objective about it all, she’d felt it a privilege to play a part, however small, in bringing the news of such momentous events to hundreds of thousands of people, and she’d put her all into it. What a thrill, and what a responsibility too, to be involved in letting people know about the events that were shaping the world in which they all lived. This was real life, and what chance did humanity have of making progress if people didn’t know about real life events, those of the present and also, of course, those of the past which had made the present world what it was.

She was tired now. She hadn’t had any time off over Christmas and New Year, apart from Christmas Day itself, which she’d spent in Devon with her Bettany relatives. Her Auntie Madge, Uncle Jem and their three youngest children had been invited too, but this year they’d spent the festive season in Austria, and that was where she’d be going herself soon and she couldn’t wait! She was going to the Gornetz Platz for a few days first, of course, but then after that she’d be bound for Tyrol – fun in the snow, fun on the apres-ski scene too (she hoped!), and, in this special year, the chance to see some of the Winter Olympic events live.

Maeve had recommended Mayrhofen: she worked in the travel industry and knew a lot about the best places to go to. And, of course, having decided to go to Mayrhofen she’d had to book to go Karen’s hotel, or Anna would never have spoken to her again! Not that she’d heard anything but good about it – Primula and Nick had raved about the place after they’d stayed there - and she was certainly looking forward to tasting Karen’s delicious food again! And she’d be able to see David and Gretchen and little Daniel whilst she was there, and she was looking forward to that too.

Pure relaxation and enjoyment: these were the things that she’d had in mind when she’d first starting planning this holiday, several months earlier. And indeed that was what she still hoped that most of her holiday was going to be about, especially as she was now going to be sharing it with an old friend rather than going on her own. But at least part of it was going to be very different.

It wasn’t going to be easy and it certainly wasn’t going to be pleasant; but she’d promised her Auntie Robin that she’d do it, and do it she would.

Author:  Cath V-P [ 19 Feb 2009, 09:39 ]
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Fascinating that Con should have the chance to ponder such events as these... I wonder just what she has promised to do for Robin in Austria? I get a sense that there is somehow 'unfinished business' there.

Author:  JS [ 19 Feb 2009, 10:13 ]
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Another lovely breakfast-time treat; thanks Alison. I feel that Con's journalistic skills may have to come into play in Austria?

Author:  Emma A [ 19 Feb 2009, 10:18 ]
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This is really intriguing, Alison - very much looking forward to seeing what Con gets up to, and what Robin has asked her to do that may well be unpleasant.

Thank-you.

Author:  JB [ 19 Feb 2009, 10:25 ]
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These updates are a great way to start the day.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 19 Feb 2009, 11:59 ]
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And end them too! :lol:

Am curious as to what Con has to do in Austria

Author:  Lesley [ 19 Feb 2009, 20:18 ]
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Pleased Con is enjoying her career. Intrigued as to just what Robin has asked her to do.



Thanks Alison

Author:  Alison H [ 20 Feb 2009, 08:59 ]
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A tall, slim, grey-eyed young woman in her mid-twenties boarded the Paris-Vienna express, stowed her ski equipment and her rather large suitcase in the luggage compartment and made her way to her seat, relieved that she’d been able to remember enough French to get herself something to eat and drink at the Gare de l’Est and hoping that the same would prove true of her German when she arrived in Austria. It would have been much easier to fly but, quite apart from the cost, she had way too much stuff with her for that!

She’d tried not to pack too much, but she had all her ski gear with her, and ski suits and other winter clothes took up an awful lot of room, and she’d brought rather a lot of clothes to wear in the evenings too. Well, although she and Con would be staying in a very nice family-run hotel they had no intention on missing out on enjoying Mayrhofen’s nightlife, she thought with a grin; and they’d want to look their best for that! She doubted very much whether her father would entirely approve of some of the clothes she’d brought, but what the eye wouldn’t see the heart wouldn’t grieve over! And then, lying at the very top of the case in the hope that it wouldn’t get crushed, there was the evening gown that she’d brought for the evening on which they were invited for dinner with Con’s godfather and his wife.

She’d been stunned almost into silence on learning that Con was the goddaughter of an Austrian count who lived in a Schloss. At first she’d thought that her friend had been joking, and had been very embarrassed indeed when she’d realised that she’d been being quite serious; but luckily Con had been amused rather than offended. “I know it sounds bizarre, but it is actually true,” she’d explained. “When the Chalet School was first going, quite a few of its pupils were from the Austrian aristocracy. One of them, my Auntie Marie, became one of Mamma’s best friends; and she married the local … lord of the manor, for lack of a more Continental-sounding expression! I’ll completely understand if you don’t want to spend the evening with complete strangers; but they’re lovely, honestly; and they’d love to meet you. And you’ll love the Schloss Wertheim. I don’t suppose they’ve got any Chinese porcelain there, but they’ve got all sorts of paintings and other artwork, from all over Europe; and Auntie Marie’d be only too pleased to show it all to someone who was really keen on that sort of thing, like you are.”

She’d sighed. “Of course, they had a lot more before the War; but the Nazis took a lot of it. They didn’t damage the place as badly as they might have done, though, but that was because some of their people used it as a base. Auntie Marie and Uncle Eugen were visiting relatives in America when the Anschluss happened, and the Nazis ordered Uncle Eugen to return to Austria but he wouldn’t: they didn’t go back until the War was over. Then they had a bad time getting the Schloss back, with one thing and another, and by the time they did parts of it’d fallen into disrepair. It’s in pretty good condition now - it’s used as a conference centre because it’d just be too expensive to maintain otherwise- but it took them a long time getting sorted out.” She’d paused at that point. “The first thing they did was to have the whole place fumigated. They told Mamma that they wouldn’t feel comfortable about moving back in otherwise … with the Nazis having been there, I mean.”

And, then, she’d gone on to tell her friend about how the Countess von und zu Wertheim’s brother-in-law and his friend had for many months been imprisoned in Mauthausen concentration camp for many months, under conditions so horrific that they still bore both the mental and physical scars, and always would do even though their time there was something of which neither of them generally spoke. They’d been lucky, though; so very lucky, because somehow they’d managed to escape. The father-in-law of Len’s godfather had been arrested at about the same time, and he’d gone to his death in one of the Nazi camps. “I never knew him, of course, but from what Mamma and Papa say he was the most wonderful man,” Con had said sadly. “His younger daughter lived at Freudesheim with us for a while. She never spoke about what happened to her father. She still doesn’t speak about it much, and I don’t think that her sister does either –but it must be terrible for them having to live with that knowledge. I can’t even begin to imagine how terrible.”

How did people live with that sort of knowledge, Ricki wondered. How did people all over Europe cope with what had happened during the War? It was something that she’d never really had to think about that much ... until last year.

Author:  Emma A [ 20 Feb 2009, 10:05 ]
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Alison, this is so tantalising! What has happened to Ricki? And I like that she's a bit over-awed by Con's god-father being a count!

I'm looking forward to more of this. :D

Author:  di [ 20 Feb 2009, 11:21 ]
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Two updates to read over breakfast this morning! Oh, I do enjoy being on holiday :lol: Fascinating as well; I presume Ricki is the Ricki [Fry?]from the school, I don't remember much about her although I thought she was more Len's friend than Con's. Is she part of Rob's request? Why will it be unpleasant for Con? Questions, questions, questions :!:
Thanks for the update, I'm waiting in suspense for the next part.

Author:  Emma A [ 20 Feb 2009, 11:33 ]
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di wrote:
...Fascinating as well; I presume Ricki is the Ricki [Fry?]from the school, I don't remember much about her although I thought she was more Len's friend than Con's...

She started out as Len's friend, but after her book, she seemed to be more associated as Con's friend (a bit like Odette, too).

Author:  Alison H [ 20 Feb 2009, 11:38 ]
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Yes, Ricki is Ricki Fry. Both she and Odette started out as Len's friends, but later on - especially in Theodora - Ricki is referred to as being "a great friend" of Con's :D .

Author:  Cath V-P [ 20 Feb 2009, 11:55 ]
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I'd forgotten about Eugen von Wertheim being Con's godfather. And how difficult he and Marie must have found it returning to Austria and feeling that the schloss had somehow been besmirched. ( I have a vague memory of something similar being said of the von Trapp Austrian home, and Maria von Trapp writing that the family felt that they just could not return because of what had happened there.)

Thank you Alison

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 20 Feb 2009, 12:30 ]
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Thanks Alison, I'd forgotten anout the triplets godfathers. I'm with Ricki, I'd be overwhelmed too! :D

Author:  Sarah_G-G [ 20 Feb 2009, 12:35 ]
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Yay, two new posts! I must have missed yesterday's update somehow. I wonder what's happened to Ricki, and what's this thing Con has to do for Robin? I'd completely forgotten Eugen was Con's godfather as well! I have to admit.

Author:  JS [ 20 Feb 2009, 19:03 ]
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The fumigation point really stood out for me - was that quite common? (I know Alison is very hot on historical detail!)

Author:  wheelchairprincess [ 20 Feb 2009, 20:12 ]
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Thanks for this Alison. I was going to comment that it was mean to have still not told us who the other person was. But then I saw everyone else had said it was Ricki. So I won't.

Author:  Lesley [ 20 Feb 2009, 21:25 ]
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Thanks Alison

Author:  Kathy_S [ 21 Feb 2009, 04:30 ]
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It's lovely to catch up with everyone, though I'm a bit apprehensive, between the title and Ricki's allusions!

It's especially interesting seeing the reactions of Marie & co. I do know one person who still reacts badly to the very name of Austria, given what happened to her relatives there during WWII.

Author:  Alison H [ 21 Feb 2009, 08:57 ]
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The fumigation bit was made up, but I can imagine that must've been very strange for Marie and Eugen knowing that the Nazis had been in their home, especially given what had happened to some of their close relatives and friends. Thanks for the comments.

The train began to make its way out of the Gare de l’Est; and Ricki couldn’t help feeling ridiculously excited as it did so. She’d travelled by train in Europe plenty of times before, obviously; but this was the first time that she’d done so on her own. Part of her kept expecting a mistress or a prefect to come along and ask her if her trunk was properly labelled or where she’d put her umbrella!

She grinned to herself at the recollection of how sophisticated she’d considered herself to be back in her Chalet School days. Making long train journeys across the Continent, visiting Swiss cities with exotic-sounding names, eating “foreign” food … oh dear, she hadn’t had a clue how sheltered and protected life at the Gornetz Platz had been until she’d gone to university and had to be responsible for herself! Even then, she’d lived in student accommodation and her world had revolved largely around the university: she hadn’t really begun to learn about real life until she’d graduated. Then she’d found out the hard way that enthusiasm and a good degree were no guarantee of the sort of job that their possessor wanted: positions in galleries were few and far between, and application after application had ended in letters beginning “Dear Miss Fry, I regret to inform you that we are unable to offer you the position of …”.

In fact, even then she hadn’t really had to be “grown up”: she’d moved back in with her father and Nanny whilst working in a local gallery on a voluntary basis in the hope that the experience would look good on future applications. She’d earned a little from doing some translation work for a nearby firm with clients in France, but her father had refused point blank to take any money from her for her keep, and she had to admit that she hadn’t done all that much to help Nanny and their daily woman with the housework. But then it had all changed. Eventually, after all those unsuccessful interviews and rejection letters, she’d finally won a job at a big gallery in London, one that actually had its own collection of Chinese porcelain. How excited she’d been, both about the job itself and about the thought of life as a bachelor girl in the big city!

Her father, on the other hand, had been worried sick. When she’d been younger, of course, she’d been quite convinced that he couldn’t have cared less about her and was only interested in his Chinese porcelain; but his reaction to that horrendous incident at the dentist’s in Switzerland – she still shuddered at the memory of it, even though her eyes were fine now – had made her realise that that hadn’t been the case at all. They’d got on pretty well since then. She’d spent the last few days with him and Nanny: she’d been invited to join Con at the Gornetz Platz but, although it would have been nice to have seen Len again, she only got a very limited number of days off work each year and had wanted to spend part of this break catching up with her own family and with Sue Mason who was nursing at the hospital near where they’d both been brought up. She’d been well and truly fussed over as well! Her father and Nanny still worried about whether or not she was looking after herself properly, even though she’d been in her flat in London for nearly a year now.

When she’d first gone to live in London, Professor Fry, extremely anxious at the thought of her moving to a place where she didn’t know anyone, had suggested that she make herself known at the nearest Friends’ Meeting House. She wasn’t particularly of a religious turn of mind but, partly to placate her father and partly because she’d thought that it’d be one way of getting to meet people, she’d done so fairly soon after her arrival. It had been a good decision: she’d made some good friends there. She’d been made very welcome right from the start, and she’d felt even more at home there once she’d found that a few of the people she’d met knew some of her friends and acquaintances from back home. In fact, one of them, a Mr Bond, had actually met her father, years before.

“You were just a little baby then,” he’d said, smiling. “He showed me a photograph of you. He carried it around in his wallet. He was so proud of you: he talked about you and your mother a lot. We had a lot of time to talk, you see: he and I were part of the same group that went over to the Hook of Holland and we were at the station there for hours, waiting for the trains from Germany and Austria to come in. Talking was our way of keeping ourselves busy.”

Author:  Lesley [ 21 Feb 2009, 09:33 ]
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Nice to get some background on Ricki.


Thanks Alison

Author:  di [ 21 Feb 2009, 10:16 ]
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Thanks, Alison. It is interesting to have some background info on Ricki's life after the C.S.

Author:  JB [ 21 Feb 2009, 10:52 ]
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Quote:
We had a lot of time to talk, you see: he and I were part of the same group that went over to the Hook of Holland and we were at the station there for hours, waiting for the trains from Germany and Austria to come in.


Mmm. This is more and more intriguing.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 21 Feb 2009, 12:17 ]
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Thanks Alison, am enjoying the background of Ricki.

What is Hook of Holland?

Author:  Cath V-P [ 21 Feb 2009, 12:45 ]
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I have a vague idea where this might be heading....

Fascinating to see Ricki's background, especially the obvious affection her father has for her.

Author:  Alex [ 21 Feb 2009, 12:45 ]
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Fiona Mc wrote:
What is Hook of Holland?

I know it's on the coast...you can get a ferry from Harwich to Hook of Holland.

Author:  Alison H [ 21 Feb 2009, 14:12 ]
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It's a small coastal town near Rotterdam. Its proper name is the (can't remember what the definite article is in Dutch :oops: ) Hoek van Holland, which means "Corner of Holland", but it's referred to as "the Hook of Holland" in English.

Ferries run between there and Harwich on the east coast of England, as Alex said.

Author:  Cat C [ 21 Feb 2009, 15:09 ]
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Thank you for the update - looking forward to seeing where all this is going!

Author:  JS [ 21 Feb 2009, 17:36 ]
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Didn't dare hope there would be an update at the weekend. Thanks Alison.

Author:  keren [ 21 Feb 2009, 20:14 ]
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I was reading a book recently that told how the Quackers helped save refugees before the war!

You are so clever.

Author:  andi [ 21 Feb 2009, 23:07 ]
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This drabble gets more and more intriguing! Looking forward to more...

Author:  Alison H [ 22 Feb 2009, 09:23 ]
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“Talking about normal things was our way of stopping ourselves from wondering why the trains were delayed,” he’d added. “We couldn’t bear to let ourselves think about what might have been happening, as I’m sure you can imagine. But it was all right in the end. I just wish that we’d been able to do more … but I’m so glad that at least we were able to do something.” He’d shaken his head sadly. “I can see them now. It’s all as clear as daylight in my memory, even after all this time: I suppose that you never forget something like that. The looks on their faces as they got off those trains: the bewilderment, and the terror … and they were just children.”

Ricki hadn’t had the first idea what he’d been talking about.

And so he’d explained it all to her. How, in November 1938, the British government had agreed that the United Kingdom would take in Jewish refugee children from Nazi Germany and the areas occupied by Nazi Germany; and how the refugees, refused permission to use ports within the Third Reich, had been taken to the Dutch port of the Hook of Holland. And how they’d been met there by Quaker volunteers who’d seen them safely on to ferries bound for Harwich and Southampton and then from there on to trains to Liverpool Street station in London. He and Professor Fry had been two of those volunteers. The operation had rescued a total of approximately ten thousand children.

Ricki had been stunned. She’d never heard her father speak about it. And, when she’d asked him about it, tentatively trying to find the words to explain just how proud of him she was for what he’d done, he’d said that he’d never seen himself as being any sort of hero: that he’d just done what he’d felt to be his duty, that anyone would have done the same, and that that was why he’d never found it necessary to mention it.

She’d wanted to shout out at the top of her voice that not everyone would have done the same at all and that of course he was a hero; but she hadn’t wanted to argue with him, and so instead she’d just asked him quietly to tell her exactly what had happened. And he had done. She’d wept afterwards, thinking of all those young people, none of them older than seventeen, who’d had to leave their homes and families and friends and come to live in a strange land with strange people, in most cases never seeing those they’d had to leave behind again; but she’d wept even more at the thought of those who hadn’t been lucky enough to escape, the full horror of the events of those times brought home to her as never before.

She’d struck up something of a friendship with the Bond family after that; and she and Mr Bond had discussed the Kindertransport, as it was known, on several more occasions: she’d got the impression that he’d been one of the senior figures involved in it, although he’d never actually said so. When the operation had first started most of the children had come from Germany itself, he’d told her, but later on there’d also many children coming from other affected areas, in particular Austria. She’d mentioned to him that the school she’d been at had originally been based in the Austrian, and had had to close down its operations and relocate after the Anschluss. “It’s in Switzerland now, but the people who were there in the Austrian days – a lot of the staff are Old Girls – still speak very fondly about what it was like there,” she’d said. “They were all so happy there: the school’s moved a few times since then but I think they’d all say that they preferred the original location in Austria to any of the locations since. But there was just no way in the world that they could have stayed there with things the way they were.”

He’d nodded in agreement; but then before long they’d fallen to talking about other things, and she couldn’t recall mentioning the school’s history to him again. And so she’d been very surprised when, months and months later, he’d referred to that conversation again; and said that he knew that it was a long shot but did she know whether anyone from her old school might know of any other British schools that had existed in Austria during the 1930s. Or, even – and this really was a long shot, he’d said apologetically – if she knew whether the Austrian location of her old school itself might have been anywhere near a small Tyrolean town called Spartz.

Author:  Lesley [ 22 Feb 2009, 09:54 ]
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Oooooohh - now I wonder what this is going to mean???


Thanks Alison, very intriguing.

Author:  di [ 22 Feb 2009, 10:25 ]
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Well! This is getting more and more intriguing. Who did he rescue from the school- if he did? I don't remember anyone suddenly appearing in Guernsey or disappearing from the school before Anschluss, if it comes to that.
Thanks for the update. Please don't keep us in suspense for too long Alison. :)

Author:  Cath V-P [ 22 Feb 2009, 12:21 ]
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The Goldmanns might have had family that survived the events in Spartz.
I loved Professor Fry's matter of fact approach to what he did - that he did nothing remarkable and that anyone else would have done it. But the point is that they didn't, and these people did.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 22 Feb 2009, 12:27 ]
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I was wondering if it was someone related to the Goldmanns or Vater Stephen? and if this has to do with robin's letter. Love Professor Fry's reaction to Ricki being impressed by it all

Author:  Becky [ 22 Feb 2009, 15:48 ]
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Just found this Alison and it's fab, thank you. Looking forward to finding out where it's going.

Author:  Abi [ 22 Feb 2009, 16:37 ]
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Just read the last few posts - fascinating. Love all the background about Ricki and her father and very intrigued as to where this is going.

Thanks Alison.

Author:  crystaltips [ 22 Feb 2009, 17:37 ]
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Just read this from the beginning - so nice to have more of David-and-Gretchen-verse.
It's all very intriguing - I'm resisting the temptation to read the early books again for clues! :D

Author:  Alison H [ 23 Feb 2009, 08:55 ]
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This isn't 100% relevant, but I've always wanted to have a go at trying to explain Robin's odd-sounding background :lol: :oops: !
Robin had never been unhappy in Montréal. She’d never regretted her decision to take religious vows and she found her life, much of which centred on her role as a teacher, fulfilling. The only thing that saddened her was that she was so far from her family and her old friends; and there was no point dwelling on that because it was something that couldn’t be changed now. The decision that she should enter a convent in Canada rather than one in Britain or Europe had been made over quarter of a century ago; and the decision had been hers.

Having said which, there was no denying the fact that, whilst she’d liked Montréal from the moment she’d first set foot there and she’d liked everything that she’d seen of La Sagesse whilst Josette and Ailie and the triplets had been attending its school, she’d been heavily influenced in her decision by the ominous warnings of Jem Russell and Jack Maynard about her “delicate constitution”, warnings which had intensified following the illness that she’d suffered during the brief time she’d spent in settlement work. The Canadian climate was exactly what somewhere with her chequered medical history needed, they’d both insisted. After all, just look how much good it had done for Margot and Josette.

They’d only been thinking of her: she knew that. They’d only had her best interests at heart, and where they were concerned that usually meant medical interests. Jem in particular was always very anxious about the physical health of members of his family – possibly, she suspected, because he’d never been able to stop wondering if somehow he could have done more for his sister, who’d died whilst only in her forties. And she’d been used from a very early age to being told that she must or mustn’t do this or that because of her health; and Jem and Jack were both highly-respected doctors who knew far more about medical matters than she did.

Perhaps, too, there’d been the fact that in many ways they’d both stood in loco parentis. And she’d been trained from her earliest childhood in the importance of doing as her elders said. She’d come to the conclusion, in her various ponderings on bnhthat subject over the years, that that had been largely because her parents, neither of whom could really have been described as strict or stern, had been anxious that she might, as young children sometimes did, wander off and get into mischief, or inadvertently say something to upset someone; and that they’d been eager to avoid anything like that at all costs, in a community in which they’d never felt entirely comfortable.

Her mother, Marya, had grown up in Warsaw, as one of two children - the other being a sister considerably older then herself. Poland at that time hadn’t existed as an independent state, having been divided between Russia, Austria and Prussia during the second half of the eighteenth century. Napoleon had set up an independent Polish state briefly, but it had only lasted a few years, and the Warsaw of Marya’s girlhood had been firmly under Russian control.

From the Prussian-ruled part of Poland, many people had, following the unification of Germany under Prussian leadership, had moved westwards, to take up jobs in the industrial areas of the Ruhr valley. The son of two of those emigrants, by then living in Cologne, had, shortly before the outbreak of unrest across the Russian Empire in 1905, accompanied his employer on a business trip to Warsaw; and there he’d met Marya’s sister. After a whirlwind courtship, they’d married, and she’d accompanied him back to Germany.

Author:  Emma A [ 23 Feb 2009, 11:04 ]
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Very interesting, Alison - I do like your explanations of Robin's background, and Ricki's discovery of the Kindertransport. Looking forward to more. Thank-you.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 23 Feb 2009, 12:51 ]
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Me too. I especially love all the historical info you add being a bit of an historical buff-not that I know much- but I do love reading about it all. Thanks

Author:  JS [ 23 Feb 2009, 17:35 ]
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I like the history bits too - thanks Alison.

Author:  Abi [ 23 Feb 2009, 21:27 ]
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*echoes the above comments*

I think it's interesting to know more about characters' backgrounds in history. Thank you!

Author:  Cath V-P [ 24 Feb 2009, 00:36 ]
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That was fascinating, seeing people's lives played out against such diverse backgrounds. And it gives Robin a context too.

Author:  di [ 24 Feb 2009, 07:41 ]
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Thanks, Alison. The history of the time does put the story in to context, explaining the whys and wherefores of the action. E.B.D. didn't tell us much of the Robin's background so this is really interesting.
Looking forward to the next part. :)

Author:  Alison H [ 24 Feb 2009, 08:49 ]
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Thanks for the comments.

Seven years later, Marya had received word that her sister was ill. By then, both their parents had been dead and there’d been little to keep her in Warsaw: friends had managed to arrange the necessary documentation for her to travel to Germany and she’d gone. She’d still been there in June 1914, when the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne and his wife, visiting the city of Sarajevo on a Serbian feast day, had been assassinated. And she’d still been there, her brother-in-law killed during the first year of the Great War and her sister dead of consumption two years almost to the day later, in November 1918 when Germany had surrendered.

Cologne, the site of an important bridgehead over the River Rhine, had been considered by the victorious Allies to be too important to be left in German hands, and so it had been occupied by the British Army. And that was how Marya had come to meet Captain Ted Humphries. It had been an unlikely romance but a very real one all the same, and they’d married two years later, in a service presided over by a Catholic priest who’d made no secret of the fact that he wasn’t at all impressed by one of his flock marrying a Protestant and a member of Army of Occupation at that. There’d been few guests. Marya had been regarded as something of an outsider by her acquaintances in Cologne even before her engagement; and the British Army, whilst not expressly forbidding relationships between its soldiers and local women, didn’t exactly encourage them either.

Eventually, Ted had resigned from the Army. He’d wanted to move himself, Marya and the young daughter whom they’d named Cecilia after Marya’s sister but always called by the nickname “Robin” to England; but Marya had resisted the idea. She spoke French reasonably well and German well enough to get by but her English was very limited: if Ted really wanted to go to England then they’d go, but she really didn’t know how she’d cope with living in a country where she wouldn’t be able to understand what people were saying to her or make herself understood to them, she’d said tearfully.

And so they’d remained in Cologne. Ted had struggled to get work. They’d had very little money to live on. And then Marya had become ill. She’d kept insisting that it was nothing, that she’d soon be back to her old self; but it hadn’t been nothing, and when Ted had eventually managed to convince her to see a doctor he’d told them that there was nothing he could do. And then she’d died. Ted had been left a widower, in a foreign country in a state of political and economic chaos, with a six-year-old daughter who kept asking him - in French - where Maman had gone and when she’d be coming back.

Looking back now, Robin could see, and indeed had been able to see for many years, that her father had been so grief-stricken by the death of his wife, and perhaps too still so badly affected by everything that he’d seen during the War, that he’d just wanted to get away from everything that had been familiar to him. But, why she could see why he hadn’t wanted to take his daughter with him to Stalin’s Soviet Union, even now she struggled to understand why he’d taken a job in Stalin’s Soviet Union – unless there’d been more to it than met the eye, but she didn’t really want to think about that too much and considered it unlikely anyway. Surely he could have gone back to some part of Britain where no-one knew him and looked for a position there. Failing that, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa, the United States, some part of Western or Central Europe … any of them would have made more sense than Leningrad, especially in the 1930s. And it had rankled for a very long time, however hard she’d tried to understand and however guilty she’d felt about resenting his actions, that he’d gone away to a place in which he’d felt unable to have her living with him and had left her in the care of people whom she’d never met before in her life.

Author:  keren [ 24 Feb 2009, 09:31 ]
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And she had never been old to enough to discuss this all with him and get the answers to it all, since he got himself killed in a stupid accident! (unless there was something more behind this).

So it is something that was never "closed" for her, and she will always go over this, and ask herself, and never know the answers, or why it happened.

Author:  Emma A [ 24 Feb 2009, 10:32 ]
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That must have been very frightening for her, and not surprising that she's still not really come to terms with it. I always like to think that Ted's job in Russia was for the Intelligence services...

Thanks, Alison: I am enjoying this very much.

Author:  JS [ 24 Feb 2009, 14:41 ]
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Does anyone know what jobs there would have been for someone in Ted's position in Russia? And it was bizarre to leave the child with people who, as far as he knew at the time, were strangers. It's charitable to say (as Alison does) that he was maddened with grief.

Author:  keren [ 24 Feb 2009, 16:33 ]
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JS wrote:
Does anyone know what jobs there would have been for someone in Ted's position in Russia? And it was bizarre to leave the child with people who, as far as he knew at the time, were strangers. It's charitable to say (as Alison does) that he was maddened with grief.

That's the trouble, EBD has all these strange story lines that we have to "find excuses" for

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 25 Feb 2009, 00:04 ]
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Poor Robin, it's hard when you have all these questions about your childhood that can never be answered. And to try and forgive

Author:  Miss Di [ 25 Feb 2009, 04:39 ]
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Fascinating - both the "real" history and the characters background information. Thanks Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 25 Feb 2009, 08:43 ]
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It had really been only a very fortunate coincidence that Madge Bettany had turned out to be the daughter of an old friend of Ted’s: the Chalet School had been recommended by Herr Anserl, an acquaintance of his who happened to give music lessons to some of its pupils and who’d had no idea that he had any sort of connection with its headmistress. And it had only been by great good luck that Madge and Joey had been the sort of people they were, willing to welcome a little stranger into their lives and treat her as one of their own. Grief-stricken though Robin had been when Ted had died, by then the Bettany-Russell clan had been as much her family as he was; and so they’d remained. She’d lived with them, first the Russells’ home and then Joey and Jack’s home being her home too, until the day she’d entered La Sagesse.

Thinking about it now, all that talk about delicacy and climates, however well-intentioned, seemed faintly ridiculous. Montréal got more rain than Britain did, for one thing! And she’d never actually had a serious illness in her life, thankfully: yes, she’d been unwell for a time shortly after beginning her settlement work, but it was a very rare and fortunate person who’d never been ill! Margot Maynard had had far worse health problems as a child than she’d ever done, but no-one was objecting to the idea of her becoming a medical missionary and quite possibly being sent to work in some of the most unhealthy climates on the planet.

Still, as she often told herself, there was no point regretting her decision now. Anyway, she didn’t regret it, not really. How could she, when she’d always been so contented here at La Sagesse? It just saddened her that all those people who meant so much to her were now people whom she never saw.

She couldn’t realistically expect them to visit her in Canada, and, well aware of the time and expense involved, she didn’t. At one time the Maynards had insisted that they’d be over to visit as soon as they’d saved up enough for the fare, but that was before their family had grown even larger than it had been during their own time in Canada, and Madge and Jem’s priority when it came to travel these days had to be visiting their three elder children who now all lived outside the U.K.. However, she’d been very hurt that none of them had come to see her during her time in Arles. It also upset her that Joey’s Margot hadn’t written to her to ask for her advice, which she would have so gladly have given, on taking religious vows. Then again, they hadn’t seen each other since Margot had been a child of ten: maybe it was no wonder that she hadn’t thought to turn to someone who must seem almost like a stranger to her now.

She wondered what Margot was like now. It was difficult to tell from other people’s letters. She could certainly never have imagined the child she’d known all those years ago entering religious orders. Margot as she remembered her had been as impulsive as Joey could be and as quick-tempered as Jack could be, all too frequently almost completely lacking in self-control. Fond though she’d always been of her, Margot was the last one of the Maynard triplets she’d have seen turning to the religious life, a long way behind introspective Con and responsible, self-disciplined Len.

Well, people moved on: wasn’t she was always telling herself that? Margot was probably a very different person now. And she hoped very much that she’d be happy in the life she’d chosen for herself. As happy as Con was: she could tell from Con’s letters that Con was happy. Was Len, married for over three years now to Reg Entwistle, living on the Gornetz Platz and teaching at the Chalet School, she wondered? She hoped so. Although she’d never had quite the close tie with Len that she had with Con, she’d felt for the eldest of the triplets, often. Len had seemed to feel bound always to obey, always to do what was expected of her, never to act on impulse, without pausing to think what the consequences of her actions might be.

She’d been like that herself as a young girl. Only once had she acted on pure instinct. And it might not have been the most sensible thing to do; but it had been right. It had been the only thing she could have done, even though, in the end, it had achieved nothing and led her and everyone who’d been with her that day into danger.

Author:  JB [ 25 Feb 2009, 09:33 ]
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This is my breakfast time treat each morning as I drink my coffee.

Author:  JS [ 25 Feb 2009, 10:05 ]
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Ooh-er, think we're getting to the nub of it now....
Thanks Alison.

Author:  Cat C [ 25 Feb 2009, 10:05 ]
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Argh! Still on tenter-hooks to find out where all this is going!

Still, can't complain about any lack of regular updates :D

Author:  JS [ 25 Feb 2009, 10:06 ]
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Ooh-er, think we're getting to the nub of it now....
Thanks Alison.

Author:  Emma A [ 25 Feb 2009, 10:30 ]
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Poor Robin. She did seem curiously ignored by her "family" after entering her convent (the odd letter is mentioned). I guess this is something to do with what she's asked Con to do for her...

Thanks, Alison.

Author:  Cath V-P [ 25 Feb 2009, 13:22 ]
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How hard for Robin, to have this mixture of fact and speculation and to know that some questions will remain unanswered.

Author:  leahbelle [ 25 Feb 2009, 14:08 ]
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Thanks, Alison. Robin's history is something that has always intruiged me, so this is really interesting.

Author:  Abi [ 25 Feb 2009, 18:17 ]
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Interesting to see Robin's musings - it must have seemed hurtful that the family were so little in contact with her after she entered her convent.

Thanks Alison.

Author:  andi [ 25 Feb 2009, 23:52 ]
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Really interested to see what happens next! I suspect something to do with the Goldmanns

Author:  Miss Di [ 26 Feb 2009, 03:43 ]
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Mmmmm I was thinking the Goldmans too.

Author:  di [ 26 Feb 2009, 07:44 ]
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It is interesting to see Robin's perspective on her life as a child and her musings over the triplets now they're adults. Can't wait to see where this is leading.
Thanks, Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 26 Feb 2009, 08:50 ]
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It had been over thirty-five years ago; but sometimes she could still hear the shouts of the baying mob, feel their hatred, and see the naked fear on the face of a peaceable, elderly man who’d never done any harm to anyone. She’d leapt out of her chair, run out of the Gasthaus in which she’d been enjoying coffee and cake with her friends as she’d done so many times before, and gone to him.

It had been Jack Maynard who’d broken the news to her that Herr Goldmann was dead, shot in cold blood in his home, that Frau Goldmann had been shot alongside him and died of her injuries, and that Vater Johann had been attacked for assisting the Chalet School party and been hurt so badly that he was going to die too. Her first reaction had been to cry out that it was all her fault; but Jack had told her firmly to put that thought out of her mind at once. Hans Bocher and the others had been intent on murder and all her actions had done had been to delay the inevitable, he’d said. And maybe, in fact certainly, he’d added gently, to show a terrified man that there was still some humanity left in a world which had gone mad.

In the panic which had ensued - that horrible, frightening journey back to the Sonnalpe with Herr Borkel, the flight with Jack and that terrible moment at which they’d been saved only by Jack knocking together the heads of the two spies who’d spotted them, and then the trek over the mountains with Nell Wilson struggling to walk, Joey almost hysterical and always, always the fear of what would happen if they were caught - it hadn’t occurred to her how the Goldmanns’ relatives would feel when they were told of the couple’s murders. In fact, she hadn’t even known that they’d had any relatives, except for each other. Until she’d read that letter.

It had been signed “Richenda Fry”.

Author:  Eilidh [ 26 Feb 2009, 09:23 ]
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Oooooooh!

Thank you Alison :)

Author:  shazwales [ 26 Feb 2009, 09:35 ]
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Thank you this gets better and better!

Author:  JS [ 26 Feb 2009, 10:01 ]
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I wasn't expecting that last line. Thanks Alison.

Author:  Emma A [ 26 Feb 2009, 10:25 ]
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It all begins to link up! Thank-you, Alison. Very interested to see how this works out (have you finished writing it?).

Author:  abbeybufo [ 26 Feb 2009, 10:29 ]
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This is coming together in a very satisfactory manner - most intriguing.

If Rikki has been in touch with people who were sent over on the kindertransport, then the Chalet connection would probably have come up even if she hadn't been specifically asked about Spartz. Wonder if the Goldmann's relations think she made things worse or better? :shock: :shock:

Still wondering where Con fits in, too . . .

Thank you, Alison :D

Author:  Joey [ 26 Feb 2009, 10:49 ]
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Oh wow, Alison, I've just caught up with a week's worth of posts (I should be working) and I'm in tears. I caught my breath when Mr Bond mentioned the Hook of Holland, and sure enough, it was the Kindertransport. I love the way you've included the history to explain things that EBD didn't think needed explaining.

I don't want to wait a whole day for the next bit!

Incidentally, I liked Gretchen and David, but could you point me in the direction of the drabble(s) that tell their story? Thanks.

Author:  Becky [ 26 Feb 2009, 11:03 ]
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Fab as always, Alison, thank you :D

Author:  Cath V-P [ 26 Feb 2009, 12:33 ]
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Ohhh, fascinating! The more you think about it, the more you realise how unusual it must have been to have an event like this in a children's book in 1940.... EBD may have been a bit out of touch with the world by the time the series ended, but she was frighteningly realistic here.

Thank you Alison.

Author:  Mona [ 26 Feb 2009, 13:57 ]
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This is wonderful, Alison. I'm really looking forward to seeing how you tie all the threads together.

Author:  Cat C [ 26 Feb 2009, 15:38 ]
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Hmmmm, interesting. I await tomorrow's installment eagerly!

Author:  di [ 26 Feb 2009, 18:14 ]
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Ahh, things are becoming clearer now. I hadn't really thought about the fact that Robin would blame herself for the death of the Goldmanns and Vater Johann. Poor child! I don't remember Jack knocking the heads of 2 spies together but my memory is of Joey being quite stoic until they were safe. I shall have to go back to the book![one of my favourites]
What comes next I wonder? Hurry up with the next part, Alison - and, of course, thanks for the regular updates. :)

Author:  Miss Di [ 27 Feb 2009, 03:36 ]
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Is it tomorrow yet?

Di, from memory, Jack Robin and Joey get stopped by the gestapo during the escape and one of them recognises Robin's dark beauty. Jack knocks their heads together and they get away.
Joey has several near hysterical moments in Exile and a near nervous breakdown when they arrive in Switzerland. Certainly what we would now call post traumatic stress. I hope you have a hardback or GGB edition of Exile. If you only have the abridged version you are missing a lot!

Author:  Lesley [ 27 Feb 2009, 06:24 ]
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Missed this yesterday - yes Poor Robin could well blame herself. Interested in what comes next.


Thanks Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 27 Feb 2009, 08:22 ]
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Hope this bit's OK because it was awkward to write.

Long train journeys might pass quickly when you were in the company of a large group of friends and you were all busy exchanging news about what you’d done during the holidays just ended or what you planned to do during the holidays just beginning; but, Ricki reflected, they could really drag, however excited you might be about getting to your destination, when you had no-one to talk to, you’d finished the book you were reading and the person sitting next to you was snoring loudly enough to wake the dead. She gazed out of the window, wondering exactly where they were: it was difficult to tell just from looking at fields which were all there were to see at that moment. Somewhere in West Germany, at any rate.

Germany. She was in Germany. The very word could still arouse strong passions at home. What was more, so could the word Austria. Nanny had looked shocked and pursed her mouth disapprovingly when Ricki had first mentioned, on a weekend visit home during the autumn, that she and Con Maynard were planning to take a ski-ing trip to that country. Of course, Richenda was old enough to decide what she did and where she went, she’d muttered darkly, but she was surprised, very surprised indeed in fact, that she should have chosen to holiday in a country which had more or less opened its doors and welcomed Nazi Germany’s troops in in 1938. In vain had Ricki tried to calm the situation by saying that Austria had been invaded and annexed by Germany. Yes well, that wasn’t how it had looked on the newsreels at the time, Nanny had said sharply. People standing in the streets and waving and cheering, making Nazi salutes and throwing flowers at the Wehrmacht troops. Funny sort of invasion, that.

Ricki had tried to change the subject by talking about how excited she was at the prospect of going to see some of the events at the Winter Olympics live; but Nanny, not usually one to argue, hadn’t been willing to let the point go. She’d lost a cousin on the Somme, another cousin at Passchendaele and before that an uncle at Ladysmith, she’d said loudly; and she didn’t hold anyone responsible for their deaths and she didn’t harbour any ill-will to anyone because of them. Bad things happened in wartime: it was tragic but that was how it was and that was how it always had been. But the events of the Second World War period – now that was different. She remembered the pictures there’d been in the newspapers when the concentration camps had been liberated. She remembered the Nuremberg trials. She remembered the accounts that had been given of what had happened. She’d never forget them.

She’d shaken her head. If Richenda wanted to go to Austria, then that was up to her. But you wouldn’t catch her setting foot there. Never in a million years.

Ricki had eventually succeeded in changing the subject. Afterwards, just wanting to enjoy looking forward to her holiday, she’d tried not to dwell too much on what Nanny had said, or on the similar comments that she’d had from some of her work colleagues when she’d told them where she was going; but that had been easier said than done, and she’d found herself thinking about it a lot, trying to get it all straight in her head but never quite succeeding. The Nazis had committed the worst crimes in human history. That must never be forgotten. But she’d known German girls at school, after all – she’d been quite pally with Carmela Walther - and they’d been no different to anyone else. And why should they have been? They’d only been young children during the War. And the horrific crimes committed by the Nazi regime had been carried out by a minority, not by entire populations.

And Austria wasn’t even Germany. Austria was Austria. She’d bought a guidebook about the country when Con had first mentioned the idea of a holiday in Tyrol, wanting to learn more about it, and she’d been entranced by what she’d read. Lakes and mountains. Coffee and apple strudel. Elegant city streets. Singing and waltzes. And, of course, winter sports. That was why she was going to Austria: those were the things that she wanted to see and do.

But, at the same time, there was always that knowledge of what had happened in Austria in the years between the Anschluss and the end of the Second World War. She was actually carrying a tangible reminder of it with her. Reaching inside her bag - and ignoring the guidebook, which was lying at the top of it - she drew out that letter. And read it. Again.

Author:  shazwales [ 27 Feb 2009, 08:37 ]
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Thank you Alison,looking forward to hearing about 'the letter'!

Author:  Emma A [ 27 Feb 2009, 10:06 ]
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Yes, me too. Not surprising Nanny would have that kind of attitude: she would have lived through it, whereas Ricki (and Con, too) would have been too young for it to have made much of an impression on her.

Thanks, Alison - it's lovely to have a new part of this every morning to read. :)

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 27 Feb 2009, 10:43 ]
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Thanks Alison, am really enjoying this. And how you're linking it all up :lol:

Author:  Sarah_G-G [ 27 Feb 2009, 11:20 ]
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Ooh, the plot thickens! I've just caught up on three days' worth of this and I'm really interested to see exactly how it all links together.

Author:  PaulineS [ 27 Feb 2009, 16:40 ]
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Thanks Alison I have been moved by your drabble which I have just caught up with after a week away from the board.

Author:  brie [ 27 Feb 2009, 17:01 ]
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Alison I'm absolutely loving this. Robin is lovely, and all the historical information is so interesting.

thanks

Author:  Elder in Ontario [ 27 Feb 2009, 17:07 ]
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Nanny's reaction is indeed quite typical of the people of her generation, who lived through those years as adults. And I'm really curious to learn the contents of Ricki's letter.

Author:  Lesley [ 27 Feb 2009, 21:35 ]
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Understandable reaction from Nanny.


Thanks Alison

Author:  Abi [ 28 Feb 2009, 01:03 ]
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Not surprising Nanny reacted like that. Wonder what the exact connection between the threads is?

Author:  Cath V-P [ 28 Feb 2009, 02:10 ]
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Nanny's reaction is so believable given her age and memories. And I wonder how Richenda will succeed in reconciling the two different perspectives of Austria that she has.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 28 Feb 2009, 07:18 ]
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Oh Allison, where are you? :megaphone: It's time to get up, your fans await! (Especially the ones who have been up all day already. You're ruining your wonderful reputation of posting every day! :lol: :wink: )

Author:  Alison H [ 28 Feb 2009, 09:05 ]
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I was just taking the washing out of the washing machine and putting it in the dryer!“Dear Mr Bond,

“You don’t know me, but my name is Sarah Goldmann and I hope that, when I explain the reason for my letter, you’ll forgive me for taking the liberty of writing to a stranger. I was one of the children who came from Vienna to the Hook of Holland to be taken on to Britain in early 1939; and I understand that you were one of the individuals instrumental in organising our rescue. I can never thank you and the rest of those involved enough, although I have to confess that I’m writing now to beg a favour. I’ll understand if you don’t have the time to look into my request, and indeed it’s quite possible that you won’t be able to answer it anyway as I’m aware that it’s something of a “long shot”; but I hope very much that you won’t mind my asking.

“Perhaps you’ll allow me to tell you a little about myself. My family weren’t from Vienna originally: I grew up in Innsbruck, in the Tyrol area in the west of Austria. The anti-Jewish attacks of November 1938 were of a particularly brutal nature in Innsbruck, even compared to those in other parts of Austria and Germany; and not long afterwards my parents and maternal grandparents decided that we should leave the city and go to Vienna. They believed that we’d be safer there, where there were many thousands of Jewish families, than in Innsbruck where the Jewish community was very small. Of course, that proved not to be the case; and I was sent to Britain in January 1939. I was nine years old then.

“A foster family was found for me, in London; and – although I think they often found it difficult to know what to say to me – they were very kind to me and I was well looked after. When I was eighteen, I was lucky enough to win a scholarship which enabled me to go to university, and after getting my degree I was able to get a reasonable job and start supporting myself. I stayed in Britain for a few years after that, but then I came to live in New York City.

“Perhaps I just wanted to try to put the Old World behind me. I’d learned by then, from those wonderful organisations who’ve worked so hard to reunite people who escaped or survived what the Nazis did with family members who also survived, and to give those whose relatives perished at least the peace of mind of knowing for certain what happened to them, that my mother, my father and my mother’s parents had all been deported from Vienna to the ghetto set up by the Nazis in Lodz, in Poland. My grandmother and grandfather had died there. My mother had been murdered at Chelmo in 1942, and my father at Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1944.

“None of my other relatives survived either, as far as I know. My father’s parents, who lived in a small town called Spartz, about thirty miles from Innsbruck, had been killed before I even left Austria. We were informed by the authorities only that they had died, but when my father went to Spartz to arrange for them to be brought to Innsbruck for burial - there was no Jewish cemetery in Spartz – he learnt that they’d been murdered by a hate mob who’d attacked my grandfather in the street and then killed both him and my grandmother in their own home. I don’t know the exact details. I was only a young child at the time: maybe my father knew more than he felt able to tell me. One thing he did tell me, though, was that someone saw my grandfather being attacked and tried to help him.

Author:  shazwales [ 28 Feb 2009, 09:22 ]
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Wow :!: Thankyou this is brilliant.

Author:  Lesley [ 28 Feb 2009, 09:30 ]
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Perhaps this will help Robin, knowing that a relative of the Goldmanns is aware that she tried to help.


Thanks Alison.

Author:  Abi [ 28 Feb 2009, 10:46 ]
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Wot Lesley said :) . Hopefully this should help Robin.

Thanks Alison.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 28 Feb 2009, 11:02 ]
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And she lives in New York so would be able to finally meet the girl who did try to save them. It would be an almost Schindler moment. (Where in the movie you see how many Oskar Schindler saved and then all their children)

I know it's not the same but for Sarah, it would mean the world that she tried. Thanks Allison.

(Yes SLOC, we can watch the movie now Allison has posted!! Got to get the priorities right! :lol: :wink: :P)

Author:  JS [ 28 Feb 2009, 11:17 ]
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Two lovely, meaty episodes to catch up on - very moving. Thanks Alison.

Author:  di [ 28 Feb 2009, 11:21 ]
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Thanks, Alison. I've just caught up with the last 2 posts and am spellbound. Out of all the children saved by Schindler what are the odds that one of the ones to contact Mr. Fry should have a connection [however loose] to The Chalet School. Even more extraordinary is the fact that out of all the friends Richenda could have made she was friends with Con whose adopted aunt was the one who tried to help Sarah's grandfather. [Well yes, I know this is fiction but, hey, it seems real to me!]
More, more, pretty please, Alison. :)

Author:  Maeve [ 28 Feb 2009, 12:11 ]
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Just read all of this in one fell swoop this morning, Alison, and am loving it like everyone else -- it's really brilliant. I'm a history person myself and am fascinated by all the historical background you're filling in.

Only problem with catching up, is that now I have to wait for the next part :(

More, please :)

Author:  ibarhis [ 28 Feb 2009, 23:45 ]
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I'm confused - has there been a reference to Schindler in the fic? In my head Schindler was one thing and the Kindertransport was another...

Author:  Miss Di [ 01 Mar 2009, 07:36 ]
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My gosh Alison, this is fab.

Author:  Alison H [ 01 Mar 2009, 09:09 ]
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There's no connection with Schindler. Thanks for your comments: this has been difficult to write and I wasn't sure how it'd go down with people.

“My father was told that a young girl, not a local girl but a foreign girl, who somehow – I don’t know how or why - knew my grandfather, tried to help him. Apparently she was in one of the cafés or shops nearby, saw what was happening, and ran over and put her arms round him. Plenty of people must have seen what was happening – it was in a busy part of town - but this young girl was the only one who had the courage and the humanity to try to do anything about it.

“She was with some other girls, and when she went to my grandfather’s aid they followed her, and they got involved too. My father would have liked to be able to find out who they were and to thank them, especially that terribly brave and compassionate girl who took the lead, but you’ll understand that after what had happened he didn’t want to stay in Spartz any longer than he had to, or to risk the authorities finding out that he’d been asking questions. So I know very few details, only that they were from a foreign boarding school which was based somewhere in the area and which, as my father was told that one of them shouted at the crowd in English, I would think must have been British.

“I never thought that I’d go back to Austria, or indeed to any part of mainland Europe, but my job is going to take me to France for two months at some point in the not too distant future, probably some time early next year, and increasingly I’m find myself thinking that maybe the time’s come for me to see Innsbruck and Spartz again – to try to lay a few ghosts to rest, if there’s any way that I can. And, the more that I think about that, the more I think that I’d like, if it’s at all possible, to find the girl – the woman, as she’ll be now – who went to help my poor grandfather. Partly so that I can thank her for what she did; and partly, I have to own, because I’ve never known exactly what happened that day and I feel that, both for my grandparents’ sake and my own, I need to. Maybe that sounds strange, but I survived when the rest of my family didn’t and somehow I feel that I owe it to them, morbid as it may seem, to try to find out as much as possible about how they died.

“The most likely way that I can think of of trying to trace her is through the school, if it’s still in existence. I know that British boarding schools often have associations for former pupils, and I thought that someone there might be able to give me some sort of current contact details for her, or at least be willing to send a letter on to her. There must be someone there who knows who she is: an incident of that nature wouldn’t easily be forgotten, surely.

“Obviously a British school – assuming that it was a British school but, as I’ve said, it seems likely that it was – operating in Austria must have closed down once it became clear that war was imminent, or maybe even before that. I have actually made enquiries as to whether there are any foreign schools in the Spartz area now, on the offchance that it might have reopened; but there aren’t. However, I’m clinging to the hope that, rather than closing for good, it might have started up again back in Britain and still exist now.

“Even if it is still in existence, I realise that my chances of finding it, given that I don’t even know what it was called and that indeed its name may well have changed from whatever it was in Austria, are slim. But I have to try, and so I’m asking everyone whom I can think of to ask if they know of any way in which I might be able to find something out. I know that the wonderful people in Britain who organised the Kindertransport had contacts with good people in Austria who helped to arrange our departure, and so that’s why I’m writing to you.

“Again, I hope that you don’t mind my asking your help; and I know that it’s a “long shot”, as the expression goes; but please, if you do know of any way in which I might be able to find out of this school, may I ask you to contact me and let me know? For the reasons which I’ve explained, it would mean a great deal to me.

“And now it just remains for me to thank you again for everything that you did for me and the other children whom you helped, Mr Bond. Words of thanks aren’t enough; but they’re all that I have to give, and I give them with all my heart. It’s the knowledge that there are people in the world like you, and like the young girl who helped my grandfather, which enables me to retain hope even after everything.

“I am,

“Yours sincerely,

“Sarah Goldmann.”

Author:  abbeybufo [ 01 Mar 2009, 10:35 ]
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This is so moving Alison - glad that Sarah Goldmann knows Robin was trying to help - how odd that she is nearer where Robin is situated now than she will be when she comes to Europe!

Thank you for writing this - I'm sure it is difficult sometimes - these themes are so emotional - but so far, to me at least, you've pitched it perfectly :D

Author:  Clare [ 01 Mar 2009, 10:41 ]
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This is just brilliant Alison, so much detail and it all fits in so perfectly. I had never considered Robin's guilt before - which seems strange now because of course she would have wondered wether she had made the situation worse. Thank you for writing this, I'm looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.

Author:  Lesley [ 01 Mar 2009, 10:55 ]
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Thanks Alison - it makes sense that Sarah would want to find out more.

Author:  Elbee [ 01 Mar 2009, 11:17 ]
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This is brilliantly written, Alison, and very moving. Thank you.

Author:  di [ 01 Mar 2009, 11:23 ]
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I don't know why I mixed up Schindler and the Kindertransport - call it a senior moment, of which I'm getting far too many! Of course, Kindertransport was something entirely different.
I hope that Sarah and Robin do get to meet-it will help both of them greatly.
Thank you, Alison.

Author:  PaulineS [ 01 Mar 2009, 16:34 ]
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Thank you Alison. It was a good job Ruey and Mr Bond had spoken about their experiences to each oth as they will be able to answer Sarah's question between them, which they would not have been able to do on their own.

Author:  Elder in Ontario [ 01 Mar 2009, 18:57 ]
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This is really fascinating, and I suspect Ricki is beginning to feel excited that she will have answers for Sarah. We hear so much about Sir Nicolas Winton's work with the Kindertransport programme that I for one, sometimes forget that others must have helped him in so many ways - like the involvement of Quakers such as Mr Bond and PRofessor Fry. And naturally no-one saw what they were doing as heroic - it was simpy something which needed to be done if these children were to escape the Hitler regime.

Thanks, Alison.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 02 Mar 2009, 05:25 ]
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I know I was the one who probably confused people with my comment that it was like a Schindler moment. :oops: There's a scene at the end of Schindler's List where you see all the people Oskar Schindler saved and their children and you realise how many her actually saved. I know Robin didn't save the Goldman's but she did try and that would mean the world to Sarah especially if she also got to meet her. Whish is what I meant by a Schindler moment.

Thanks Alison for the update. Really like all the references to history

Author:  Kathy_S [ 02 Mar 2009, 06:00 ]
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Very interesting twists!

Re/ Robin and the visits, I was always surprised they didn't materialize, but after a recent talk with a woman who belonged to a teaching order, which I'd have thought would be less restrictive, am now wondering what policies EBD had encountered. Apparently my friend's order's "visit days" were incredibly limited pre-Vatican II. The families would bring picnics on the designated summer afternoon, but their daughter/sister wasn't allowed to eat in their presence -- was supposed to say she wasn't hungry. Exeats for funerals of only the very closest relatives were permitted, and even secular toilets were forbidden, causing serious problems when my friend was sent to a class outside the convent. (Note: Friend still says she doesn't at all regret her years in the order.)

Author:  Alison H [ 02 Mar 2009, 08:45 ]
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That's really interesting, Kathy. Fancy not being able to use "secular toilets" :roll: . Hope this next bit isn't too waffly, but I wanted to involve Con so had to get Ricki to decide to contact her!

After Mr Bond had told her of the contents of the letter, Ricki had racked her brain, trying to remember everything that she’d ever been told about the events of that terrible day in Spartz. A group of girls had gone on a shopping expedition; she remembered that; and that was how they’d come to see the attack on Sarah Goldmann’s grandfather. They’d gone to try to help him, but tragically the day had ended in murder even so. And then they’d had to leave the country for fear of arrest by the Nazi authorities. She was sure of that much, but who exactly had been involved? Hadn’t Miss Wilson been there? She had a recollection of some bizarre tale about reddish hair suddenly turning white. And Mrs Maynard had been there too, but she couldn’t have been a pupil then. Who else, though? In particular, who’d been the girl that Miss Goldmann had specifically referred to in her letter?

The easiest thing to have done would have been to give Mr Bond the school’s name and address, for him to forward on to Miss Goldmann, and to allow Miss Wilson, Miss Annersley or maybe even Mrs Maynard to deal with the matter from then on; but she hadn’t been able to help feeling that she had some sort of responsibility in this herself now. Her father had been so brave … some unknown fellow Chalet School Old Girls had been so brave … she had a duty to try to ensure that this was dealt with in the best way possible, she’d felt, and she hadn’t been quite sure that just suggesting that Sarah Goldmann contact the school had been it.

It was unlikely, but it was possible – people didn’t always like being faced with traumatic incidents from the past – that the person concerned might not feel able to speak or even to write to the Goldmanns’ granddaughter. It was also possible that she might be someone for whom the school had no contact details. It was even possible that she might no longer be alive. At first she’d told herself not to be morbid when that last thought had occurred to her; but then something had stirred in her memory, and she’d remembered that one of the girls involved had passed away. Mélanie Lucas’s aunt. Yes, that was right. It was coming back to her now. She remembered Con telling her about it, after that holiday that Mélanie had had with the Maynards at the Tiernsee. Mélanie’s aunt had definitely been one of the people involved, and she’d drowned when a ship on which she’d been travelling to America had sunk.

Suppose she’d been the person who’d gone to stand with Herr Goldmann? Or suppose either of her first two concerns proved indeed to be the case? If it were so, then Miss Goldmann would have to be told; but it seemed cruel, she’d thought – and Mr Bond, when she’d discussed it with him, had agreed - to raise her hopes by just writing to her with the school’s address if there were any way that she, Ricki, could find out any more first.

Whom should she contact, she’d wondered? She’d considered writing to Miss Wilson, but she’d never really known Miss Wilson very well and hadn’t felt entirely comfortable with the idea of contacting her about something like this. Mrs Maynard, then? Mrs Maynard had certainly been there as well, and also she was also generally the best person to ask about any aspect of the school’s past – in fact, hadn’t she written a book based on what had happened in Spartz - and about what any particular Old Girl was doing now. That was the best bet, she’d decided. She’d write to Mrs Maynard.

But, as she’d taken up her pen to write her letter, she’d suddenly started having nagging doubts about that idea too. What if being reminded of it all in so tangible a way upset Mrs Maynard too much? It must have been the most horrifically distressing experience, to say the least, for all concerned; and she could have been wrong but she had the vague impression from various things she’d heard over the years that Mrs Maynard didn’t always handled traumatic experiences very well. Maybe Mrs Maynard wasn’t the right person to approach after all. Maybe she would actually be better writing to Miss Wilson. But she’d been through this in her mind already. Mrs Maynard would definitely be the best person to contact.

Eventually, she’d confessed to Mr Bond that she hadn’t been sure what to do for the best; and he’d asked if maybe there was someone who was close to this Mrs Maynard and could approach her on their behalf.

She hadn’t been able to believe that she hadn’t thought of that herself. Of course. The triplets, Len and Con in particular, knew nearly as much about the school’s history as their mother did. In fact, they’d probably be able to tell her all she need to know themselves. If not, they’d certainly be able to advise her on the best way to go about approaching their mother, or whether it was in fact best to approach Miss Wilson instead. That was what she’d do, she’d concluded. She’d get in touch with Len or Con.

Author:  keren [ 02 Mar 2009, 09:47 ]
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Not waffly,
fine

Author:  Emma A [ 02 Mar 2009, 10:51 ]
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Caught up on three updates, so very happy :D This is very moving, Alison, even told at second-hand, through Sarah's letter and Ricki's trying to think what to do for the best. This would be so good for both Robin and Sarah, I think, and I do hope both can come to terms with what happened.

Thank-you.

Author:  Cat C [ 02 Mar 2009, 15:09 ]
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I really liked that last installment! Lovely to get all that undecided internal monologue... And she thought about it so carefully too - rather than just quickly writing back about the school and all she could remember, with everyone's contact details (which is what I suspect I'd be doing :oops: )

Author:  Lesley [ 02 Mar 2009, 21:38 ]
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Yes, that makes sense as to why she would contact Con.


Thanks Alison

Author:  Miss Di [ 03 Mar 2009, 02:54 ]
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Thanks Alison, Ricki's internal thought process was fascinating.

Author:  Cath V-P [ 03 Mar 2009, 04:41 ]
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Fascinating to see just how this has all come about, especially the way in which Ricki has decided to approach Con.

Author:  di [ 03 Mar 2009, 07:36 ]
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Lovely. Thanks, Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 03 Mar 2009, 08:49 ]
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The next decision had been which of them to contact. Len was the one on the spot, living on the Gornetz Platz close to her mother. And in some ways Len had always seemed to be closer to her mother than had Con, or indeed Margot for that matter.

Then again, maybe that was just because Mrs Maynard had always relied on Len so much – too much, in Ricki’s opinion. And was Len really the best person to involve in something as complex as this? She was a lovely person, and always ready to try to help others; but her experience of life had been so narrow. Even her time at university didn’t seem to have made much impact on her: the impression Ricki had got was that she’d rarely left the cloistered world of her Oxford college during her student years, and as soon as she’d finished her degree she’d gone straight back to the Platz. In the card Ricki had had from her the previous Christmas, she’d written about little other than Reg, the School and her younger siblings.

There was nothing wrong with that, Ricki supposed, so long as Len was happy … but would Len know how to handle something like this? None of them could really begin to know how the murders of Herr and Frau Goldmann had affected their granddaughter, or even how it had affected those Chalet School girls who’d been in Spartz that day … but Len, even though as the wife and daughter of doctors she was sadly not unfamiliar with tragedy, had led such a sheltered life where human acts were concerned. She’d never even had to deal with a burglary, or with the fact that there were men whose intentions towards a girl they’d approached might be questionable. Was she really the best person to approach on a matter concerning such almost unimaginable human evil as this?


Con, then? But at school Con had all too frequently been lacking in tact, and if ever a situation had been likely to require careful handling then this one had. Oh, what on earth was she going to do? Maybe it would be better to write directly to Mrs Maynard or Miss Wilson after all. She’d tied herself in knots about it, and ended up reducing herself to tears.

Once she’d calmed down, she’d thought it all through again, and, the more she’d thought about it, the more it had seemed that the logical thing to do would be to contact Con. All right, Con had been tactless on occasion at school, but that had been years ago: they’d all grown up a lot since then. And she could remember many occasions on which Con had shown a real depth of understanding of other people, often realising that there was a problem when no-one else had. And certainly no-one could say that Con, who’d been working in journalism for several years now, didn’t know about real life.

At the end of the day, she’d had to accept, this was going to be difficult whomever she contacted. But the best way of approaching it, she’d eventually concluded, was to write to Con. And so that had been what she’d done.

She’d waited anxiously for Con’s reply. She hadn’t had to wait long. Con hadn’t written back: she’d actually rung her at work. She’d explained that she’d be moving down to London herself soon, and would in fact be coming down that weekend to start looking around for somewhere to live. Could she and Ricki possibly meet up? It would be lovely to see Ricki again, she’d said; and maybe Ricki could give her some advice about looking for a flat to rent in London.

And, of course, and most importantly, they could talk about Sarah Goldmann’s letter.

Author:  Maeve [ 03 Mar 2009, 09:13 ]
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Hurray! More of this! Thanks, Alison.

Author:  shazwales [ 03 Mar 2009, 09:14 ]
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Thank you this is lovely.

Author:  Emma A [ 03 Mar 2009, 10:36 ]
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This is great, Alison - really enjoying Ricki's decision-making process - but I question her reading of Len's experience of the world. After all, it was she who protected Copper and provided the distraction for the bad guys in Redheads - but perhaps Ricki didn't know about that.

Thank-you (and for posting so regularly! It's great to have a new update to look forward to).

Author:  wheelchairprincess [ 03 Mar 2009, 14:24 ]
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Just caught up on the last four updates. My only complaint about them being that there were only four for me to catch up on. Can't wait to see where you take this next Alison, it's great.

Author:  Abi [ 03 Mar 2009, 15:32 ]
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Have just read the last three parts - it's so interesting to see the way Ricki has thought this out so carefully. Thanks Alison.

Author:  di [ 03 Mar 2009, 18:16 ]
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Interesting that Ricki didn't consider Margot; perhaps she doesn't know that she is a Dr. and nun now. Surely she'd be the best -but I can understand why -the Margot at school bears nothing in resemblance to the woman she has become. Glad she's contacted Con and that they'll be able to meet up very soon.
Thanks, Alison.

Author:  Joey [ 03 Mar 2009, 20:27 ]
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It's such a treat to have daily updates, Alison! This is so good.

Thank you!

Author:  Alison H [ 04 Mar 2009, 08:47 ]
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As she’d waited for Con in the London bar where they’d arrived, Ricki, despite everything, had suddenly been overcome by a fit of the giggles. What on earth would the mistresses from the Chalet School have to say if they could see her sitting on her own in a bar? Then again, she’d often suspected that some of them got up to plenty of things that didn’t comply with school etiquette on their weekends off! She’d still been giggling to herself when she’d seen Con walk in, and at that point she’d managed to stop, and had stood up and waved to her friend, who’d seen her at once and come straight over.

“Sorry I’m a bit late, Ricki. The Tube stopped in the middle of nowhere and it was ages before it got going again, and in the meantime they didn’t tell us a thing about what was going on!”

“Sounds about right!” Ricki had laughed. “Happens to me all the time – usually when I’m on my way home from work. Welcome to London! And look at you! You look absolutely brilliant, Con. I love your hair – and I love that skirt as well! Not everyone can wear mini-skirts but they look great on you; they really do. It’s lovely to see you, you know. I do mean to write more often, but … ”

“So do I.” Con had smiled ruefully. “I do my best, but I never seem to have enough time to keep up properly with everyone I’d like to, and once I start this new job I’m going to have even less time to myself than I do now. Not that I’m complaining: I can’t wait to start. And … thanks for the compliments: I’ve only just started doing my hair like this and I haven’t been quite sure whether it worked or not. And you look wonderful, Ricki. That dress is amazing.” She’d smiled. “I wouldn’t have dared wear anything like this, or like that lovely dress you’ve got on, a few years ago.”

“Times are changing,” Ricki had said thoughtfully. “We’re all moving on.” Then she’d smiled too. “Speaking of which, I want to hear all about your new job! And how are Len and Margot? Tell you what: why don’t I get the drinks in? First round’s on me! What are you having?”

Once they’d got their drinks, they’d sat and had a good catch-up. They’d talked about Con’s new job and her plans for moving to London, and about Ricki’s work and what she did in her spare time. They’d chatted about old schoolfriends, Ricki telling Con how Sue Mason was and Con updating Ricki with the latest news from Odette Mercier, from Ted Grantley who was in regular contact with Len and Emerence Hope who kept in touch with Margot, and of course from Len and Margot themselves.

And then, eventually, they’d turned to the main reason for their meet-up - the letter from Sarah Goldmann, and the best way of dealing with it.

Author:  JS [ 04 Mar 2009, 09:03 ]
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Am I first this morning? Thanks for my regular breakfast reading treat!

Author:  Emma A [ 04 Mar 2009, 09:58 ]
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Thanks, Alison - lovely update. It's good to see how Con and Ricki are still friends, despite their intermittent contact, and how quickly they can pick up the threads again. Looking forward to the next bit.

Author:  shazwales [ 04 Mar 2009, 21:40 ]
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Thank you Alison, I arranged to meet an old school friend at Paddington and it was only as the train pulled in that i got worried about recognising her.It looks as if Ricki and Con sorted that,More please this is brilliant!!

Author:  Miss Di [ 05 Mar 2009, 02:56 ]
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I am now seeing Con looking very much like her mother on the cover of my paperback Jo Returns. Sans earphones of course.

Author:  di [ 05 Mar 2009, 06:56 ]
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I do look forward to my catch up time whilst eating breakfast. Please keep them coming. :)
Thanks, Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 05 Mar 2009, 08:53 ]
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“So it was your Auntie Rob who ran over to Miss Goldmann’s grandfather and put her arms round him.” Ricki had shaken her head, trying to imagine what it must have been like. “In the middle of a mob of violent men … we’d all like to think that if we saw someone being attacked then we’d try to help them, but how many people would actually be brave enough to do something like that in practice, especially one young kid against twenty or so grown men? And especially knowing that the authorities would take the attackers’ side rather than the victim’s side.”

“I don’t suppose she thought about it very much – she just jumped up and ran, from what I can gather.” Con had taken a big gulp of her drink. “But knowing Auntie Rob she’d have done it anyway. She’d have felt that there was nothing else that she could have done. As you say, trying to find a policeman or any other sort of authority figure would probably have made things worse. I don’t think she ever even thinks of herself as having done anything brave.”

“I know that it’s not quite the same thing, but my father doesn’t think of himself as having done anything brave either, with the Kindertransport I mean,” Ricki had said pensively. “And the same with most of the people I know who served in the War? Makes you think, doesn’t it?”

Con had nodded. “I was only thinking the same sort of thing earlier this week, when I was writing an article about the Civil Rights campaign in America. Some people can be so brave. Facing up to things, having the courage to do something about them. It’s so much easier to look the other way … but I know Auntie Rob, and she’d never have done that. I’m so proud to have her as my aunt. Well, my sort of auntie.”

“How exactly are you related?” Ricki had asked curiously. Con had so many cousins that it was difficult to remember which of them were related how, especially as so many girls at school who weren’t actually related to the Maynards at all had referred to Dr and Mrs Maynard as “Uncle Jack” and “Auntie Joey”. She knew that Mrs Maynard was sister to Josette’s mother and Maeve’s father, but beyond that her memory was hazy.


“We’re not. Well, we’re not by blood. We are in every other way, and that’s what matters. Her father was an old friend of my grandfather’s, and he left Auntie Rob – her mother died when she was only six - at the Chalet School with Auntie Madge whilst for some weird reason or other he went off to work in Russia. Then he moved to Tyrol too, to be Uncle Jem’s secretary; but he was killed in a climbing accident a few years later and he’d named Auntie Madge and Uncle Jem as Auntie Rob’s legal guardians. Mamma regarded Auntie Rob as her little sister – she always refers to her as her adopted sister, even though she isn’t in any legal sense – and after Mamma and Papa got married Auntie Rob lived with them. Most of my first memories are of things which involve her.” She’d sighed. “Then she decided to become a nun. I wasn’t surprised; none of us were; but I couldn’t believe it when she said that she was going to live in Canada. She moved to Montréal just after we moved to Switzerland. We haven’t seen her since.”

She’d smiled wryly. “Sorry, Ricki: I’ve got totally off the point, haven’t I? I was telling you about what happened in Spartz. Mamma went after Auntie Rob, and she shouted at the crowd. So did Corney Flower – Mrs van Alden, the lady Yseult Pertwee and her sisters lived with when they first went to Boston. There were various other people there too. Auntie Nell – Miss Wilson – of course; and Jeanne le Cadoulec, Mélanie’s aunt who drowned. Auntie Hilary - Mrs Graves - who was the Head Girl at the time. And Mrs Maclaren, Lady Watson and Daisy Rosomon, if you remember any of them from various sales and sports days and things; and a Hungarian girl called Lorenz Maico who was Robin’s friend.

Anyway, they tried to help, and although the mob wouldn’t back down the distraction gave Herr Goldmann chance to escape … but his attackers knew where he lived and they went to his house afterwards, and shot him and his wife. They shot the parish priest as well, because he took Mamma and the others - except Auntie Rob, who was taken back to the Sonnalpe by the café owner – into the church and helped them escape through a secret passageway before the mob managed to break in. Herr Goldmann died instantly, and Frau Goldmann and the priest both died of their injuries a few hours later.”

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 05 Mar 2009, 09:17 ]
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Thanks Alison, its been nice catching up with the updates. It does make you think how brave would you be in the same situation

Author:  Emma A [ 05 Mar 2009, 10:07 ]
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Con is giving a good summary of what happened. I like how she and Ricki can wonder how brave they'd be in similar situations, and to see that the people involved didn't think of themselves as brave.

Thank-you, Alison.

Author:  JS [ 05 Mar 2009, 10:08 ]
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The girls - and Miss Wislon especially - were so lucky not to be arrested or killed. This is making me look at it in a new light.
Thanks Alison.

Author:  PaulineS [ 05 Mar 2009, 12:10 ]
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Thank you Alison, it gives new insights into bravery.

Author:  alicat [ 05 Mar 2009, 13:17 ]
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Oh Alison thank you

I've just read this in one fell swoop and it was so what I needed ater a horrid week at work

weren't they all brave - this is so glossed over in the book. and yes, we wouldall like to think we could be so brave

can't wait for more.

Author:  Maeve [ 05 Mar 2009, 14:48 ]
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This is simply marvelous, Alison - thank you.

Author:  di [ 05 Mar 2009, 18:21 ]
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Great, thanks, Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 06 Mar 2009, 08:50 ]
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“Ricki, are you all right? You’ve gone as white as a sheet.”

Ricki had nodded. “I think so. It’s just …” She’d stopped, struggling to find the words.

“I know. It’s a lot to take in, isn’t it? Even looking at it from a distance of quarter of a century and eight hundred miles … the thought that something like that could happen, and just on a normal day when people were doing normal things like going shopping and having a drink and a bite to eat in a café. And when you think that those three murders were three out of a total of millions and millions .” Con had put her head in her hands for a moment. “I’m going to get us another drink each. I think we could both do with one.”

When she’d returned from the bar, Con had finished her tale, telling her friend all about how her mother and the others involved had had to flee Austria at once for fear of reprisals by the Nazi authorities. “It must have been terrifying for them. Robin and Lorenz were just kids; Auntie Nell had a bad foot and was struggling to walk; and from something I once heard Papa say I don’t think Mamma coped very well – up here, I mean. I can’t imagine how frightened all of them must have been, knowing what might have happened to them if they’d been caught.

“But compared with what it must have been like for Herr and Frau Goldmann’s granddaughter, being sent halfway across Europe without her family, to a strange country where she didn’t know anyone … what your father and the others did was wonderful, Ricki, it was a wonderful, wonderful thing - but how frightened those children must have been, all the same. And then for her to find out that the rest of her family had all been … lost … and so horribly …” She’d stopped speaking for a moment and taken a big gulp of her gin and tonic.

“About Miss Goldmann’s letter … I’ll write to Auntie Rob at once. Actually, maybe it would be better if both of us wrote, if you don’t mind. We could send both letters together. She’s hardly going to want any thanks – she’ll just say that she did the only thing she could have done, and how sorry that she is it that she couldn’t do more – but if in any way she can help Miss Goldmann by getting in touch with her then she’ll want to do it: I know Auntie Rob. In fact, if it weren’t for the fact that her life’s the way it is she’d probably offer to go to Spartz with her whilst she - Miss Goldmann, I mean - ’s in Europe. Explain it all properly, face-to-face, show her exactly where it happened: I know it sounds awful, but she said that she wanted to know as much as possible. And, you know, it might help her if she’s got someone with her – if she’s coming to Europe on business then presumably it’s not as if she’ll have a friend with her.”

“I hadn’t really thought that far.” Ricki had looked troubled. “Of course, maybe it’s something that she’d rather do on her own, or that she feels she should do on her own, but … well, as you say, it might help her if she had someone with her, especially someone who knew what had happened. It’s out of the question for your Auntie Rob to go, really, isn’t it? Would Mrs Maynard or Miss Wilson or Mrs Graves be willing to meet Miss Goldmann there, do you think, if she wanted them to? Mind you, they’re all pretty tied up with kids and work and everything, aren’t they? Is there anyone else?”

“There’s David,” Con had mused. “My cousin David – Josette’s older brother. He wasn’t there, of course – he was only a little boy at the time – but he knows all about what happened: we all do. And he works in Spartz - he moved back to Tyrol a few years ago; his wife’s Austrian.”

She’d taken a deep breath. “Or …?”

“Or?”

“Or …well, I suppose, and maybe it’s a really bad idea, but … well, there’s me.”

Author:  JS [ 06 Mar 2009, 09:40 ]
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I suppose sometimes we give Joey a hard time for her fainting etc all over the place, but I guess it's reasonable to think she had some form of PTSD? She did go through a lot - they all did.

Thanks Alison.

Author:  JellySheep [ 06 Mar 2009, 10:53 ]
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This is really good and thought-provoking. Thanks.

Author:  Emma A [ 06 Mar 2009, 13:42 ]
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Lovely update - I do like how they are realising that it isn't just a school legend, but that happened to real people (if you see what I mean :oops: ).

Thank-you, Alison.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 07 Mar 2009, 06:59 ]
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Thanks Alison

Author:  Alison H [ 07 Mar 2009, 08:46 ]
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She’d been planning to go to Tyrol early in the New Year anyway, she’d explained to Ricki. She'd be working all through the summer because she didn’t feel that she could ask for time off from a brand new job too soon, especially given that anyone with children would probably be wanting to take some holiday time then, so she’d have to wait until the winter before she could have a break anyway; and with the Winter Olympics being held in Innsbruck and the surrounding area late January and early February it seemed like the perfect time to go to one of the winter sports resorts there: she was hoping that she might be able to get tickets to see one of the events, if she were lucky.

She couldn’t see it being a problem to get time off work then because, most people taking time off in the winter’d be wanting the week between Christmas and New Year; and although she’d been to Tyrol in the spring and summer quite a few times she’d never been there in the winter and she’d heard rave reviews about the ski-ing conditions there, and of course it was considerably cheaper than Switzerland was. She was intending to stay in Mayrhofen, where Karen, Anna’s friend who’d been the Chalet School cook for many years before she’d married, ran a hotel with her husband: Primula Garden - “my sort-of-cousin, Daisy Rosomon’s sister” – had been there and highly recommended it. And having a holiday in Tyrol’d give her the chance to see her cousin David and his wife Gretchen and their little boy, too.

“It sounds wonderful,” Ricki had said enviously. “I haven’t had the chance to do any winter sporting in years – not since leaving school, in fact. And I’ve always been sorry that I came to the School a term too late to go on the twenty-first anniversary trip to Tyrol. Everyone who did go was always raving about what a lovely place it was.”

“Well, why don’t you come with me?”

Ricki had gone bright red, thinking that Con had thought she’d been dropping hints, which she really hadn’t been; and Con had looked embarrassed and clapped her hand over her mouth for a moment. “Oh Ricki, sorry! Sometimes I think that I’ll never learn to think properly before I speak! You’ve probably got holiday plans of your own, and I certainly don’t suppose you want to be stuck with me for the best part of a fortnight if you haven’t.”

“No … I hadn’t even thought about a holiday, to be honest; and it was just that I thought you thought I was dropping hints and trying to gatecrash your holiday, and …” She’d stopped, and they’d both started to laugh.

“I didn’t think anything of the sort, honestly,” Con had assured her. “And if you do fancy it, and just say if you don’t … well, never mind “gatecrashing” - it’d be much more fun with two of us. These ski resorts can get pretty lively, I believe! I’m sure we’d have a whale of a time.”

“I’m sure we would.” Ricki had grinned. “It sounds great, Con, if you’re sure you really wouldn’t mind me tagging along. I’d have to see if I could get the time off work, and start saving up my pennies pretty sharpish, of course, but … well, like you’ve just said, I’m sure we’d have a whale of a time! And I really would like to see Tyrol, and to get the chance to do some ski-ing again; and if we could get to see some of the action at the Winter Olympics then that’d just be amazing.”

She’d taken another sip of her drink, and then she’d seen Con’s face grow solemn again, and known what her friend had been thinking because she’d been thinking the same. “And about Miss Goldmann … she might very well feel that she’d rather make this trip to Spartz by herself, but if she did feel that it’d be a bit easier if she had someone there with her, especially someone who knew exactly what had happened; and if her trip and ours could be arranged to coincide … well, I feel a little bit as if I know her, after reading that letter she sent to Mr Bond, and it’d be the least we could do, after everything that she’s had to cope with.”

Con had nodded. “That’s exactly what I thought.”

Author:  Maeve [ 07 Mar 2009, 09:30 ]
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What a great start to the weekend! Thanks, Alison.

Author:  di [ 07 Mar 2009, 10:13 ]
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2 updates, what luxury. I wonder if Robin will make the journey to meet Sarah, I suppose it would be difficult for her to do so, but it would be so helpful for Sarah to actually meet the one who tried to save her grandfather.
Thanks, Alison.

Author:  Chris [ 07 Mar 2009, 12:35 ]
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Loving this, Alison! Look forward to every lunch time at work now.

Author:  shazwales [ 07 Mar 2009, 13:53 ]
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Thank you Alison , that is a lovely start to this weekend.

Author:  Lesley [ 07 Mar 2009, 14:09 ]
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Lovely to see Con and Rikki together.


Thanks Alison

Author:  Liz K [ 07 Mar 2009, 15:09 ]
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Just read through this in one go, absolutely excellent.

Author:  Sarah_K [ 07 Mar 2009, 21:19 ]
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Just caught up on the last few posts.

It's amazing the knock on effects people's lives have isn't it?

Thank you Alison

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 08 Mar 2009, 02:14 ]
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Thanks Alison, it was lovely to see more

Author:  Alison H [ 08 Mar 2009, 09:14 ]
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Thanks for the comments.

The postman must have thought she’d become an international woman of mystery, the way she’d suddenly started receiving correspondence with European and North American postmarks over the months that had followed, Ricki thought with a wry smile. Four in the space of a few months.

First of all, there’d been the letter from Con’s aunt, saying that of course it was all right for Ricki and Mr Bond to give her address to Sarah Goldmann. She’d enclosed a little note in an envelope marked with Miss Goldmann’s name, which she’d asked Ricki to send on. She didn’t want to try to pre-empt any of the questions which Miss Goldmann might have for her, she explained, but she just wanted to reassure her that it was all right for her to ask absolutely anything that she felt that she needed to; and also she wanted to explain a little about herself, as she knew that people often found it difficult to write to someone they knew nothing about, especially someone whose address was that of a convent. She’d also added that working in a gallery sounded like a fascinating job, and that she hoped that Ricki and Con were enjoying planning their trip to Austria.

From what little you could tell from one short letter, she sounded exactly as Con described her, Ricki had decided. If anyone could handle this situation with Miss Goldmann sensitively, then Soeur Marie-Cécile could. She’d just hoped that she and Con would be able to handle things anything like as well, should their idea of accompanying Miss Goldmann in Spartz come to anything.

Then she’d received a package from Austria, containing a brochure on the front cover of which was a picture of a hotel – the one at which Con had suggested they stay - which looked exactly as she’d always imagined Tyrolean buildings to look. She’d exclaimed in delight at how pretty it was, and at how lovely the pictures of the interior of the hotel were too. As for Mayrhofen town centre and the surrounding area, the snow-covered mountain slopes and the Hintertux glacier, it surpassed even the many glorious sights she’d seen in Switzerland, she’d decided. Herr and Frau Braun, the hotel’s owners, had also put in some postcards of the Tiernsee, where the Chalet School had begun life and where both of them were from originally, and of the historic centre of Innsbruck, and she’d been equally entranced by them.

What a gorgeous-looking area! No wonder that Mrs Maynard and all the others who’d been at the School in its Tyrol days were always raving about the place! Just look at it. How simply beautiful! The mountains, the lakes, the pretty flowers that seemed to be everywhere, some of the people still wearing traditional Tyrolean dress … ooh, and look at the pictures in the brochure of some of the food typically served in the hotel restaurant! She felt hungry just looking at them. And there was something about a pianist playing Austrian music in the hotel a couple of nights a week, as well. She loved Viennese waltzes, and maybe they’d play some of the Tyrolean music she’d read about too, those energetic dances with the name that she could never remember how to spell. So this was Tyrol! So this was Austria! It all sounded just delightful!

And, yet, at the back of her mind, there’d always been that thought … the triple murder in Spartz; that had been Tyrol too; that had been Austria too. Hundreds of thousands of people sent to their deaths in Nazi concentration camps: that had all been Austria too. Had she needed reminding of that, not that she had, she’d then received a letter from New York, from Sarah Goldmann, thanking her for putting her in touch with the woman who’d tried to help her grandfather, and it had been so touchingly-worded that she’d cried for half an hour after reading it.

Her fourth letter from abroad had been a second one from Soeur Marie-Cécile in Canada.

Author:  Lesley [ 08 Mar 2009, 10:00 ]
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So, so diffiult to reconcile the two faces of Austria - and EBD touched only fleetingly upon it (of course, she was writing for children) Yet the majority of Austrians allowed it to happen - through ignorance or fear. I wonder whether any of the Austrian we 'knew' would have done the same?


Thanks Alison, this is very thought-provoking

Author:  di [ 08 Mar 2009, 11:44 ]
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I think the power of the Reichmark must have put the fear of God in to small countries such as Austria and they were overcome very quickly if my memory of History serves me right. I'm sure there must have been pockets of resistance as in Poland and France and even our own Channel Islands.
I wonder what the second letter from Robin, or Soeur Marie-Cecile as she is now, contains? I'm still living in hope that she will find a way to accompany Con and Ricki to Austria! :)
Thanks for the daily update, Alison.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 08 Mar 2009, 22:33 ]
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di wrote:
I'm still living in hope that she will find a way to accompany Con and Ricki to Austria! :)


So am I. Thanks Alison

Author:  Alison H [ 09 Mar 2009, 08:41 ]
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I'd like to've seeen Robin go to Austria too, but realistically it wouldn't have happened :( .

“My dear Con and Ricki,

“I hope that you won’t mind my copying out the same letter to send to both of you; but it’s something that will, I hope, concern you both. Also, I hope that you won’t mind my calling you “Ricki”, my dear; but Con’s told me so much about you over the past couple of months that it’s how I think of you, rather than as “Miss Fry” which sounds so terribly formal. I remember now Con telling me about you when you were at school together, and I’m glad to hear that the two of you are getting the chance to see plenty of each other now that you’re both in London. It’s always good to meet new people and do new things, but old friends are so very important too.

“The reason that I’m writing this letter concerns Miss Goldmann, as you’ve probably guessed. I received a letter from her almost as soon as I could have done after you wrote to her with my address, Ricki. I’d thought that perhaps she might have doubts about contacting me when it came to it, but from the speed with which I heard from her it was evident that she felt very strongly that it was something that she must do. That made it all the more humbling for me to read her letter - in which she thanked me, in terms which made me feel almost guilty, for going to stand with her grandfather that day.

“I can’t feel that any thanks is due to me. I saw Herr Goldmann being attacked and I jumped up and ran over to him. That was all: I didn’t even think about it. In fact, I couldn’t have blamed her if she’d felt that I’d made things worse, that maybe I’d inflamed the mood of the crowd even further; because, believe me, I asked myself if that were so when your father, Con, told me that the Goldmanns and Vater Joachim had died. However, what she said was that she was sure that what I and the others did was of comfort to him. I can only pray that that was indeed the case, and be grateful if feeling that it did and writing to me about it can bring his granddaughter any measure of comfort.

“The other main point of that letter, and indeed the main point of this one, was that she didn’t know the exact details of what had happened that day; and that she felt that she, as the only surviving member of her family, owed it to her grandparents to find that out. I’ve got mixed feelings about this, I confess: it distresses me greatly to think of her learning about how that poor man was pursued through the streets like a hunted animal being chased by a pack of savage beasts, and how he and his wife were then shot in cold blood, and by people whom they knew; but I know that I have no right to keep that information from her and I don’t intend to.

“And this is where I’m going to make a request of the two of you, and I’ll understand fully if you feel unable to agree to it. I could write a full account of the horrific events of that day in a letter and send it to Miss Goldmann in the post: it’s what she’s asked me to do and she has, after all, already had to bear knowing even worse about what became of some of her family. But somehow, even knowing that, I can’t help feeling that it would be too cruel – that it would be better done face-to-face.

“I wish very much that I could suggest that I go to see her in New York. Maybe it’s wrong of me to say that, to think that, but I daresay I’m not the first Sister to wish sometimes that I could take a few days “off”, as other people do. But I can’t, and I know that I can’t.

Author:  Emma A [ 09 Mar 2009, 10:02 ]
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I wonder how the girls and Robin will get round this prohibition. Could Sarah visit the convent? Or will she go to Austria to meet Con and Ricki, and they will tell her all about it?

This is fascinating, Alison, and lovely to read first thing in the morning. Thank-you.

Author:  JS [ 09 Mar 2009, 11:18 ]
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Just had three posts to catch up on (such English!) - what a treat. Thanks Alison.

Author:  leahbelle [ 09 Mar 2009, 14:23 ]
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I've just caught up on a couple of posts, too. A wonderful way to spend lunch! Thanks, Alison.

Author:  abbeybufo [ 09 Mar 2009, 19:37 ]
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Thanks Alison, this gets netter & better :D

Author:  Lesley [ 09 Mar 2009, 20:37 ]
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Poor Robin - thanks Alison

Author:  Miss Di [ 10 Mar 2009, 03:21 ]
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I've just caught up with the weekends posts. Thanks Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 10 Mar 2009, 08:47 ]
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Sorry if this bit's a load of rubbish, but I want to get past this part and on to Austria now :oops: .

“I’ve written back to her, and I’ve said that if she wants me to write everything down in a letter then of course that’s what I’ll do, but that if she feels that it would in any way make it easier for her to hear the story face-to-face then I will do what I can to make that possible.

“There are two possibilities. One is that Miss Goldmann could come to Montréal. There are trains and buses that run between New York and here, I know; and if I explain the circumstances to the Reverend Mother here then I would hope that she’d let us spend some time together. However, for one thing I don’t know how practical that would be: I understand from her letter that she has a very demanding job and that it was difficult enough for her to arrange to take the time to visit Austria during her business trip to France, so whether or not it would be possible for her to arrange even a couple of days to come to Montréal at present I don’t know.


“For another thing … oh, how I know that I shouldn’t say it, but as soon as I read in her letter that she intended to visit Spartz and Innsbruck I wished that I could offer to go to Spartz with her, to speak to her there, rather than to suggest that she come to visit me, in a convent, thousands of miles away from where her grandparents lived and died. Does that make sense to you at all, my dear girls? Perhaps that’s the last thing that she would want, but I did get the impression that it might actually be something that she would welcome. She said that no other member of her family had survived the War, and that it frightened her a little that this was a visit that she would have to make alone, but that she felt that she must do it. More specifically, she said that, whilst she was determined to do it, and whilst the entire visit to Austria was going to be difficult for her, going to Spartz where her grandparents were actually murdered was going to be the most difficult part of all.

“Con, you mentioned in your last letter the possibility of you and Ricki meeting Miss Goldmann in Spartz, if it could be arranged that your visit to Tyrol would coincide with hers. What I’m asking you, Con, and I know that it’s a lot to ask, is that, as well as showing her where those terrible events took place, you would feel able also to be the one to tell her exactly what happened; and if Ricki, with whom I know Miss Goldmann has had some contact by letter already, would feel able to be there with you.

“If you feel that it would be too much, then tell me. I’ve told Miss Goldmann that, whilst I cannot go myself, it may be possible for me to arrange for a member of my family to meet her in Spartz, but I have only said “may be possible” and I haven’t mentioned any other details. David is in Tyrol, of course, and your mother is within a few hours’ travelling distance – as for that matter are Nell Wilson and Hilary Graves, who although they didn’t really know the Goldmanns were both with us that day – but I feel that you would be the best person for the task.

“You know that I love your mother dearly, Con, but I don’t know she would handle this. She knew the Goldmanns better than any of us, and she struggled badly to cope with what happened: she all but collapsed on the journey out of Austria and I know that she had nightmares for a long time afterwards. I’m going to be honest with you, and say that I don’t know how she would cope with telling the story to their granddaughter. If you and Ricki weren’t going to be in Tyrol anyway, then perhaps I would ask Hilary or Nell, or indeed David, but as it is … you have such a gift for understanding people, Con. You always have had.

“And you are my niece, and Ricki is the daughter of one of the brave men who helped to bring Miss Goldmann and so many other children to safety … but I feel now that it might sound as if I’m trying to pressurise you both, and I don’t mean to. I understand that I’m asking a lot, and I will understand fully if it’s too much.

“Think about this, think about it carefully and think about how difficult it may be for you both, talk it over between yourselves, and then let me know what you’ve decided. I feel a little guilty for asking this of you, but I’m going to do so anyway – but I will understand if you decide that you can’t do it.

“And now I feel that I’ve said enough, so I’m going to finish this letter now – with, as always, all my love.

“Auntie Robin.”

Ricki opened her bag again and checked for the eleventh time since leaving home that she’d definitely got her copy of the piece of paper with the name and address of Sarah Goldmann’s Innsbruck hotel on it.

She had.

Author:  Sarah_G-G [ 10 Mar 2009, 09:18 ]
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Wow, a very powerful letter. Robin's reasoning makes perfect sense, and I suppose if they really want to know Jo's view of events they can always read Nancy meets a Nazi! I look forward to seeing how events unfold in Austria. Thank you so much for the regular updates! I don't always comment but I've been reading most days. :)

Author:  Emma A [ 10 Mar 2009, 10:19 ]
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Not rubbish at all - Robin's reasons are sound! It sounds from the last sentence as though we've arrived in Austria and the girls are going to meet Sarah. Looking forward to the next bit.

Thanks, Alison.

Author:  JS [ 10 Mar 2009, 10:19 ]
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Oh dear, tears in my eyes threatening to spill into my cereal. Thanks Alison.

Author:  JellySheep [ 10 Mar 2009, 10:56 ]
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This is ABSOLUTELY NOT rubbish, by any stretch of the imagination. It's great, and sensitive and thought-provoking.

Author:  Elder in Ontario [ 10 Mar 2009, 12:59 ]
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There is no way this is rubbish, Alison. Robin explains herself very clearly, and she is right to think that Con and Ricki would be the best people to explain things to Miss Goldmann, given that she herself cannot make the journey to Spartz. And actually, it's a good way for Sarah Goldmann herself to learn about what happened to her grandparents - if, at some later date, she wants to visit Robin in Montreal, I'm sure she will be able to arrange it.

Thank you for this story - I'm another who doesn't comment often, but I do read and appreciate it.

Author:  Lesley [ 10 Mar 2009, 18:28 ]
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Absolutely wonderful letter from Rob - and she is quite right in her reasoning as to why Joey and the others would not be as suitable as Con and Ricki.


Thanks Alison

Author:  KatS [ 10 Mar 2009, 19:05 ]
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Please can we visit David and Gretchen in Spartz?
I know they're not the "point" of the drabble, but I love them so much.

(I feel like an EBD fan writing in to demand more Joey when EBD was desperate to pull the story in a new and interesting direction :oops: )

Author:  Celia [ 10 Mar 2009, 21:22 ]
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Thanks Alison, a really interesting drabble. Looking forward to the
next bit.

Author:  Miss Di [ 11 Mar 2009, 02:40 ]
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That was so not rubbish Alison. Robin's reasoning is perfectly sensible and she recognises how traumatised her sister was by the events before the war.

Author:  Alison H [ 11 Mar 2009, 08:47 ]
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Thanks for the comments :D . KatS, yes, they'll be seeing David and Gretchen :D .

Con was waiting on the platform at Spartz when Ricki’s train pulled in, as she’d said she’d be. She’d have arrived from Switzerland a couple of hours earlier, assuming that her train had been on time – which Swiss trains generally were, Ricki thought with a smile as she waved excitedly and her friend spotted her and waved back.

Standing next to Con, and chatting to her animatedly, was a fair-haired young woman of about thirty, holding the handles of a buggy in which was sitting a little boy with dark curls, surveying the busy scene around him with a fascinated look on his face. That had to be Gretchen, David Russell’s wife, Anna Pfeifen’s cousin and the Sonnalpe San’s office manager – an intriguing combination, Ricki reflected! – and her son Daniel. Con had arranged for Gretchen to show them round Spartz before they went on to Mayrhofen.

She suddenly felt a little shy as she collected her luggage and left the train – she was sure that Gretchen was very nice, but she was never quite sure what to say to people she’d never met before –, and walked along the platform rather slowly; but she relaxed as Con came rushing forward to greet her, taking one of her bags from her and asking if she’d had a good journey.

“Ricki! You’re here! Welcome to Tyrol! Hey, are you all right? You look a bit worried. Are you tired? It’s a long journey, I know - would you rather go straight on to Mayrhofen and have a good rest? We can always come and look round Spartz another day. Gretchen’ll understand, and the trains between here and the Zillerthal run pretty regularly. Or we could go and get a drink or some food before we do anything else, if you’d rather do that?”

Ricki smiled and shook her head. Con was great! And she really wasn’t tired: she’d thought that she’d never fall asleep on the train but she had eventually, and she felt wide awake now. “I’m fine, honestly. I managed to get some sleep on the train, and after all that sitting around I’m looking forward to stretching my legs before I do anything else! Although I think I’ll be ready for a coffee and something to eat before we do go on to Mayrhofen: the stuff they serve on the trains is disgusting! And how are you? Did you have a good time at the Gornetz Platz? How are things there?”

“The same as ever.” Con raised her eyebrows expressively and they both laughed. “It was good to see everyone, though. Len sends her love, and so do Mamma and Papa; and everyone’s very jealous that we’re going to be here for the Winter Olympics! There isn’t much to report from there; but then there never is! Anyway, shall we get going? Come and meet Gretchen and Daniel – you realised whom they were, presumably? Gretchen’s got the car here so you can dump your stuff in there with mine until we’re ready to leave for Mayrhofen. David’s at work – his surgery’s pretty near here, actually – but you’ll meet him when we go to Auntie Marie and Uncle Eugen’s.” She paused. “Sorry – am I babbling? I’ve got a horrible feeling that I sounded just like Mamma then – overwhelming people with my relations and family friends!”

Ricki burst out laughing at that last remark and assured Con that she didn’t sound anything like her mother, honestly; and then followed her friend over to where Gretchen - who pulled a face at being introduced as “Frau Doktor Russell” and insisted that Ricki must use her first name, an invitation which Ricki reciprocated - was standing with little Daniel; and the four of them made their way out of the station and loaded Ricki’s luggage into Gretchen’s car.

Once that was done, they walked the short distance into Spartz town centre, talking in low voices as Daniel had fallen asleep – he usually did at that time day of day, Gretchen said. It was a pretty little town, Ricki thought as she looked around appreciatively; and fairly quiet and peaceful once they were away from the railway station - which had been busy with holidaymakers heading, as she and Con would be doing later, up to Mayrhofen.

It was hard to believe that it had once been the scene of the terrible events of twenty-five and a half years ago … but it had, and she and Con were about to see exactly where those events had taken place.

Author:  Joey [ 11 Mar 2009, 09:47 ]
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Ooh, am I the first to comment this morning? Thanks, Alison: this is fabulous. None of it is rubbish or even close!

Author:  Emma A [ 11 Mar 2009, 10:03 ]
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Lovely, Alison. So nice to see Gretchen (and Daniel), and the friends meeting up again. Thank-you.

Author:  JS [ 11 Mar 2009, 10:13 ]
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Quote:
There isn’t much to report from there; but then there never is!


How many books did EBD get out of the 'not much' to report from the Gornetz Platz?? And how funny that Con doesn't want to sound like her mother :lol:

Thanks Alison, am really enjoying this.

Author:  Kathy_S [ 11 Mar 2009, 22:52 ]
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The past trauma is managing to lurk very effectively here -- but without blighting the holiday spirit and better memories. Hard to do!

Thank you, Alison.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 12 Mar 2009, 08:32 ]
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Thanks Alison, fabulous to catch up with so many updates

Author:  Alison H [ 12 Mar 2009, 08:48 ]
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“It would have been here.” Gretchen, who was a few paces in front of Con and Ricki, stopped walking. “That’s the Gasthaus where they were – that white building over there. It’s still a Gasthaus, although the people who owned it in those days – I think they were called Borkel – aren’t there any more. The people from the Chalet School always used to go there when they came into Spartz to go shopping, apparently. David says that he remembers Auntie Rosa taking us all there a few times when we were little kids, as well. I don’t myself, but I was only four when we left - and we didn’t go into Spartz much those last few months, as you can imagine. The … the riot, I suppose you’d call it, must have been just out here. They must have been passing this side of the Gasthaus for Robin to have been able to see them through the window.” She looked around. “Just here, in this little square. Hard to believe, isn’t it? It all looks so normal.”

“The building where Herr Goldmann’s business was is still here, too. My Uncle Eigen was able to tell me where it was, because he went there the odd time when David’s parents wanted things cleaning or repairing. So I can show you that. It’s still a shop: it’s not a jeweller’s any more, but it’s still a shop. I’ve been in there loads of times: I had no idea that it used to be Herr Goldmann’s until I got your letter, Con, and started asking around. And I can show you where the Goldmanns’ house was too, going off the address that Miss Goldmann gave you.

“And the church where they – the girls and their teacher, I mean – went afterwards is just over there … there, can you see the spire? We can go there too if you like: I don’t know whether or not Miss Goldmann’ll want to see it, but I thought Ricki might. You’ve seen it before, I assume, Con?”

Con nodded. “It was the first place I made for when we came to Die Blumen the first time and came into Spartz to stock up on a few things, because it looked like the oldest building around. Spot the history buff! It didn’t actually occur to me at first that that was the place where Mamma and Daisy and the others went to escape from the Nazis, though. Like you said about the square, it just looks so normal. I know that that sounds silly, and I don’t know what I expected a church where people took refuge from a Nazi mob to look, but … anyway, it was only later that I realised. Mamma wasn’t with us at the time - she and Anna’d stayed at Die Blumen to unpack - and I never liked to ask her too much about it. It must have been so horrific for them, all of it.

“I know Mamma says that all she wanted after that was to get home to Britain, back to civilisation … oh Gretchen, I’m sorry. I really, really didn’t mean that how it sounded, honestly.” She bit her lip. How many times had she been reprimanded for tactlessness when she’d been younger? She tried very hard these days, to think before she spoke, but sometimes something just slipped out without her thinking. She looked at her cousin-in-law anxiously. “I’m so sorry. I didn’t mean …I just meant that …”

“It’s all right.” Gretchen bent her head to check that Daniel was still soundly asleep, and then looked up. “Your mother was quite right. This wasn’t a civilised place – not then, not that day, not for over seven years.” She shook her head, her face anguished all of a sudden. “People won’t talk about it, you know. The Anschluss, and the War, and everything that happened during that time. I don’t know as much about it myself as I feel I ought to. My grandparents and my aunts and uncles don’t like to discuss it. No-one likes to discuss it. I wish they’d tell me more. I feel that I should know. But they won’t. Not usually, anyway. Just occasionally, though, they open up. And then I find out things that I had no idea about.”

Author:  ibarhis [ 12 Mar 2009, 09:11 ]
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Alison, thank you for writing this... I'm really enjoying each morning's episode.

Author:  Emma A [ 12 Mar 2009, 10:35 ]
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I do like the way we are getting so many different views of the situation: Robin's, Con's and Ricki's - and now Gretchen's. I imagine that it would be very difficult to talk about what happened to someone who had never lived through it.

Thank-you, Alison.

Author:  JB [ 12 Mar 2009, 11:43 ]
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So interesting to see Gretchen's point of view.

Author:  leahbelle [ 12 Mar 2009, 14:20 ]
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Thanks, Alison. Gretchen is right. She should be able to learn about the past from those who lived through it, even if it is upsetting, but I can understand why people would prefer to get on with life in the here and now.

Author:  Maeve [ 12 Mar 2009, 15:28 ]
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Thanks for posting so regularly, Alison -- really enjoying this story.

Author:  Alison H [ 13 Mar 2009, 08:56 ]
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Sarah Goldmann had only been to her grandfather’s shop the occasional time, she’d written to Con and Ricki; she wasn’t sure that she’d be able to remember how to get to where it had been and unfortunately she didn’t even know the address. She really didn’t want them to go to any more trouble than they were doing already, she’d said, but she just wondered if maybe Soeur Marie-Cécile or anyone else they knew who’d known Spartz in those days might be able to remember where it had been.

Joey Maynard, whilst she hadn’t been able to remember the shop’s address, had managed to provide a rough description of its location, but it hadn’t made much sense even to Gretchen and David who both knew Spartz so well. To be fair to her, though, Gretchen had said to David, Spartz town centre had changed quite a bit since 1938: some buildings had come down and others had gone up. However, that didn’t alter the fact that they hadn’t been able to tell where she’d meant at all.

They hadn’t been sure whom else to ask. They’d known that it would seem like such a strange question that they’d have to explain why they were asking; and for that reason they hadn’t wanted to ask Gretchen’s grandparents. Herr and Frau Pfeifen never liked talking about those days, and they hadn’t wanted to risk making the elderly couple upset. Gretchen had tried asking her godmother, Karen, but Karen had said apologetically that unfortunately she couldn’t help: although she’d known pre-war Spartz relatively well, she couldn’t remember ever having gone into the jewellery shop and honestly didn’t know where it had been. And they’d thought that maybe Gisela Mensch might know, but they really hadn’t felt that it would be appropriate to bring up the subject of the Goldmanns’ murders with a woman whose own father had died in a concentration camp.


Eventually, more just because he’d happened to call round whilst she’d been thinking about it than anything else, Gretchen had asked her Uncle Eigen. And he’d known. He’d gone into Herr Goldmann’s shop quite a few times, he’d said, to take and collect things for the Russells and for patients at the San. He knew exactly where it had been.

The following Saturday, he’d accompanied her to Spartz and shown her the exact location of the building in which Herr Goldmann had once worked. It was a sort of general household goods store now. Gretchen had, as she’d said to Con and Ricki, been in there dozens of times before, never realising the significance of the site until then. She’d found herself wondering if the present owners knew what had happened to the elderly man who’d owned the shop before the War, and to his wife; and she’d supposed that they must do - they were old enough to remember back to 1938, and they were local people as far as she knew. Just as the people who’d carried out the treble murder – that of Herr Goldmann, Frau Goldmann and Vater Joachim – had been local people. In fact, some of them were probably still living in the town now. She’d shuddered at that last thought; and her uncle had asked her what the matter was.

“Their leader was killed in the War,” he’d said abruptly, when she’d answered his question. “Early on. I was glad when I heard about it. God forgive me, for being glad that someone had lost their life, especially someone I knew, but I was glad.”

“You knew him?” She’d looked at her uncle in surprise.

Eigen had nodded. “A little. I didn’t get a lot of time off in those days, but when I did I always tried to get into Spartz – I know it’s only a small town but to a teenage lad it seemed pretty exciting, certainly compared to Briesau and the Sonnalpe. And he – Hans Bocher, his name was, and although there were around twenty of them involved that day I heard later on that he’d been the one who’d orchestrated it - was only a couple of years older than I was, and we knew some of the same people.

“He actually worked for Herr Goldmann for a while. I used to see him when I went into the shop. He was always taking the mickey out of me, say that running round after the Russells wasn’t a proper job for a man and he’d be ashamed to be doing something like that. Herr Goldmann heard him once. Told him to get on with his work; and apologised to me – said that no-one should have to put up with rudeness in his shop and he was really sorry about it. He was a nice old chap. What happened to him and his wife, and to the priest as well … Bocher was always a bully, but I still found it hard to take in when I that he and his mates had done that. It was just … unthinkable. And afterwards …”

He’d paused there. “Anyway. It was all a long time ago. You don’t want to hear about it.”

“I do.” Gretchen had put her hand on his arm. “Uncle Eigen, I do. You were going to tell me something else then, weren’t you? Go on. Tell me. If you can. What happened afterwards?”

Author:  Lesley [ 13 Mar 2009, 09:09 ]
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Did Eigen do something? To Hans Bocher I mean - I remember when Joey met Eigen again in Coming of Age she noticed that he had obviously suffered during the War.


Thanks Alison

Author:  Elbee [ 13 Mar 2009, 09:34 ]
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Oooh, very intrigued about what happened next.

Thanks Alison, this is fascinating.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 13 Mar 2009, 09:35 ]
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Thanks Alison, am really curious to hear Eigen's story and what happened next

Author:  keren [ 13 Mar 2009, 10:20 ]
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Maybe Eigen could be someone that Sarah would meet.
Fascinating story.
Our school magazine came out recently with articles for 60 years for the kinderstransport.
They wrote that representatives of the school met with the Prince of Wales whose grandmother had also saved a Jewish family and he is quoted as saying: "I am glad that a member of my family did the right thing".

Author:  Becky [ 13 Mar 2009, 11:04 ]
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This is a fascinating story, thanks Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 14 Mar 2009, 09:04 ]
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Keren, I read a biography of Alice of Battenberg, Princess Andrew of Greece (Prince Philip's mother) a few years ago and there was a chapter in it on her life during the Second World War: it was really interesting.

He hadn’t answered her at first, and she’d thought that he was going to refuse to tell her. But then he’d led her to a bench, where they’d both sat down, and he’d started speaking again, slowly at first but then more quickly.

“They – Bocher and the rest of his gang - found that the girls and their teacher had gone. They guessed that they’d be hiding somewhere in the mountains, but they were town lads and they didn’t know the mountains that well, and it would’ve been like looking for a needle in a haystack anyway: they could have gone in any direction. The authorities did send someone after them; but they couldn’t find them, and to be honest they weren’t all that interested. They were only a few schoolgirls and their teacher, after all; and the Chalet School was closing down anyway, and the Sanatorium being taken over. There were bigger fish to fry.

“Bocher and the others were furious, though. They’d got … what they wanted … but they hadn’t exactly taken very kindly to being harangued in public by a group of schoolgirls. And they wanted some sort of revenge. But they couldn’t do much about it, because there were men standing watch outside the school, and outside the Sanatorium and Die Rosen as well. Your father-in-law made sure of that – it wasn’t hard to work out that Bocher and co might turn up looking for trouble, after all.

“Then the school closed down, and the Nazis took over the San, and the Russells and the others all left. So Bocher and the others had missed their chance, you’d’ve thought … but they knew me, and they knew that I’d worked for the Russells, and they came for me. I was at the old school building – we were clearing the place out for Mr Flower, the American fellow who bought it from the Russells – but they found me there. And they gave me … well, a good hiding, you might say. Told me that I should consider it a very serious warning. That things had changed. That I should be very careful whom I did and didn’t work for in future.”

“Dear Lord,” she’d gasped. “I had no idea. No-one ever told me.” She’d shaken her head. “No-one tells me anything about those days: no-one ever wants to talk about it. I’m so sorry, Uncle Eigen. I don’t know what to say. How awful … how absolutely horrible for you. Did they … did they hurt you badly?”

He’d shrugged. “A good kicking, mainly. I was black and blue for a while afterwards, but it was nothing that didn’t heal up. I was lucky that they didn’t decide to do worse, I suppose. Although maybe they would have done worse, if the dog hadn’t heard the noise and come running in when he did. I think they’d’ve whacked him over the head if they’d had anything to hand; but they hadn’t, and he was a lovely dog but he could be pretty fierce when he thought he needed to be. He snarled his head off. And he gave Bocher a right nasty nip.”

“Thank the Lord for that,” she’d breathed. She’d squeezed her uncle’s hand, trying not to let herself think too hard about what might have happened if the dog hadn’t been there. Although, come to think about it … what dog? She’d had no recollection of anyone in her family ever having owned a dog. “What dog, though, Uncle Eigen? I don’t remember you having a dog?”

“Fraulein Joey’s dog. Rufus. They had to leave him behind when they left, if you remember. He was a lovely dog. I always kind of felt that he was partly mine, because Fraulein Joey and I together saved him from drowning when he was a puppy. And I’d’ve thanked my lucky stars that he turned up when he did, if it hadn’t been that …”

“If it hadn’t been that what?” She’d looked up at him. “There’s more, isn’t there? What aren’t you telling me now?” He’d remained silent, but she’d persisted. “Tell me, Uncle Eigen. I’m not a little girl now: you don’t have to protect me. If it hadn’t been that what?”

Author:  JB [ 14 Mar 2009, 09:26 ]
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Alison, this is so moving. And thank you for bringing Rufus into it.

Author:  PaulineS [ 14 Mar 2009, 13:08 ]
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It was Eigen who excaped with Rufus, are you going to tell us how and why Alison? Thanks for the updates.

Author:  keren [ 14 Mar 2009, 19:03 ]
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Jockel escaped with Rufus, but they will have to let Joey know all about this now.

Author:  Abi [ 14 Mar 2009, 21:38 ]
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Wow, loads of completely gripping updates there... but what happened next? At least Gretchen is finally learning some of what happened.

Thanks Alison, this is amazing.

Author:  Alison H [ 15 Mar 2009, 08:59 ]
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Warning – people may find this post upsetting.

Something struck her suddenly. “You said “we”. You said “we” were clearing the place out. It wasn’t just you there, then. Who was with you?”

Still he hadn’t spoken. “Uncle Eigen, who was with you?” She’d heard her voice growing shriller and had tried to make herself speak more calmly. “Uncle Eigen, what happened? What did they do? Who was with you? Was it … was it Auntie Karen, or Cousin Anna? Gott in Himmel, what happened? What aren’t you telling me?”

“No!” At last he’d spoken, and he’d shaken his head emphatically. “No: whatever you’re thinking, you’re wrong. It was neither of them. There were no women there, thank the Lord. It was … Gretchen, the person who was at the school building with me … it was Jockel.

“Mr Flower needed the school buildings clearing out, and he took me on to do it. I was very glad to have the work, I can tell you. Your father-in-law had seen us all right for money before he left, all of us, enough to last a good few months; but it wasn’t going to last for ever, and there weren’t a lot of jobs going and I think a lot of people were nervous of being seen to employ anybody who’d been associated with the Chalet School and the San, after everything that’d gone on. And he – Mr Flower - took Jockel on to help me.

“Jockel was never far from Rufus back then. He loved that dog. And he came looking for him, came in after him, and he saw me there, lying on the ground, and he tried to help me up. Bocher and the rest of his gang, they said … they said …Gretchen, they said that people like Jockel should be locked up, they even said that they were supposed to have operations so that … Gretchen, you know what I’m saying, I’m not going to repeat what they said but you understand what I’m saying, don’t you? You realise what they said?

“I don’t think Jockel really took it in. I pray that he didn’t. But I did. And, afterwards, I spoke to Mr Flower. He was a rich man; he knew people; I thought he might be able to help. I didn’t know what Bocher and the others might do: I didn’t know if it had just been threatening talk on their part or if the Nazi authorities really might take Jockel away, put him an institution somewhere … or worse. And Jockel, for all I don’t think he understood everything they said, was terrified, after he saw what they’d done to me. I don’t doubt they’d have gone for him too, there and then, if Rufus hadn’t been there. And he had no family. The school had been his home, and it was gone.

“Mr Flower worked it out somehow. He helped Jockel to get away, to a business acquaintance of his in the south of France. And later on he went to France himself, and took Jockel on as a sort of valet. They got out of France before it fell. Jockel stayed with him for years: he only came back to Briesau well after the War was over. Funny that he and I should have ended up working together again: I couldn’t believe it when I started work at the Kron Prinz Karl and he was there. I can’t tell you how glad I was to see him again.

“But a lot of people like him weren’t so lucky. The Nazis said that they were unfitundesirable … ” He’d stopped for a moment, clenching his fists together. “In a way I’m glad that Bocher and his henchmen came for me that day, because if they hadn’t then Jockel wouldn’t have gone when he did, and … well, what might have happened to him then doesn’t bear thinking about.

EBD doesn’t tell us much about what happened to Jockel, only that he had a “bad” time, and that he managed to get away from Austria, with Rufus, and eventually met up with Mr Flower in Bordeaux. The rest is by me: I just hope that it makes sense.

Author:  ibarhis [ 15 Mar 2009, 09:20 ]
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Alison, this makes perfect sense!

Author:  Jenefer [ 15 Mar 2009, 11:35 ]
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Thank you Alison. I am enjoying the daily updates

Author:  Abi [ 15 Mar 2009, 16:47 ]
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It makes total sense, and poor Jockel :( . At least Mr Flower was able to help him. Thanks Alison.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 15 Mar 2009, 19:44 ]
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Thanks Alison. Am very glad Mr Flower was still around to help them out and Jem was so lovely in giving the rest left behind money to see them through the first few months

Author:  Miss Di [ 16 Mar 2009, 03:13 ]
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I never have forgiven the Russels for leaving Rufus behind.

Author:  Kathy_S [ 16 Mar 2009, 03:18 ]
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Very realistic reconstruction. It's really amazing that Jockel and Rufus got out. :(

Thank you, Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 16 Mar 2009, 08:43 ]
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“It wasn’t long after Jockel left that Mr Flower decided to leave too. He must have lost a fortune on the school buildings, even by the standards of someone who had as much money as he did; but he just wanted to get out.

“And he helped Karen and Anna to leave as well. I didn’t know whether I should just make out that I’d got in a fight or whether I should tell them and everyone else who’d worked for the Russells the truth about who’d beaten me up and why. I didn’t want to scare people, and I didn’t want everyone talking about it either, but it wouldn’t have been hard for Bocher and the others to find out the names of people who’d had links with the School and the San and decide to try to teach them the same sort of lesson they’d decided to try to teach me.

“In the end I decided that I had to say something: I had to warn them to be on their guard. I wasn’t going to tell anyone else what Bocher and co’d said about Jockel; but Karen realised I was keeping something back and she got the whole story out of me, and Anna was with her so she heard it all as well.

“Anna had been struggling anyway, after everything that had happened already; and that nearly broke her: she kept saying over and over again that the world had gone mad and she couldn’t live like that any more. And Karen tried to put on a show of being tough, like she always did; but when I told her what they’d said about Jockel she went as white as a sheet, and when I told her that Mr Flower was going to get him away to safety – I shouldn’t have told her but I had to – she just burst into tears with the relief of it. I’d never seen her like that before.

“Things were getting worse pretty quickly. There were reports that trade unionists and anyone else linked with left-wing parties were being arrested. Karen took that very badly. Then Herr Doktor von Ahlen disappeared from the San. Some people said that he’d probably moved back to where his mother lived but we heard differently. And a friend of mine told me he’d seen Hans Bocher hanging around Briesau again.

“We’d had word by then – via a relation of Herr Doktor Mensch’s who worked in Switzerland – that Marie and Andreas and Rosa and you little ones had got safely to Guernsey: it was a letter that would have made no sense to anyone else but we knew what it meant. I was glad that you were all safely out of the country, away from Bocher and from everything else that was going on here. It nearly broke Mum and Dad’s hearts when you went, but at least once we’d had that letter we knew that you were safe. All through the War, when we had no news of you for over six years, at least we knew that you were safely out of what was happening in Austria. Anyway, Karen and Anna decided that they had to leave Austria; and they decided that the best thing for them to do was to try to get to Guernsey to join you.

“And they did. Mr Flower helped them. I stayed. I didn’t want to go abroad, even though I was starting to feel that I didn’t recognise Austria any more. And we couldn’t all go. But I was glad that you were all safely away. I know that you thought Marie and Andreas should have moved you all back here once the War was over, or at least once things had settled down; but you understand why they went in the first place, don’t you?”

Gretchen did. She’d been four when they’d left the Sonnalpe, a bewildered little girl who at first had understood only that her parents were taking her and her brother Jakob away from their home and the rest of their beloved family and go and live in a place that she’d never even heard of. But once she’d made the connection between their departure from Die Rosen and those terrifying memories, nightmarish but yet all too real, of those terrifying days when the Nazis had come knocking on the door at the Die Rosen, then she’d come to understand why they’d made the decision that they had. As an adult, especially now one with a child of her own, she understood it completely. But she needed to know what exactly it was that they’d been “safely away” from, what those members of the family who hadn’t left their homeland had been through and, distressing as it had been to hear, she was glad that she’d had that conversation with her uncle. Every time she learned a little more, she was able to understand a little more.

“Gretchen?” Con’s voice brought her out of her reverie. “Gretchen, are you all right? Are you sure that I haven’t offended you.”

“Quite sure.” She put her hand on her cousin-in-law’s arm. “Like I’ve just said, this wasn’t civilisation then. The Nazi era … it wasn’t any sort of civilisation: it was evil. The worst evil that the world’s ever known.”

Author:  Emma A [ 16 Mar 2009, 10:14 ]
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This is really good, Alison - both your reconstruction of what happened - to Jockel and Eigen and the others, and Gretchen's feelings so many years later. I am really enjoying this.

Thank-you.

Author:  JS [ 16 Mar 2009, 10:23 ]
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There were reports that trade unionists and anyone else linked with left-wing parties were being arrested. Karen took that very badly.


I'd imagine she would - it's nice to get more background to your other drabbles too, Alison. Thanks.

Author:  Joey [ 16 Mar 2009, 11:12 ]
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Alison, I've just caught up with the last three posts and I'm in tears. Your writing is so powerful.

Thank you.

Author:  Lesley [ 16 Mar 2009, 11:30 ]
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I would imagine Karen was specifically worried about one particular trade unionist?

Very realistic and chilling. What's even worse is that it could happen anywhere - and has - any country where a party or faction has gained power by demonising certain parts of the community. :cry:


Thanks Alison.

Author:  leahbelle [ 16 Mar 2009, 13:34 ]
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This is compelling reading, Alison. Thanks.

Author:  Miss Di [ 17 Mar 2009, 02:25 ]
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Thanks Alison, gripping as always.

Author:  Alison H [ 17 Mar 2009, 08:47 ]
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Ricki’s head was spinning by the time they’d finished their sombre walk round Spartz and retired to a café – not the Gasthaus at which Joey Maynard and the others had been eating that day in 1938; that would have been too much for all of them – for a drink and something to eat.

Daniel woke up just as they were sitting down, and lightened the mood somewhat with his happy chatter and his excitement over the piece of gooey chocolate cake which Gretchen, saying ruefully that she hoped it wouldn’t ruin his tea, agreed to letting him have. He was a gorgeous little boy; Gretchen was lovely too; the coffee was excellent; the cakes were even better than the ones she’d been used to during her time in Switzerland; the Tyrolean décor of the café was absolutely lovely and the view of the mountains in the distance was nothing short of stunning … but even so she was glad when the time came for her and Con to leave. She just couldn’t stop thinking about the fact that here, here in this pretty, peaceful, very ordinary little town, three innocent people just going about their daily business had been attacked by a hate mob and brutally murdered.

She was beginning to wonder if she was going to feel uncomfortable throughout her time in Austria and whether this trip was going to turn out to be something to endure rather than something to enjoy; but she felt much better once she and Con, having retrieved their luggage from Gretchen’s car, were on the train to Mayrhofen, surrounded by fellow skiers with everyone in holiday mood and chatting away amicably. She and Con fell to chatting about their plans for the evening and for the next few days, and eventually she began to relax.

Con glanced at her watch as the train neared its destination. They’d been in Spartz longer than she’d anticipated, and time was moving on: it would be dark soon. She hoped fervently that they wouldn’t have any trouble finding the hotel, and rummaged in her handbag for the directions. Luckily they seemed reasonably straightforward. “The hotel doesn’t look too hard to find – touch wood!” she told Ricki. “I can’t believe the time, though! By the time we’ve got there and checked in and unpacked we’ll only just about have time to get ourselves cleaned up and changed before it’s time to go in for Mittagessen.”

She saw the expression on Ricki’s face and laughed. “Before you remind me that I’ve only just eaten two enormous cream cakes – I really shouldn’t have had the second one -, I know! I’m just looking forward to tasting Karen’s cooking again.”

“All I heard about at mealtimes during my first term at the Chalet School was Karen’s cooking,” Ricki remarked. “It was during that spell when cooks were coming and going every other week! Then they got Mrs Bradshaw: she might’ve shaken things up a bit but at least the meals improved! Except during the strike, of course.”

Con smiled reminiscently. “She certainly got Auntie Madge and Auntie Hilda to bring about some long overdue changes. And she got Mamma and Papa to stop taking Anna and Rosli for granted the way they’d been doing for years. And she wasn’t a bad cook, either. Not a patch on Karen, though: I’m looking forward to tonight’s meal, I can tell you. And after that, much as I hate to sound like Matron, I think hot baths and an early night are in order! I’m tired myself after the journey from Switzerland, and then this afternoon which wasn’t exactly easy; and you must be exhausted.”

“I am, rather,” Ricki admitted. “Hot baths and an early night it is!”

Author:  Emma A [ 17 Mar 2009, 10:04 ]
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Good to have a lighter post, and for Ricki and Con to be actually enjoying their holiday! It's an interesting juxtaposition, though, and very thought-provoking. Nice to hear more about the strike (in retrospect) and Elsie's militancy!

Thank-you, Alison.

Author:  Lesley [ 17 Mar 2009, 14:24 ]
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Thanks Alison - good to hear about Elsie! :lol:

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 18 Mar 2009, 01:52 ]
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Its funny, I had just started reading when I suddenly thought Ricki wouldn't have met Karen in this world! and then you mentioned it as the strike. Thanks Alsion-it brought back fond memories for me as it was one of the first drabbles I read when I first started lurking and just before I joined. Probably also why I have such a soft spot for Elsie

Author:  Miss Di [ 18 Mar 2009, 02:45 ]
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Maybe a stupid question, but do the Maynards still own the house by the Tiernsee? (In your world of course Alison) I was just wondering why Con and Ricki would pay for a hotel if they did.

Author:  Alison H [ 18 Mar 2009, 08:54 ]
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Yes, they do - although I believe that there are now severe restrictions on people owning holiday homes in Tyrol, presumably because of concerns that it's pushing up prices and making things difficult for young local people - but Con and Ricki wanted to go to a ski resort :D .

“Hot baths and bed it,” Con repeated, in a passable imitation of Matron Lloyd’s voice. “And a mug of warm milk each too. We don’t want to run the risk of you catching colds, do we?” They both dissolved into giggles; and then, realising that they were getting funny looks from some of the other passengers on the train, tried to suppress their mirth but just ended up laughing even harder.

“Oh dear!” Ricki said, when they’d finally managed to calm down. “Warm milk I do draw the line at – well, unless it’s got a shot of something stronger in it! I could certainly use an early night, though. But we can hit the town the tomorrow night – well, assuming that I haven’t managed to break my leg on the ski slopes or anything!” She winked. “I’ve heard great things about the “apres-ski” scene in these ski reports. Or does that only apply in France and Switzerland?”

“Oh, it applies in Austria too, as far as I know. I certainly hope so, anyway!” Con grinned. “We’d better find out whether or not there’s someone on duty at reception at the hotel all night, and what time they lock up if there isn’t. I can’t imagine Karen being too impressed if someone has to get up to let us in after they’ve all gone to bed!” She laughed. “I remember once, at school I mean, hearing that she’d given one of the maids a right ticking off for getting back after everywhere was locked up – although to be fair I think it was more because she was worried about where she’d got to than anything else. And she even gave Mamma and Papa what for once, because Papa’d left a kitchen window open - it was when we first went out there, and we’d stayed overnight at the school because Freudesheim wasn’t quite ready for us to move into – and she’d thought there’d been a break-in. They just sat there and took it, apparently. I wish I’d been there!”

Seeing the look of alarm that had crossed Ricki’s face, she burst out laughing again. “Oh there’s no need to look like that – sorry, Ricki, I was only kidding about her being annoyed if we got back late! It’s a hotel after all, not a school! And she might have lost her rag the odd time at the School, when she was provoked; but it was only occasionally: she’s absolutely lovely. And I believe she’s mellowed since she’s been married and had the children, anyway. She’s got a boy and girl, twins - a few months younger than Geoff and Phil.”

“You must have known her for a long time – she was at the Chalet School for years, wasn’t she?” Ricki asked. “And isn’t she very friendly with Anna?”

Con nodded. “Anna comes over and stays with her quite often. And, although I haven’t seen her since David and Gretchen’s wedding and before that since she left the School, I’ve known her since before I can remember: she and Anna came over from Austria to Guernsey together, before Len and Margot and I were born. And her husband’s parents were the School’s landlords when Auntie Madge first started things up, funnily enough. He – Karen’s husband, I mean – didn’t live in Briesau then, though. He actually lived in America for years: you’ll find that he speaks English practically perfectly, with a New England accent! He moved over there some time in the Thirties and only came back to live in Austria after he met up with Karen again - he was over in Tyrol for a family wedding and she was there on holiday at the same time, long story! - and they decided to get married.”

“Neither of them were in Austria during the War, then?” Ricki asked. She blushed. “Sorry: I don’t know why I just asked that. Anyway, you’ve just said they weren’t. And even if they had been … oh sorry, Con, just ignore me! It’s been a bit of a weird afternoon, that’s all.”

Con nodded. “I know. And I do know what you mean.” She lowered her voice so that no-one else in the carriage would be able to hear her. “It is strange, sometimes, knowing that most of the older people here would have lived through the Nazi years, and not knowing who thought what or did what … but if we go around thinking like that then we’ll drive ourselves mad. And it was only a small minority of people who were really … involved.”

Ricki nodded. “I know. I do know. I kept telling people that when they said they thought Austria was a strange place to go on holiday to. It’s just … it’s just been a strange afternoon; that’s all.” She was feeling slightly embarrassed at her previous remarks; but Con smiled at her reassuringly and then before either of them could say any more the train was arriving at the Mayrhofen Bahnhof and everyone was heading towards the door. The two of them gathered up their belongings, got off the train, and began to make their way out of the station building and towards the hotel.

Author:  shazwales [ 18 Mar 2009, 09:03 ]
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Thank you Alison i'm really enjoying reading this.

Author:  Alex [ 18 Mar 2009, 09:11 ]
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I do appreciate that I can read your regular updates as I eat my breakfast every day, Alison.

Author:  Elbee [ 18 Mar 2009, 09:46 ]
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I can see that they would find it awkward to talk to local people about what happened during the war.

Thanks, Alison. I enjoy the updates with my after-breakfast cup of tea, once the house has gone quiet!

Author:  Lesley [ 18 Mar 2009, 20:20 ]
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Must be very strange for those Austrians that left Austria as well - Karen, Anna, Frieda, Marie etc.

Thanks Alison

Author:  Cath V-P [ 19 Mar 2009, 00:19 ]
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All that constant wondering about the people whom you see.... ot would be as if you are always having so adjust the focus of your thoughts now to accommodate what happened then.

Thank you Alison.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 19 Mar 2009, 00:45 ]
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Thanks Alison

Author:  Miss Di [ 19 Mar 2009, 03:47 ]
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There was an article in todays SMH about the Fritzl trial which had an interesting discussion on the Austrian culture of secrecy as a result of WWII - see
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/what-went ... -9228.html

Author:  Maeve [ 19 Mar 2009, 08:37 ]
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Miss Di said:
Quote:
There was an article in todays SMH about the Fritzl trial which had an interesting discussion on the Austrian culture of secrecy as a result of WWII - see
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/what-went ... -9228.html

Thanks for that link -- how bizarre. And sad.

And thanks for the great story, Alison :)

Author:  Alison H [ 19 Mar 2009, 08:50 ]
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They were both tired, and Ricki in particular had a lot of luggage to carry; but fortunately the hotel wasn’t far from the Bahnhof and they had no trouble following the directions which the Brauns had sent them, so the walk didn’t take them too long. Although they didn’t linger to look for more than a few moments at anything along the way, they saw enough of Mayhofen to form a very pleasant first impression of it. It was bustling with life yet didn’t seem to have been at all spoilt by the demands of the tourist industry; the buildings were generally typically Tyrolean-looking and there were flowers outside many of them despite the time of year; and the views were just glorious. They’d exchanged several smiles of sheer delight before they reached their destination, and were both already looking forward to getting out and exploring the place in the morning, before heading off to the ski slopes which they were eagerly anticipating too.

Karen and her husband Rudi both happened to be in the reception area of the hotel when the two young women walked in; and Karen recognised Con at once, saying how pleased she was to see her and – much to Ricki’s relief! – calling the hotel porter to help the two newly-arrived guests with their bags and ski equipment. Karen asked Con and Rudi if they remembered each other from Gretchen and David’s wedding and they both said with a smile that they did but only “just about” as there’d been so many people there; Con introduced Ricki; and then Karen excused herself for a few moments and reappeared with her two children following her.

Con noted with wry amusement that they both eyed her with some suspicion when the name “Maynard” was mentioned, and wondered exactly what they’d heard Anna saying about life at Freudesheim; but once it was explained that she was David’s cousin the suspicious expressions vanished at once. Alexander said thoughtfully that she looked a bit like David, actually, and that he hoped that she and her friend would enjoy their holiday; and Anneliese said that she hoped that they’d have a brilliant time in Mayrhofen and were they going to see any of the events at the Winter Olympics (which she and her friends were all really, really excited about, she explained).

They all chatted for a little while. Con had a letter from Anna to give to Karen, and good wishes for her from various other people around the Gornetz Platz; and Karen and Rudi both insisted that Con and Ricki mustn’t hesitate for a moment to ask if they wanted advice about how to get from Mayrhofen town centre to the ski slopes or other parts of the region or just about where to go or what to do in the area generally.

“Although I’m not sure that two old fogeys like us’ll know the places most likely to interest you,” Rudi said with a grin. Karen dug him in the ribs and said “Less of the old fogeys, you!” and he laughed and put his arm round her. He also added that he understood that Con and Ricki, like himself and Karen, were invited to the dinner party at the Schloss Wertheim the following week and that the two young women would be more than welcome to a lift there and back if they’d like one; and they accepted the offer gratefully.

The room was delightful, the meal was every bit as good as Con had assured Ricki that it would be; and, after they’d eaten, first Ricki and then Con had a long, hot and much-enjoyed soak in the bath. They didn’t stay up for long after that. Ricki fell asleep almost as soon as she’d got into her bed; and Con read for a little while but it wasn’t long before she turned the light off and snuggled under the covers and shortly afterwards she was slumbering peacefully too.

Author:  Emma A [ 19 Mar 2009, 09:59 ]
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Lovely to see Karen and Rudi and the twins again - and am, like Con, wondering what caused the doubtful expressions on the twins' faces at the name of Maynard!

Thanks, Alison.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 19 Mar 2009, 12:35 ]
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I'm not so much really. If Anna is going to offload, she'll do it with Karen and chances are the twins have heard that. No matter how much you love a job, there will always be moments you want to have a good whinge and then you feel better about it after, however, if anyone hears it like Alexander may have, then they would end up with a different view.

Thanks Alison

Author:  Alison H [ 20 Mar 2009, 08:54 ]
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There might have been a shortage of snow in some parts of Tyrol – six artificial snow -making machines from the United States and three thousand members of the Austrian army had had to be called into action to ensure that all the events at the Winter Olympics went ahead as planned – but Mayrhofen wasn’t one of them: the conditions were excellent for ski-ing, with blue sky and winter sunshine making it pleasant for walking as well.

Ricki hadn’t done any ski-ing since leaving school and Con was rather out of practice as well, and they both found themselves tumbling to the ground on more than one occasion. However, they were enjoying themselves too much to mind excessively - especially as there was never a shortage of willing young men rushing over to offer to help them up - – and after the first couple of days they were both back in the swing of things and had moved on to the more advanced slopes. Most days they remained out on the pistes until darkness started to fall, then returned to the hotel for a rest and a large evening meal, on some nights staying in the hotel to enjoy the entertainment there and on others heading out to enjoy a few drinks in one or more of the many lively bars around the town.

However, they weren’t there just to ski: they did some sightseeing as well and, of course, one of the major purposes of their visit was to see some of the Games, which were the main topic of conversation amongst practically everyone in Tyrol during those last few days of January and first nine days of February when the eyes of the sporting world were on Innsbruck and its surrounding area. David rang to speak to Con and told her what a marvellous time he, Gretchen and little Daniel, together with various other members of the extended Pfeifen family, had had watching some of the ice-skating at Innsbruck’s newly-built Olympia Eisstadion, which was also hosting the ice hockey; Karen and Rudi took Anneliese and Alexander to the ski-jumping at the newly-built Bergisel ski jump to the south of the city and all four of them came back raving about how wonderful it had been; and Con also knew that the von und zu Wertheims and the Mensches were going to watch the finals of the bobsleigh and luge competitions at Igls.

Her own main interest and Ricki’s lay in the cross-country ski-ing. For that they had to go to Seefeld, which was some distance from Mayrhofen, but they didn’t mind making an early start and actually thoroughly enjoyed their journey through the snow-covered countryside. They arrived early enough to have time to have a look round the town, which neither of them had ever visited before, and then they had a superb time marvelling at the skills of the international competitors and enjoying the intense excitement which comes with attending a major sporting event. It was a glorious day, and they were both so excited afterwards that it was the early hours of the morning before they got to sleep.

Two days after that came the dinner party at the Schloss Wertheim, at which the Games were high on the list of topics of conversation.

Author:  JS [ 20 Mar 2009, 09:13 ]
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Sounds like they're having a lovely time; thanks Alison.

Author:  keren [ 20 Mar 2009, 10:53 ]
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I am always impressed by the amount of reseach you must have to do to write these drabbles.

I enjoy reading daily updates even if I do not always have time to comment on them.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 20 Mar 2009, 11:08 ]
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Thanks Alison, am really enjoying the updates

Author:  abbeybufo [ 20 Mar 2009, 11:31 ]
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keren wrote:
I enjoy reading daily updates even if I do not always have time to comment on them.


So do I - and sorry I haven't had much time to comment recently [when I retire . . .] - loving this one, thanks, Alison :D

Author:  Abi [ 20 Mar 2009, 20:13 ]
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Ah, it's nice to see them having such a good time. Thanks Alison!

Author:  stuffs [ 20 Mar 2009, 23:14 ]
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This is really good -How on earth you come up with these ideas I really don't know but Exile is my favourite and I've always felt that not enough was said (or known really) about the effect that whole time has had on people. well done for this, look forward to the next posting - I've read all this in one go but I think I'm going to have to join the morning crew to keep up :hiding:

Author:  Alison H [ 21 Mar 2009, 08:25 ]
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Thanks for the comments :D .

Ricki hadn’t been brought up to place any great emphasis on titles or grandeur, but even so she found the thought of dining with a Count and Countess at a Schloss rather overwhelming and was excited and nervous in equal measures throughout the morning and afternoon of the day concerned. Con assured her that “Auntie Marie and Uncle Eugen” were really very nice and that it was going to be a relatively informal evening anyway, but she still agonised for hours over whether or not the dress and shoes she’d brought for the occasion were really suitable after all and the chances of her inadvertently committing some terrible breach of etiquette and showing both herself and Con up.

She relaxed somewhat in the car on the way to the Schloss, when Karen, trying to calm her nerves, said with a smile that she’d once spent a few days working as a cook at the Schloss Wertheim so could Ricki imagine how nervous she’d been the first time she’d gone there as a guest but that in the end there’d been nothing to be nervous about at all. Con and Rudi added further assurances that it would be a much more relaxed evening than she seemed to be anticipating; and by the time they arrived she’d pretty much stopped worrying and was looking forward to it.

She’d half-expected to find a liveried footman waiting to escort them from the car, but there wasn’t one - although the door was answered by a butler, and the dining room was definitely very grand. She could imagine that it would seem very imposing indeed when filled by a large party, but as it was there were only going to be ten of them present. The ten were the Count and Countess, herself and Con, David and Gretchen, Rudi and Karen – there was some sort of business connection there, she gathered – and Gottfried and Gisela Mensch who were related to the Count and Countess by marriage. Ricki had heard a lot over the years about the former Gisela Marani, the legendary first ever Head Girl of the Chalet School, and was particularly looking forward to meeting her.

The party from Mayrhofen arrived early, as Eugen von und zu Wertheim had said apologetically that he knew that it was meant to be a dinner party and not a business meeting but that he could really do with having a word with Rudi about a conference to be held at the Schloss in the spring. Once Con had introduced Ricki and everyone had been supplied with a drink, the two men excused themselves and disappeared off to the Count’s study, promising not to be too long.

“Well, I don’t see why we should just sit around in here whilst we wait for those two to finish talking!” Marie von und zu Wertheim declared. She turned to Ricki. “You work at an art gallery, I understand, Ricki?” she asked, smiling. “Con mentioned that you might like to see some of the artwork and furniture here. If it wouldn’t be too boring for Karen or Con, we could have a look round now if you’d like?”

Ricki, who’d been longing to have a look round the castle but hadn’t been sure that it would quite polite to ask, was thrilled by the suggestion and said fervently that she’d love to see round the castle, as long as it was all right with Karen and Con. They both said it sounded like a lovely idea; and so Marie took them off for a quick guided tour, pointing out some of the items which she thought would interest them most. Ricki was fascinated by them all, and said so enthusiastically, much to Marie’s delight.

Author:  Lexi [ 21 Mar 2009, 10:59 ]
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This is brilliant Alison. So nice to catch up on such a variety of characters as well :D

Author:  Lesley [ 21 Mar 2009, 15:13 ]
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That's nice - pleased that Karen now feels completely at ease going there - and Marie is lovely.


Thanks Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 22 Mar 2009, 09:47 ]
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“Not at all: honestly, it’s wonderful to meet someone who’s so interested in it all!” Marie assured Ricki when she apologised for asking so many questions. “You should have heard all the questions I asked when I first came to live here! I was only eighteen when Eugen and I got married, barely out of school, and I didn’t know much about art and china and furnishings and such like at all.”

She sighed reminiscently. “Ah, I wish you could have seen the place in those days, Ricki! I could weep when I think of all the things we’ve lost since then; and I know that for Eugen it’s even sadder because they were family heirlooms, things that his ancestors had collected over generations and generations. A great deal was taken by the Nazis after they commandeered the Schloss in 1938; and after the War it was some time before the building and the estate were restored to us, and in the meantime the place wasn’t properly secured and there were several break-ins and so we lost even more.

“Still, it didn’t all go, and we’ve managed to recover a few of the things that were taken. And we’ve been able to repair most of the damage that was done to the actual building itself, thank goodness. I really did weep when I saw what a mess our poor Schloss was in when we were first able to return: it had been terribly neglected whilst all the legal wrangling had been going on. Keeping a building like this in reasonable condition isn’t easy – I’m sure that you understand what I’m saying – and over the last ten to fifteen years several Schlosses in Tyrol which used to be private residences have now been turned into hotels; but we’re been very lucky in that the arrangement by which the place is used as a conference centre works very well and that enables us to manage.”

She smiled. “We seem to get more and more organisations wanting to hold conferences here every year, and hopefully this year and next year’ll be even better with all the publicity that Tyrol’s getting because of the Winter Olympics. Oh, I almost forgot to ask – did you all enjoy yourselves at the events that you went to? We had a wonderful time watching the bobsleighing!”

“We went to the ski-jumping, and Alexander and Anneliese have hardly stopped talking about it for more than a few minutes at a time ever since!” Karen laughed. “They’re both very disappointed that there are no plans to build a ski jump in Mayrhofen! Rudi and I enjoyed ourselves too: it was very exciting, and it was a wonderful experience to see Olympic events live.”

“We went to the cross-country ski-ing in Seefeld. It was absolutely brilliant, wasn’t it?” Con said, smiling at Ricki. “And David and Gretchen went to the ice-skating: David told me about it briefly on the phone but I must ask them more about it when they get here. It sounded superb.”

The ice-skating had indeed been superb, the Russells confirmed later on when all ten of the party had sat down to eat. “I only wish that I was good enough to be able to take part in skating events,” Gretchen said, sighing. “Just something local, I mean, obviously. I love skating. Mind you, I’d never be able to find the time - even if I were any good, which I’m afraid I’m not! And I don’t think I’d look too great in one of those little dresses that the female skaters wear. I’m nowhere near slim enough to be able to wear anything like that!”

“Oh, you look pretty good to me,” David said with a grin. “Better than any of those skaters!” Gretchen blushed; and he laughed before continuing speaking.

“I’m not as interested in ice-skating as Gretchen is, but even so I thought it was a great day. And it was all very well-organised. The whole thing’s run pretty smoothly from an organisational viewpoint, really, hasn’t it? I know that there was a fair bit of arguing leading up to it – some people saying that all the events should all have been held in Innsbruck itself rather than some of them being staged round and about, and moaning because the athletes’ village was ten miles out of town; and then of course there were all those problems because of the weather – but it’s been all right on the night, so to speak. And I believe that around a thousand million people have been watching on television, which when you think about it is just amazing. A thousand million people!”

(Note – there were two fatal accidents during training prior to the 1964 Winter Olympics. I haven’t mentioned them in the text, so to speak, because they don’t relate to the story; but I just felt that I should mention them somewhere so I’m mentioning them here. Also, I put "a thousand million" because in the '60s a "British billion" was still a million million.)

Author:  Chris [ 22 Mar 2009, 11:25 ]
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I love this story - so full of historical detail, and so interesting. I have often wondered about the Austrians and their attitudes. Even now with the Fritzl affair there are comments in the papers about their perceived attitude during the war.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 22 Mar 2009, 12:36 ]
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Thanks Alison, am really enjoying both updates. Am wondering if they'll get a chance to discuss what happened in Spartz all those years ago with the others, especially as Gottfried did help the others escape

Author:  Celia [ 22 Mar 2009, 15:03 ]
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Really enjoying this Alison, thanks

Author:  PaulineS [ 22 Mar 2009, 19:50 ]
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Thank you Alison for the detailed updates.

Author:  Lesley [ 22 Mar 2009, 20:09 ]
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Thanks Alison

Author:  wheelchairprincess [ 22 Mar 2009, 20:14 ]
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Alison I am really enjoying this story even if I haven't been commenting much. I've been really busy and have been reading every few days. I love that you update everyday as it means if I have a spare few minutes everyday there is something new for me to read and if I don't get here for a few days there are several updates for me to read. Thank you!

Author:  Kathy_S [ 22 Mar 2009, 21:04 ]
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Thank you, Alison. I'm also really enjoying the period detail, as well as the interactions between the characters.

Author:  crystaltips [ 23 Mar 2009, 00:10 ]
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I don't post my appreciation as often as I should :oops:

This is great Alison, thank you for posting so frequently :D

Author:  Miss Di [ 23 Mar 2009, 02:38 ]
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I'm another one who doesn't do much but pop up and say thanks. But I am enjoying reading and all the history details.

Author:  Alison H [ 23 Mar 2009, 08:48 ]
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“It’s been a great success for Tyrol. For Austria as a whole,” Gretchen said quietly. “Really, it’s been the first time that Austria’s been the focus of world attention since the State Treaty was signed and it’s been just what we needed. I don’t think that people in other countries always know quite what to make of us and hopefully this has shown us in a very positive light. For one thing, hopefully all the pictures of the winter sports and the scenery are going to attract more tourists,” - she exchanged smiles with Karen and Rudi – “and for another thing hopefully the fact that it’s gone so well has shown the world that we’re a modern nation and that we’re moving forward.”

Eugen von und zu Wertheim nodded. “I agree. And that has to be a good thing. So long as we retain the positive things that we’ve inherited from our country’s past, of course.” He smiled as the first course was set before him. “Our traditional food, to name one very important example! This looks delicious!”

“And our music and our dances,” Gottfried Mensch said seriously. “Our local music – our Schuhplattler dances – and our beautiful waltzes. And the music of Mozart, of course. Wonderful, wonderful Mozart!”

“My husband loves music: all his side of the family are musical,” Gisela, smiling, said to Ricki who was sitting next to her and hadn’t said much so far. “Our eldest daughter Natalie takes after them: she was interested in music from a very early age, and she plays professionally now. Ah, I remember when I was a young girl, I would go to visit my friend Bernhilda – Gottfried’s sister, who’s now married to Marie’s brother – and she’d play the violin and Gottfried would sing and their younger sister Frieda would play the piano. The three of them sounded wonderful together: I loved listening to them.”

“I saw a show in the West End not long ago about an Austrian family who were all musical and performed together in a group,” Ricki, pleased to be able to find a way of joining in the conversation, said eagerly. “It was really good: it’s had rave reviews in all the newspapers and magazines. In fact, they’re making a Hollywood film of it: I can’t wait until it’s out.

“It’s based on a true story, actually: it’s about a woman who’s going to become a nun at a convent in Salzburg but gets sent to look after seven children whose mother’s died and whose governesses keep leaving, and ends up marrying their father. Then, just after the wedding, the Anschluss happens and the Nazis try to make him – the father, I mean, who’s a retired naval captain – join the navy of the Third Reich. He’s opposed to the Nazis – everyone else in the area’s flying the flag of the Third Reich outside their houses, but he refuses to – and they decide to flee the country.


“They can’t go by public transport or by road because the Nazis are looking for them, so they escape over the mountains to Switzerland on foot.” She was about to add “like Mrs Maynard and the others did” but remembered just in time that Gottfried Mensch had been a member of that party and decided that it might seem as if she were trivialising would must have been a horrific experience for him if she compared it to a scene from a stage show. “Well, that’s not what happened to the real family, but it’s what happens in the show. They only just manage to get away from Salzburg safely because they’re spotted by the eldest daughter’s boyfriend, who’s joined the Nazis, but it all ends up all right in the end. It’s a really good show. The music’s lovely: I couldn’t get it out of my head for weeks afterwards. If they ever show it over here I’d definitely recommend seeing it.”

She paused, and it was then that it hit her that a deathly hush had fallen right across the room. With a sinking heart, she realised that she’d inadvertently managed to say completely the wrong thing.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 23 Mar 2009, 09:50 ]
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Oh poor Ricki. I know she didn't mean it the way it sounded-she was only trying to make a connection with these people. I hope, she is able to get it sorted out

Author:  keren [ 23 Mar 2009, 09:51 ]
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All the men in the room had fled the country, and she was sitting in a schloss that had been left for the Nazis!

poor Ricki

Author:  Emma A [ 23 Mar 2009, 11:39 ]
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Poor Ricki - I daresay most of those round the table would wonder what on earth could be entertaining about such a story. I'm really enjoying this, Alison - thank-you.

Author:  Joey [ 23 Mar 2009, 12:26 ]
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I've just caught up on four days' worth of posts - we've had house guests. Thank you, Alison! I kind of wish I'd missed another day though, so I wouldn't have to wait to see what happens next... Poor Ricki, and everyone else.

Author:  Sarah_G-G [ 23 Mar 2009, 17:11 ]
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Aw, shame! At least she managed to realise in time she'd inadvertantly started on the wrong track and stopped herself from the "just like Auntie Joey and the others!" remark. Thinking about it, the film must have sounded like such an odd one to the Austrians, especially as it's meant to be such a "feelgood" one.

Author:  Alison H [ 23 Mar 2009, 17:21 ]
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Sarah_G-G wrote:
Thinking about it, the film must have sounded like such an odd one to the Austrians, especially as it's meant to be such a "feelgood" one.


They make a big deal of it in Salzburg for foreign tourists (I got very excited about seeing the convent and the fountain, and embarrassed the friend I was with by running through some fields near our hotel singing "The hills are alive" in my extremely bad voice!), but the film wasn't shown in Austrian cinemas when it came out and it's only been shown on Austrian TV once and that wasn't until the 1990s. The first stage production of the show in Austria wasn't until 2005.

(Yes, I am so sad that I know these things :oops: :lol: !)

Author:  KJX [ 23 Mar 2009, 21:28 ]
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Oh please save her soon - she must be dying a thousand deaths right now!

Author:  Lesley [ 23 Mar 2009, 22:33 ]
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Poor Ricki - and yet she hasn't shown Austria in a poor light - far from it. :cry:


Thanks Alison

Author:  Bride [ 23 Mar 2009, 22:49 ]
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:D I've been on the Sound of Music tour! It was lots of fun! :D

Author:  Miss Di [ 24 Mar 2009, 03:07 ]
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Oh poor Ricki. How cringe making for her.

Author:  Alison H [ 24 Mar 2009, 08:46 ]
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Looking down at the floor and wishing heartily that it would open and swallow her up, Ricki tried desperately to think what on earth she could say that might mitigate what had evidently been the most terrible faux pas. Oh, why hadn’t she just kept her mouth shut and not said anything at all? The last thing she’d intended to do had been to offend anyone – she’d just been trying to join in the conversation and to say that she associated Austria with music - but clearly she’d made a dreadful blunder in talking about the von Trapps’ flight from the Nazis.

She felt awful. All the other people sitting around the table were so nice, and they’d made her feel so welcome; and now she’d obviously distressed them. Gisela had lost her father in a Nazi concentration camp, of course, she thought sadly; and Con had mentioned earlier in the week that Karen’s brother had been killed in the War. But so many people at home had lost loved ones in the War too, and the subject wasn’t taboo there: it was actually something which some people spoke about quite a lot. Clearly it was different here, though. The Countess had mentioned the War briefly earlier, but that had been in the specific context of the damage done to the von und zu Wertheims’ property; and she certainly hadn’t made any reference to native Austrians supporting the Nazis.

She could have bitten her tongue off, but it was too late now anyway. Oh hell, what on earth was she going to say?

“I am so sorry,” she managed. She forced herself to look round the table. “I just meant … I was just trying to say about the music. I didn’t mean too … I can’t apologise enough.”

“It’s all right.” It was Gretchen, who seemed to have recovered more quickly than any of the older Austrian people present, who spoke. “Really, it’s all right. I’ve heard of that show, as it so happens. Susan – an old schoolfriend of mine – told me about it: she and her husband’ve been to see it, and she thought that with it being set in Austria David and I might like to see it next time we’re in Britain. She even said that maybe it’d be translated into German and put on over here.” Despite a warning look from David, she shook her head and her tone changed. “I can guarantee that it won’t be, though. There’s not a chance of it. People wouldn’t have it. Nearly twenty years and we still don’t talk about what happened unless we have to.”

“Lots of people don’t like talking about the War,” Ricki said timidly. “I shouldn’t have mentioned it. I’m really sorry. I know it can upset people, and I know that some of you … lost people.” She looked at Gisela and at Karen. Then she turned to Marie and Eugen. “And I know that you lost the castle, for a while, and that it was badly damaged and a lot of your things were taken.”

“We were the lucky ones.” A shadow fell over Marie’s face, and she looked at Gisela, remembering Herr Marani, the kind, fatherly man known to her and her friends as “Onkel Florian”. “So many people weren’t. We were very fortunate: we were in America visiting Eugen’s cousins when the Anschluss happened. If we’d been here when it happened, or if we’d come back afterwards – and the Nazis ordered us to – then … well, Eugen was the head of a family who were very well-known in this area, and if someone like him had made clear his opposition to Nazi rule, he would have been … taken away. Like so many other people were. My brother-in-law was taken away. And so was the sweetheart of my friend Frieda, Gottfried’s sister. They managed to escape, but most people didn’t.” Again she looked at Gisela, her face full of sorrow and compassion.

“They’d have taken me too, if I hadn’t been abroad.” This time it was Rudi who spoke. Karen’s eyes filled with tears and she looked as if she were about to ask him to change the subject: he took her hands in his, but he carried on with what he was saying. “I was heavily involved in the labour movement during the early 1930s. I learnt after the War that many of the people whom I’d worked with in those days had … disappeared, taken by the Nazis. Within weeks of the Anschluss.” He shook his head. “The Nazis had lists of names. Given to them by informers. Some of the people I’d worked alongside must have gone to their deaths because their names were given to the Nazi authorities by people whom they knew!”

“The Moscow Declaration,” Con said, thinking out loud about the Allied statement in 1943 which had referred to Austria as the first victim of Nazi aggression but had at the same time said that Austrians were partly responsible for what had happened in their country, and not even realising that she’d done so until she found that everyone was looking at her.

She went as red as Ricki was. “I’m really sorry. I was just thinking out loud. That is, I mean, I was just thinking that …”

Her voice tailed off and, much as Ricki had done earlier, she looked down at the floor and wished that it would open and swallow her up. This evening was turning into a nightmare.

Author:  keren [ 24 Mar 2009, 08:54 ]
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Gretchen is in the strange postion of having recently returned to Austria, so not having grown up with the culture of "not talking about it".
I wonder if she realizes now that she was lucky to have grown up in England, and not in the atmosphere of post war Austria.

Author:  Emma A [ 24 Mar 2009, 09:39 ]
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Really interesting update, hearing everyone's stories of what happened to each of them during the war. None of the people there had had anything to do with the Nazis, but I guess they feel tarred by association.

Thank-you.

Author:  Sarah_G-G [ 24 Mar 2009, 09:52 ]
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Oh no, poor Con now! Really interesting update though, and fascinating seeing the differences in how generations and countries react to the war. I've been to Salzburg too actually, though didn't do the actual tour. I do know that the film isn't generally known to a lot of Austrians- I was a language assistant in southern Austria and ended up spending part of one lesson trying to describe the film as the students had never heard of it! They knew Julie Andrews because of Mary Poppins thought. :lol: Interestingly, when I was there I don't think I ever brought up the war (no reason to, really) but Austrians seemed to quite often, in order to ask what British people think of Austria and the Austrians now. That's how I ended up describing the film by the way- I'd been asked about Austrian stereotypes and ended up saying "music, mountains, er... The Sounds of Music..." Tactfully avoided saying most people I'd spoken to about going there didn't seem to know exactly where it was or what language they spoke :( I kept having people say to me, "I didn't know you studied Austrian! I thought it was French and German that you did? Oh, do they speak French there, then?"

Author:  JS [ 24 Mar 2009, 11:24 ]
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The poor girls - how awkward. I was idly wondering about what everyone would be calling each other (just to add some more awkwardness). Do Karen and Marie call each other by their first names? Do Rikki and Con call Karen Frau Braun? Does Rikki call Marie 'Countess'?

Thanks Alison - been away so just caught up with several lovely posts.

Author:  Alison H [ 24 Mar 2009, 12:15 ]
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JS wrote:
The poor girls - how awkward. I was idly wondering about what everyone would be calling each other (just to add some more awkwardness). Do Karen and Marie call each other by their first names? Do Rikki and Con call Karen Frau Braun? Does Rikki call Marie 'Countess'?

Thanks Alison - been away so just caught up with several lovely posts.


Austria is fairly formal, but I decided that seeing as they are all friends here :D they would agree to use first names (apart from Con and David who would call Marie and Gisela "Auntie" and Eugen and Gottfried "Uncle"). I showed Gretchen and Ricki agreeing to call each other by their first names when they met but decided that it would get boring to do the same with every introduction :lol: . I certainly don't think that they'd have used first names unless it had been agreed that they'd do so, though.

I did go on about this at length in a previous drabble, but I'll say it again :lol: - I think it was very rude that Karen (and, before her, Marie and Luise) were addressed by their first names by the girls when they were cooks/heads of the domestic staff and would normally (according to British etiquette :wink: ) thus have been called "Mrs [surname]".

Author:  Cat C [ 24 Mar 2009, 12:16 ]
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Quote:
Interestingly, when I was there I don't think I ever brought up the war (no reason to, really) but Austrians seemed to quite often, in order to ask what British people think of Austria and the Austrians now. That's how I ended up describing the film by the way- I'd been asked about Austrian stereotypes and ended up saying "music, mountains, er... The Sounds of Music..."


It's interesting comparing Austrian attitudes with those of the Germans (not that I know a great deal about either). There has also been a lot of negative comment about Autrian culture in the papers recently over that poor girl kept in the cellar all those years.

Author:  shazwales [ 24 Mar 2009, 20:03 ]
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Thanks Alison this is superb. :!: :!:

Author:  Lesley [ 24 Mar 2009, 20:18 ]
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Oh dear! Con you're conforming to type again, aren't you? Hope the Austrians will be able to accept it.


Thanks Alison

Author:  Clare [ 24 Mar 2009, 20:59 ]
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I've been on the SOund of Music tour and the guide said (in 2004) that the film had only really been available for a few years and most Austrians just watched it for the end when the Von Trapp family are escaping... into Bavaria in the region where Hitler and his top men liked to holiday :roll: (basically in the film the Von Trapps are heading for the Eagles Nest). I also visited the Fortress which houses a musuem of the Austrian army. I'm getting goosebumps now just remembering walking into a room and realising I was surrounded by the uniforms worn during the 1930s and 1940s. It was so surreal being totally surrounded by Nazi insignias.

I'm absolutely gripped by this story and I'm going to wait to get the next update until I've had my horrible year 8s - it'll give me something to aim for to get through the lesson!

Author:  Miss Di [ 25 Mar 2009, 03:02 ]
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Open mouth. Change feet.

Feeling desperately sorry for Ricki and Con making such clangers - but really has any one said to them "by the way, don't mention the war"?

Author:  Kathy_S [ 25 Mar 2009, 04:28 ]
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Digging themselves deeper, aren't they. :?

Hope someone manages to defuse things!

Thank you, Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 25 Mar 2009, 08:49 ]
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I did keep imagining John Cleese popping up and saying "Don't mention the War"! Hope this bit doesn't read too much like EBD in Swiss-half-tern-trip-didactic mode ...

“You meant that the role of Austria was ambiguous? You are right, Con.” Gottfried looked at her steadfastly. “Hasn’t Rudi just said that some of his comrades were betrayed by people whom they knew? And I, I who’d never been anything but proud to be Tyrolean, had to face knowing that my friend – my dear friend and colleague, your father – had been arrested here in Tyrol by Nazis, Austrian Nazis. I had to face the fact that my country had become a place from which a group of defenceless schoolgirls had to flee for fear of what might happen to them if they didn’t - after becoming involved in a clash with people who hadn’t been sent here from Germany but who came from Spartz. And as your father and Robin were making their way away from the Sonnalpe, they had to make their escape from two Nazi spies who were local men, men from the Tiernsee.

“The Moscow Declaration might have recorded that Austria was Nazi Germany’s first victim, but it also recorded that Austria had to be held accountable for what it had done. Maybe that was an excuse for the Soviets to try to bleed the part of the country under their control dry afterwards, but no-one would have said it of Poland, or Czechoslovakia, or any other country. Only of us. That was how we were seen. And that was because it was true. In the case of some Austrians, it was true. That is our shame.”

He was getting emotional now, and Gisela tried to hush him but for once he ignored her and carried on speaking. “Do you know that it’s generally believed that the original plan was for Austria to remain, if not independent, then at least autonomous? The decision to make our country part of the Third Reich was only taken after Hitler marched through Austria and huge crowds of people turned out and cheered him. They cheered him.”

“In most cases people weren’t expressing support for Nazism, though, surely,” David said carefully. “Only for the idea of Austrian union with Germany. And that was what what many people in Austria had wanted in the first place, after the Empire was dissolved I mean - only the Allies refused to allow it.”

Eugen nodded. “It would have seemed logical in many ways for Austria to have been united with Germany after the dissolution of the Empire. There’d been so much talk about independence for the Hungarians, about re-establishing a Polish state, about setting up a state for the Czechs and Slovaks, about the position of South Slavs too, about whether Transylvania was Hungarian or Romanian; and, of course, once the Great War was over, about Italy and its demands; but not very much at all had been said about “Austria”, especially not about Austria without the Habsburgs.

“In all the chaos at the end of 1918, the Austrian administration, such as it was, actually declared union with Germany at one point. No-one took very much notice of them, but they did. And when it became clear that that wasn’t going to happen in reality, the name at first used for the new Austrian state was “German Austria”. And here in Tyrol, in many ways we’re closer culturally to Munchen than we are to Wien. Tyrol even voted to become part of Germany, in the May of 1919, as you may or may not know – although of course again it was something that never actually came about.

“I think that a lot of that was in the hope that being part of a larger country might somehow help in reuniting North and South Tyrol.” He paused at this point, and frowned. South Tyrol remained under Italian rule, without even the full degree of autonomy that it had been promised in 1946: it was an issue that rankled strongly in North Tyrol as well as South Tyrol, had led to a number of terrorist attacks in recent years and continued to sour relations between the Austrian and Italian governments. He shook his head. “A lot of it was just the idea that all German-speaking peoples should be part of one country, though – and of course that didn’t just apply to Tyrol but to the whole of Austria”.

Author:  shazwales [ 25 Mar 2009, 09:45 ]
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Thank you. Fabulous again :!:

Author:  Emma A [ 25 Mar 2009, 09:51 ]
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That was really interesting, Alison - not at all EBD-in-didactic mode! Not being a history buff I had no idea of all this stuff post-WW1.

Thank-you.

Author:  PaulineS [ 25 Mar 2009, 12:02 ]
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Thanks Alison it puts the actions in 1939 and in the 50's and early sixties into context. Austria was not the only country with colaboraters although it seems to be the most blamed.

For those who got out it must be difficult as knew people on both sides of the response to the German invasion. Many Austrians must like the French, Polish and some German's have tried to keep quiet and out of trouble without agreeing with Nazis. EBD and the Chalet books always emphasised that not all German's were complicit in the horrors of the war.

Author:  Lesley [ 25 Mar 2009, 21:26 ]
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Thanks Alison - very difficult for all of those present - because they were not there. :cry:

Author:  Abi [ 25 Mar 2009, 22:32 ]
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Just read the last four posts - felt very sorry for Ricki and Con, but the history is fascinating. I know so little of any history except British and I keep wishing I did! Thanks Alison.

Author:  Sarah_K [ 26 Mar 2009, 00:13 ]
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Thank you Alison.

Even if Rikki does feel awkward it's probably a good conversation to have, however painful :-S

(and I always rather liked the didactic bits of EBDs books, they tended to be things I didn't know just as a lot of this is!)

Author:  Miss Di [ 26 Mar 2009, 03:33 ]
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Thanks Alison, I'm not just enjoying I am also learning a lot.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 26 Mar 2009, 05:26 ]
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Thanks Alison, glad Gottfried spoke up. Really enjoying the historical information as I love history! :D

Author:  Alison H [ 26 Mar 2009, 08:49 ]
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“But, as you say, David, the Allies would never have allowed a union between Germany and Austria. Under the terms of the peace treaty made between the Allies and Austria in 1919 union with Germany was expressly forbidden - unless permission were given by the League of Nations, which it wouldn’t have been. And when loans were made to Austria by the League during the 1920s one of the conditions was that Austria accept that there could be no Anschluss within twenty years. And Austria needed that money. When the Empire broke up and the new states were formed, most of the industrial areas became part of Czechoslovakia and a lot of the best arable land became part of Hungary. Things in Austria were in a terrible mess, and and no-one seemed able to form a government that could actually govern.”

“It was just madness, some of what went on back then,” Rudi said, shaking his head bitterly. “The police shooting Social Democrats dead in the streets, in 1927; and then Dolfuss deciding to rule with no parliament at all, like some sort of absolute monarch from the another age. As for Germany, though, relations between Germany and Austria weren’t really very good in the Twenties, so I think the idea of union at that time would have fallen by the board anyway. Some people were even talking quite seriously about restoring the Habsburgs at one time! And then, because relations with Germany weren’t going well, Dolfuss decided to cosy up to Mussolini! Much good that did him: Germany and Italy decided that they were going to split Central Europe between themselves into spheres of influence and Austria only featured insofar as they decided that it was going to be part of Germany’s sphere rather than part of Italy’s. Germany wasn’t even interested in the South Tyrol question: by the time war broke out Hitler and Mussolini had agreed between them that South Tyrol should remain part of Italy.”

“Who was Dolfuss?” Ricki had finally managed to bring herself to speak again. She blushed. “Sorry, I must seem really stupid, but I’ve never studied much Austrian history. I thought that the Chancellor at the time of the Anschluss was called Schuschnigg?”

Gisela nodded. “He was. In 1934, everything fell apart. First of all there was a series of strikes, and violence broke out between left-wing and right-wing forces – some people refer to it as Austria’s civil war. Then there was an attempted coup by Nazi elements – even then, German Nazis were looking towards Austria. It failed, but Dolfuss was assassinated. And then came Schuschnigg whom, as you say, was Chancellor at the time of the Anschluss. He came under pressure to hold a referendum on the idea of an Anschluss. And – not that the voting would have been free or fair - one was organised. And then it was cancelled.”

“And then Nazi Germany invaded,” Karen said flatly. “And took over. People were saying that the Austrian army could only have held out for two days at most, and in the end there was no resistance at all. Many people welcomed the Germans in, it’s true; but even for those of us who opposed the invasion there seemed to be little that we could do.”

“I think that Nazi Germany was just too powerful for a small state like Austria to have been able to hold out against it.” Eugen was speaking again now. “And of course it didn’t help that the chief of staff of the Austrian Army had been given the boot a couple of months earlier. Hitler more or less forced Schuschnigg into that, because he knew that plans to try to resist a German invasion were being made. I would have come home and tried to do something if I’d thought I’d’ve been able to help, but what could I have done? The Nazis purged the police. They purged the army, and merged what remained of it into the Army of the Third Reich.

“They arrested anyone who might have led any sort of opposition to them. Leaders of workers’ organisations, as Rudi said - and the union movement wasn’t that strong here anyway. Members of Catholic youth groups, and any priests who spoke out against them. People who’d been involved in the old right-wing Fatherland Front in Dolfuss’s time. And, when war came, men were given no choice about joining the army” – at this point Karen nodded tearfully, and Rudi put his arm round her shoulders – “and unmarried women had little choice about being made to work for the Nazi regime either. Most people felt that there was nothing that they could do.”

Author:  Emma A [ 26 Mar 2009, 09:51 ]
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Like Ricki, I know nothing about Austrian history, so thanks for the summary - it's fascinating to put some knowledge behind the events of Exile which were only portrayed from a domestic point of view.

Thank-you, Alison.

Author:  JB [ 26 Mar 2009, 10:36 ]
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Thanks, Alison. I had no idea about Austria's history either. Fascinating to know what was going on during the years the school was at the Tiernsee.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 26 Mar 2009, 11:49 ]
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Thanks Alison, for all the background information. After hearing that, its amazing in some senses Madge chose Austria to start her school with all that going on, though in saying that, there is a lot that goes on in history that doesn't impact a lot of places on a personal level.

BTW I do remember feeling shocked when Joey says some comment in United when they finally get home after being stranded on the way home from half term and Joey says no one would be able to wake her not even Hitler (and she says two other people). I guess for her at that stage Hitler was the Chancellor of Germany and that was all, whereas as our view of him is totally different! I guess what I'm trying to say is it's amazing to see how history came to gether to cause WWII and as someone said we don't tend to hear much about Austria.

Thanks Alison

Author:  PaulineS [ 26 Mar 2009, 12:30 ]
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Madge chose Austria because of its low cost of living. I never wondered why it was so low, but the your description of its political instability certainly explains why. I wonder how much EBD knew about the tensions when she was writing the early books. She gives minimal explaination in Exile, but there is little any earlier.

Author:  JS [ 27 Mar 2009, 08:27 ]
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Alison, where are you? I've got to go to a meeting soon so am missing my daily breakfast fix :(

Author:  Alison H [ 27 Mar 2009, 08:54 ]
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“Some people tried to resist.” Gisela’s voice was full of anguish. “Oh, Father … my poor father: when I think what happened to him … there are times that I wish that he’d just kept quiet, because what did the death of one person do to change anything? And Luigia: I can still see her face when she told me that she felt that she had a calling to become a nun … and for her to die like that … And the same thing could so easily have happened to Friedel and Bruno too.

“But I know that they couldn't have acted any differently. It wasn’t in their natures to do so. And I honour them for it, and I’m so proud to have had Father as my father and Luigia as my friend.” She began to weep. “A hundred and fifty marks. That’s what they charged people like us, to have their relatives’ ashes returned from Dachau. It was happening as early as the summer of 1938. They killed my father, and they burned his body, and they made us pay a hundred and fifty marks for the return of his ashes.”

Gottfried tried to comfort her, but she wiped her eyes and shook her head. “I’m all right, Gottfried. It’s as Gretchen says: we need to speak of these things. Making people feel that they’re subjects that can’t be discussed is wrong. It’s wrong and it’s unhealthy.”

“Your father was a wonderful man,” Gottfried said quietly. “I can’t but think that if there had been more like him … well, Austria wouldn’t have been able to stop what the Nazis were doing, that much is undeniable; but something might have been achieved. Look at the role of the French Resistance, for example, or the Partisans in Yugoslavia. There was nothing like that in Austria. Yes, there was some resistance organised by communist groups, but we’re talking very small numbers – and, truth be told, many of those involved were Slovenians from Carinthia, rather than Austrians.”

He paused for a moment, and a shadow crossed his face. “And there’s no denying that there were many people in Austria who actively aided and abetted the Nazis in what they did. We all know what happened that terrrible day in Spartz, and that was one incident of many thousands, especially in cities like Wien and Linz and Graz where many Jewish people lived. Even many who wouldn’t go as far as cold-blooded murder were only too happy to help to bully and humiliate people. And – as you were saying before, Rudi – there’s no denying the fact that there were large numbers of informers. And people who did far, far worse.”

“It was the same in many countries,” David, seeing that Gottfried was becoming upset, said quietly. “We all know that there were people in Austria who took the Nazi side, but there were many people in other countries who … well, not necessarily took the Nazi side, but at least were willing to work with them. Look at Quisling in Norway. Or Pétain in France.” He shook his head. “Dear Lord, the world went mad. I know that atrocities have been committed throughout human history, but what the Nazis did … thirty years ago, could people ever have imagined that such evil could take place? But it did.”

Author:  JB [ 27 Mar 2009, 09:27 ]
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I can face the day now i've this morning's update.

Author:  Emma A [ 27 Mar 2009, 10:23 ]
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It's probably a good thing that Con and Ricki were tactless, since I can't imagine this discussion happening otherwise. What a lot of sadness and anger they still feel about their countrymen and women, and the still-raw hurt that the Nazis and their atrocities could be unopposed.

Thank-you.

Author:  keren [ 27 Mar 2009, 10:39 ]
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very moving

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 27 Mar 2009, 11:01 ]
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Emma A wrote:
What a lot of sadness and anger they still feel about their countrymen and women, and the still-raw hurt that the Nazis and their atrocities could be unopposed.


It's probably why people don't discuss, it hurts to much, brings up too many emotions that are hard to deal with and then when you add into the mix a lot of friends and neighbours were on the opposite side, it would make it even harder

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well, Austria wouldn’t have been able to stop what the Nazis were doing, that much is undeniable; but something might have been achieved.


I've recently seen Valkyrie and what I couldn't get over was how close the assination came to suceeding. That the Germans themselves very nearly over threw Hitler. I also finally understood that it wasn't just killing Hitler that would have stopped the War but somehow managing to take control. And Poland tried to stop Hitler and didn't last long. I guess in the end sometimes like Herr Mariani, you have to stand up and fight for what you believe in.

Thanks Alison, this is as wonderful as always

Author:  Sarah_G-G [ 27 Mar 2009, 15:20 ]
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That made me quite tearful :cry: I always loved Herr Marani in the books and somehow the fact of being charged 150 marks for the return of his ashes seems inhuman, even though I'm all too aware that that was just the icing on the cake, as it were.

Author:  Abi [ 27 Mar 2009, 22:11 ]
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It must be so hard for them to talk and remember such awful things, but it has to be a good thing - it would be much, much worse if everything was forgotten. Con and Ricki should feel very privileged to hear all this first hand.

Thanks Alison.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 28 Mar 2009, 01:18 ]
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I am wondering if they'll mention Herr Goldmann's grand-daughter Sarah and her desire to see the place where her grandfather was killed and it all happened. I'm sure she would love to meet some of these people who could easily understand how she feels like Gisela and Gottfried

Author:  Maeve [ 28 Mar 2009, 07:31 ]
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Just had a lovely long catch up - thanks, Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 28 Mar 2009, 09:01 ]
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Thanks for the comments. OK, enough war talk for now ...

“I think that people’ll always struggle to truly be able to come to terms with what happened,” Gretchen said. “That sort of evil: it’s difficult for anyone’s mind to be able to encompass it. But not speaking about it doesn’t help.” She looked round the table. “I know that this isn’t really an ideal topic of conversation for over the dinner table, but I just wanted to say that it’s been very interesting for me to hear what you’ve all had to say – and to say thank you, really. Especially for talking about personal things, even though it must be upsetting …” She looked at Gisela, and then at Karen, hoping that she hadn’t said the wrong thing; but, although they both had tears in their eyes, they both smiled back at her reassuringly.

“I mean, I know the facts – insofar as anyone seems able to agree on the facts – but reading facts isn’t the same as hearing people actually talk about it. I know it’s difficult, but until people feel able to talk about it more, until we’re not always being made to feel that what happened back then’s a taboo subject, then we’re never going to be able to move on from it. I’m not saying that what happened in those days should ever be forgotten – of course it shouldn’t; that’s the last thing I’m saying – but I really do feel that we need to get past it, and we’re not going to be able to do that unless people stop trying to sweep certain aspects of it under the carpet. It has to be talked about. However difficult that may be.”

“It’s been interesting for me too,” Ricki said shyly. “I’m sorry if I upset anyone by what I said: I really, really didn’t mean it to sound as if I was … well, making remarks about the Nazis. But it has been very interesting for me. I understand what happened a lot better now than I did before.” Con was nodding in agreement.

“There’s nothing to apologise for, truly,” Eugen von und zu Wertheim assured her. “As Gretchen said, it might not be the usual sort of subject matter for conversation at a dinner party but it shouldn’t be something that’s considered unmentionable. Although it’ll always be a subject that’s harder for people to discuss in Austria than in France, or the Netherlands, or Denmark, or any other country. Austria’s position is … was … is … so ambiguous. Austria welcomed the Nazis in: Austria voted in favour of Anschluss, even though people knew what was happening in Germany: they couldn’t not have known, even if they might not have known what was happening later on, even if they genuinely didn’t know the worst of it. Many people in Austria worked with the German Nazis: no-one disputes it.”

He shook his head. “And yet so many people in Austria suffered so terribly. And, ultimately, most people were just caught up in a situation beyond their control. None of us even really know at first-hand what it was like: none of us were here from mid-1938 until well after the Nazis had been defeated.”

“That’s very true; and, whilst I fully concur that the subject needs to be spoken about more, I think that maybe now we should all concentrate on eating our hors d’oeuvres before the main course burns to a cinder,” Marie interjected at this point. It had been an interesting conversation, it was true; but they couldn’t carry on speaking about it all evening: they were supposed to be here for an evening of light relaxation with friends, after all. She turned to Con and smiled. “Con, I understand that you’ve just spent a few days at the Gornetz Platz? I haven’t heard from Joey since Christmas, and even then it was only a card. Why don’t you bring us all up to speed on everything that’s been happening there? And then you and Ricki can tell us all about how your holiday’s been going.

“Now, who’d like Schnitzel and who’d rather have Rindsrouladen? And who’s going to try a bit of both?”

Author:  Alex [ 28 Mar 2009, 11:12 ]
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Alison, I'm really enjoying this. And you must be the most regular updater on the board! Even at the weekend you post first thing in the morning.

Author:  Lesley [ 28 Mar 2009, 12:46 ]
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Thanks Alison - I think Marie was wise to change the subject - people need time to reflect on all that was said.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 28 Mar 2009, 13:17 ]
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Thanks Alison. It's nice to see more of this

Author:  Abi [ 28 Mar 2009, 15:44 ]
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Thanks Alison - this is great!

Author:  di [ 28 Mar 2009, 19:08 ]
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For some reason I haven't been notified of updates so have just spent some time catching up. The history of Austria's involvement in Nazi Germany was fascinating-I knew very little of it. But Marie was definitely right to change the subject at this point; any more would have put a dampner on the evening.
Thanks, Alison, looking forward to more. :)

Author:  stuffs [ 28 Mar 2009, 19:38 ]
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Just been catching up and there's something very serendipitous(sp?) going on here.....I'm sitting watching TV at the same time (always a multi tasker) and I've just realised that what's on is a programme about Hitler, his bodyguards and his urge to take over in Germany in 1934 and all the signals it gave about what was coming next, very spooky - or is it just saturday afternoon.
Keep it up Alison - it's really good and I'm looking forward to seeing how you bring this back to the Goldmanns and Robin.

Author:  Celia [ 28 Mar 2009, 22:39 ]
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Thanks Alison, I'm really interested in this.

Author:  Miss Di [ 29 Mar 2009, 05:41 ]
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Thanks Alison, as fascinating as always.
BTW, what is Rindsrouladen?

Author:  Alison H [ 29 Mar 2009, 06:51 ]
Post subject:  Re: The flames that burn on, updated 28/03/2009, p.18

Some sort of Austrian steak :D .

The rest of the evening was spent in conversation more along the lines that all the members of the party had expected when they’d first arrived. Con brought everyone up to speed on what was going on at the Gornetz Platz; the Mensches and the von und zu Wertheims shared the latest news of their grown-up children and young grandchildren; Karen and Rudi spoke proudly about the twins and answered various questions about how the ski season in the Zillerthal was going; David and Gretchen passed on news of their parents and siblings and, at Marie’s request, showed round a recent photograph of Daniel; Ricki and Con asked for and were given advice about sightseeing in Innsbruck; Austrian and British medal winners at the Winter Olympics were proudly discussed; and everyone said how much they’d enjoyed the meal.

The evening passed quite quickly, and Ricki was surprised when Gottfried said what a lovely evening it had been but that he and Gisela really had to set off home now because he had an early start in the morning. The others weren’t far behind: the Brauns also had to be up early in the morning, and David and Gretchen didn’t want to be too late getting home and relieving a cousin of Gretchen’s who was babysitting Daniel.

In the car on the way back to Mayrhofen, Con asked after Rudi’s elderly parents, whom Ricki gathered were old family friends of the Maynards and the Russells. Karen and Rudi assured her that they were both in reasonable health considering their age, Con said that she was pleased to hear that; and in the meantime Ricki closed her eyes and contemplated everything that she’d heard earlier in the evening. She felt, as she’d said, that she understood much better now the many reasons why the events of the Nazi era were so difficult for people in Austria to discuss. She agreed with Gretchen, however, that not speaking about it didn’t help – although, as the time for the meeting between herself and Con and Sarah Goldmann drew ever nearer, she was finding herself wondering more and more how they were to cope with it.

The following morning, by tacit consent neither she nor Con mentioned the War or the Nazis and instead concentrated on enjoying themselves. After a hearty breakfast, they headed out for an exhilarating day’s ski-ing, interrupted only by visits to a café with stunning views to indulge in huge mugs of coffee or hot chocolate and large slices of delicious Austrian cake. In the evening, they tucked into a wonderful meal back at the hotel – “I shall have to go on a strict diet the minute I get home,” Con said ruefully afterwards – and then headed off to the nearby bars where they amused themselves by pretending to be French and not to understand a word spoken to them by a pair of overly pushy young men who tried repeatedly in both English and German to persuade the two young women to join them for a walk, before eventually giving up.

The following day, they took themselves to see the spectacular Hintertux glacier, before enjoying a walk round Mayrhofen town centre and then some ski-ing later on. After dinner they sat in the hotel lounge, where a pianist was playing, and enjoyed coffee and cakes there. “Nobody makes coffee like Karen,” Con declared. “Don’t ever tell Anna I said that, though! And these cakes are just the end. I’d ask for the recipe, but I can guarantee they wouldn’t taste even half as good as like this if I made them! Mmm. Would it be greedy to order another one?”

Ricki shook her head. “Of course it wouldn’t. We’re on holiday. We’re allowed!”

Author:  Lesley [ 29 Mar 2009, 08:11 ]
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Alison what were you doing up so early? :shock: Especially on a day the clocks went forward! :wink:

Thanks for the update - love them pretending to be French to get rid of unwelcome suitors - and thoroughly agree with Ricki! :lol:

Author:  di [ 29 Mar 2009, 10:39 ]
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Thanks, Alison for your daily update. Did the sun wake you? It's gloriously sunny here in Ashton so I expect Manchester is much the same. :)

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 29 Mar 2009, 13:27 ]
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Thanks Alison

Author:  Abi [ 29 Mar 2009, 15:09 ]
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Loved them pretending to be French! This is great - thanks Alison!

Author:  Sarah_K [ 29 Mar 2009, 22:47 ]
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Nice to see that lots of cakes and yummy coffee are still a staple food :D

Author:  Alison H [ 30 Mar 2009, 07:54 ]
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The following day, they took the train into Innsbruck. They went first to see the Goldenes Dachl, where Con went into a long explanation of how the marriages of the Emperor Maximilian and his sons had brought the Habsburgs control of a vast empire before belatedly remembering that not everyone was as interested in history as she was and apologising profusely. Ricki assured her that it had all been quite fascinating really! Then they visited the Hofkirche – where, Con remembered her mother once telling her, Gisela and Gottfried Mensch’s wedding ceremony had taken place – and St Jacob’s Cathedral, both crowded with visitors who were staying in the Tyrolean capital for the Winter Olympics but no less interesting for that.

Afterwards, they went to look at the city’s main department store, Hamel’s on the Mariatheresienstrasse, and whilst browsing round the ladieswear section they happened to bump into Sophie Hamel, whose father had founded the store and who had been running it herself since his retirement several years earlier. Sophie, who’d been at school with Joey Maynard, was delighted to see Con and to meet Ricki, and treated them both to coffee and some extremely high quality chocolates in her office.

On their return to Mayrhofen, however, they had to turn their mind to more serious matters. When they went to collect their room keys from the hotel reception, they were told that there was a message for them from Sarah Goldmann, asking if they’d ring her at her Innsbruck hotel in order to make the arrangements for their meeting tomorrow. Con, rather guiltily, wished that she’d thought to contact Miss Goldmann first. She was having some serious doubts about her ability to handle this situation: she was glad that Ricki would be with her, but the main task of telling the story of what had happened would be hers and she caught herself wishing that her Auntie Robin had asked someone else to take this on. Three of the people who’d been in Spartz that day were now living in the Bernese Oberland, after all: it wouldn’t have been that difficult for one of them to have travelled to Spartz for the day.

Annoyed with herself, she told herself to pull herself together. She’d had relatively little to deal with in life, after all: it was high time that she learnt how to cope with difficult situations. Look how terribly how many people whom she knew, including her own mother and father, had suffered during the War - losing friends and relatives, having to leave their homes, undergoing terrible experiences. And look how many of her own friends had lost one or both parents at an early age -the Richardsons, Ted, Odette, Adrienne, and indeed Ricki herself. And how much worse must Miss Goldmann feel, at the prospect of seeing where her grandparents had died so horrible. It must have been a difficult couple of days for her already, revisiting Innsbruck, after having to leave it in under such dreadful circumstances, and with all the memories that the city must hold of her family.

She was being a coward. She could deal with this. She had to deal with it.

Author:  JS [ 30 Mar 2009, 08:57 ]
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Just had a nice - and informative - catch-up. Glad to see Sophie is doing well and looking forward to seeing what happens next.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 30 Mar 2009, 12:35 ]
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Poor Con! It would be nerve wracking for her, but glad she had a nice break/holiday with Ricki so far. Hope the meeting with Sarah goes well

Author:  Chris S [ 30 Mar 2009, 15:24 ]
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Thank you Alison. I've only just caught up on a large chunk of the story. I do wish my history teacher had been more like you. I have learned more about WW2 in the last hour than I ever learned at school.

Author:  Joey [ 30 Mar 2009, 15:28 ]
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Alison, last week was crazy so I've just caught up with all the posts since last Monday. The history was fascinating - thank you so much!

I'm a bit nervous about tomorrow's meeting, for Ricki, Con and Sarah.

Author:  di [ 30 Mar 2009, 18:51 ]
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Talk about setting the scene, Alison. :) We're all agog now waiting to see how Con handles the meeting with Sarah. If her story telling is anything like her mothers' she'll be fine.
Thanks for such regular posts.

Author:  crystaltips [ 30 Mar 2009, 20:12 ]
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Have just caught up on several posts - very enjoyable & informative.
Thanks Alison.

Author:  abbeybufo [ 30 Mar 2009, 20:14 ]
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I look forward to every day's update and read with great enjoyment - so thanks Alison, even if I don't manage to post every day to say so :D

Author:  Abi [ 30 Mar 2009, 21:02 ]
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Poor Con, that would be a pretty scaring ordeal. I'm sure she'll be fine when it comes to it, especially with Ricki there to help, but that won't make it any easier beforehand!

Thanks Alison.

Author:  Lexi [ 30 Mar 2009, 21:27 ]
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Can't wait for the next installment! I hope all goes well for Con at the meeting with Sarah.

I've just booked tickets to see a play about the Kindertransport as a result of reading this drabble so thank you for all the excellent historical info, I'm learning lots :D

Author:  Kathy_S [ 31 Mar 2009, 02:20 ]
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Poor Con! She can do it, though.

Nice wrap-up to the dinner conversation, too. I'm sure all of them really benefited. (Us too, of course. :))

Author:  Miss Di [ 31 Mar 2009, 02:59 ]
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I'm sure Con will do fine. She is a strong woman not a spineless jellyfish afterall!

Author:  Alison H [ 31 Mar 2009, 07:54 ]
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Thank you for the comments.

The first thing to do, Con thought to herself, was to decide where to suggest that they met, she decided. The café which she and Ricki had been to with Gretchen and Daniel had been lovely, its layout was such that if they got a table in a corner then they ought to be able to talk without other people being able to overhear what would be a very private conversation and it was close enough to the train station to be easy for all of them to find on arrival in Spartz. Ricki agreed with her, and she was just about to pick up the telephone when it occurred to her that Miss Goldmann might not be able to eat or even have a drink in a public café. She had only the vaguest knowledge of the Jewish dietary laws and the extent to which they were generally observed, and didn’t want to risk causing offence; and she asked Ricki what she thought but Ricki had no more idea than she did.

As a schoolgirl, she’d always considered that the Chalet School, equally welcoming of Protestants - of all denominations - and Catholics, was very ecumenical, and she’d also considered that it gave girls a broad education; and to some extent both things were undoubtedly true. However, the school’s insistence that girls regularly attend either Protestant or Catholic services whether they wanted to or not meant that hardly ever in its history had it attracted pupils of other faiths or none, and nothing about other faiths had ever been included in the curriculum. At Oxford and in her work Con had met a few people of other religions, but she didn’t know any of them particularly well and her understanding of religious practice in any non-Christian faith was based largely on what she’d read in books – and books didn’t necessarily reflect real life.

In the end, she decided to err on the side of caution, and to ask Karen and Rudi if they could think of anywhere in Spartz where, bearing in mind that the weather was too cold for it to be very pleasant sitting outside for long, she, Ricki and Miss Goldmann might be able to hold a conversation without food or drink being involved. However, when she did so, Rudi pointed out at once that if Miss Goldmann were particularly strict in terms of observing dietary laws then it was extremely unlikely that she’d be staying in Innsbruck, where there were no kosher restaurants and no kosher shops.

He did so very gently and politely, but Con couldn’t help feeling rather stupid afterwards: that thought had never occurred to her. She’d done well at both school and university, and she prided herself on having read extensively, but in many ways she still knew very little of life, she thought unhappily. She felt more nervous, and less confident of her ability to handle the tasks that lay ahead of her, than ever as she took a deep breath, made the call to the Innsbruck hotel, and waited whilst Miss Goldmann came to the telephone.

It wasn’t nearly as nerve-racking as she’d expected. Sarah Goldmann sounded very pleasant, and also every bit as nervous as Con was herself. They arranged where to meet – at the café which Con had been going to suggest originally - and when; and, in order that they’d be able to recognise each other, each gave brief descriptions of themselves and in Con’s case also of Ricki, and that served to break the ice rather a lot because trying to describe yourself to a stranger was never very easy and they both ended up laughing about it.

That done, Con rejoined Ricki, and they both tried to relax and enjoy their evening prior to the difficult day to follow.

Author:  JS [ 31 Mar 2009, 09:41 ]
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Quote:
and books didn’t necessarily reflect real life.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks Alison - looking forward to the meeting (although I suspect we're drawing near to the end of the drabble if that's the case :( )

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 31 Mar 2009, 11:00 ]
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Poor Con. She really is nervous. Hope the visit goes well.

Author:  Emma A [ 31 Mar 2009, 16:43 ]
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I had a lovely catch-up of three updates - really enjoyed them all! Thank-you, Alison.

Author:  di [ 31 Mar 2009, 17:11 ]
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Enjoying this drabble no end and don't want it to finish! Thanks, Alison for such regular updates.

Author:  Miss Di [ 01 Apr 2009, 02:48 ]
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Alison H wrote:
books didn’t necessarily reflect real life.



Gosh, next thing you know someone will be telling me not everything in Wikipaedia is true :twisted: Thanks Alison, it's wonderful having a fascinating story updated as faithfully as you do.

Author:  Lesley [ 01 Apr 2009, 06:36 ]
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Understandable Con would feel nervous.

Thanks Alison

Author:  Alison H [ 01 Apr 2009, 07:45 ]
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Just in case anyone (with access to BBC 1)'s interested, there's a programme about the Kindertransport on at 10:35 pm this coming Monday.

“Miss Goldmann?”

The woman waiting outside the café in Spartz smiled tentatively and nodded. “I’m Miss Goldmann – but call me Sarah, please. You must be Miss Maynard and Miss Fry? I’m very pleased to meet you both.”

“I’m Miss Maynard, but please call me Con,” Con said. “And this is Miss Fry.”

“Ricki, please. Well, I’m really Richenda, and come to that Con’s really Constance, but we both tend to stick to the shortened versions!” Ricki, who was nervous herself but aware that it must be far worse for both Con and Sarah and determined to try to ease the tension for them as far as possible, grinned; and both she and Con shook hands with their new acquaintance. “You found it all right, then?”

Sarah nodded. “The people at my hotel in Innsbruck were able to give me a map of Spartz. It felt funny asking for one. I used to know the place quite well, a long time ago. Thank you both so much for coming: I can’t thank you enough for offering to meet me. Will you let me buy you both a coffee?”

“So long as you let us buy one for you too!” Con said. “Listen, shall we go inside? It’s freezing out here. Let’s go and sit down, and we’ll order those coffees and then we can … talk.” She smiled awkwardly at Sarah and led the way inside, and they seated themselves at a table in a quiet corner. Luckily the place wasn’t particularly busy: it wasn’t long before the waitress arrived to take their order, and the coffees were with them soon afterwards. Now that they were actually there, none of them were anxious to put off discussing what they were there to discuss: they managed to keep a flow of polite remarks about the weather going until they’d been served, but were relieved when the waitress left them and they were able to talk in private. Con was uncertain where or how to start, but Sarah began the conversation for her.

“So Miss Humphries, Sister Marie-Cécile I should say, is your aunt, Con? Have I got that right?”

“Sort of.” Con told her. “It’s a bit of a long story. My mother and her elder sister first came out to Tyrol – to the Tiernsee – when Mamma was twelve and Auntie Madge was twenty-four. They’d been left in bad financial circumstances, and also the weather in England was affecting Mamma’s health. Auntie Madge set up at a school, and Auntie Rob – her real name’s Cecilia Marya, but she was nicknamed “Robin” when she was little and it sort of stuck – came to the school as a pupil in its second term. She – Auntie Rob, I mean – was only six then. She’d lost her mother a few months earlier, and her father, who was an old friend of our family, was working abroad at the time, so she lived with Auntie Madge and Mamma in the holidays, and she and Mamma came to regard each other as sisters even though they weren’t really.

“Auntie Madge married the head of a Sanatorium nearby, and Captain Humphries moved to Tyrol to be her husband – my Uncle Jem – ’s secretary. Then he – Captain Humphries – was killed in a climbing accident, and Auntie Madge and Uncle Jem were appointed as Auntie Rob’s guardians. Mamma and Auntie Rob both lived with them until after they’d all left Austria and Mamma married Papa.

She paused, hoping that she didn’t sound as if she was rambling. “Sorry: I didn’t mean to bore you with my family history, especially as it must all sound horribly confused! I was just trying to explain how they all came to be in Tyrol in the first place, and how Auntie Robin is my aunt even though she isn’t technically. Anyway, Mamma was always breaking her watch. She still has trouble with watches. Don’t ask me what she does with them: I can only think she must overwind them. So she used to take her watch to your grandfather’s shop, to be repaired. Auntie Madge and Uncle Jem used to take things there too, sometimes. Mamma’s a very chatty person, and she got to know your grandfather fairly well.”

Author:  Emma A [ 01 Apr 2009, 08:35 ]
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Ah, now we start getting down to the nitty-gritty! Lovely explanations from Con, and I think this way of telling herself into the tragedy is a good one.

What does Sarah look like, by the way?

Thank-you, Alison.

Author:  JB [ 01 Apr 2009, 08:44 ]
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I really don't want this to end. I do enjoy these daily updates every morning as I drink my first coffee.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 01 Apr 2009, 09:44 ]
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I think the conversation is going well and it does give Sarah a bit of perspective with everything.

Thanks Alison

Author:  di [ 01 Apr 2009, 19:37 ]
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Con is doing well so far and the history puts everything into context for Sarah.
Thanks, Alison.

Author:  Abi [ 01 Apr 2009, 21:04 ]
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I'm sure it was helpful for Sarah to hear how they all came to know each other - she'd be able to put it into context, especially when thinking it over afterwards.

This is really enjoyable - thanks!

Author:  Alison H [ 02 Apr 2009, 07:44 ]
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Con smiled tentatively. “She said that he even used to send her cake at Passover.”

Sarah smiled too. “It was very nice of her to accept it: Passover cake never tastes wonderful even when it’s made by someone who cooks as well as my grandma did. That sounds so very like my grandparents, though – always wanting to feed people! One of the main things I remember about going to their house is that my grandma always had huge platefuls of cake waiting for us.”

“I’m so very sorry about what happened to your grandmother and grandfather,” Con said sadly; and Ricki nodded wordlessly in sympathy. “No-one deserves that: it was just horrific. And I wasn’t born then, of course, but Mamma and Auntie Rob both speak so well of them. Mamma tried to remember if she’d ever met you, you know, but she said that she didn’t think she had. She remembered seeing a photograph in the shop of a little girl, though. She said that she’d never asked Herr Goldmann about it, in case he’d had a daughter whom he’d lost and it might have upset him to talk about her, but maybe that was you?”

Sarah nodded. “That would certainly have been me. My grandad didn’t have any daughters: just two sons. And my uncle was killed in the First World War, so that just left my father. My grandad had a shop in Innsbruck originally – he took it over from his father - and when my dad came home from the war they ran the shop together; but it didn’t really work. Father and son working under the same roof … I think they drove each other mad! And then my dad married my mum, and really the one shop didn’t bring in enough to support two households. So my grandparents decided to move to Spartz and open a second shop there. I think that they were quite keen on the idea of moving out of the city to a smaller town anyway, and having a house instead of the apartment that they were living in in Innsbruck.

“My dad wasn’t keen on the idea, though. He was quite religiously-minded, and very involved with the synagogue in Innsbruck, and he didn’t approve of my grandparents moving to a town where there were no other Jewish people. No synagogue, no kosher butcher … we used to take my grandparents food from Innsbruck every time we went to see them.

“This was before I was born, but I always used to wish that they’d move back to Innsbruck. I liked Spartz and going there used to be a treat, but I didn’t get to see them nearly often enough, not like my other grandparents whom I saw all the time. During the week there’d be school and work, of course; and my dad wouldn’t travel on Saturdays and used to get upset if my grandparents did; and the trains were never very good on Sundays. So the time that we did get to spend with each other was very precious.

“It’s ironic, I suppose, but when the Nazis took over Austria we weren’t as afraid for my grandparents over in Spartz as we were for those of us in Innsbruck. Spartz was a small town and it didn’t seem likely to be of much interest to the authorities. And my grandparents were the only Jewish people there: who was likely to be bothered about an elderly couple who lived fairly quietly?

“And then, one day, a policeman came knocking at our door. You can imagine what we thought. We thought that they’d come … to take us away.” She bit her lip, closed her eyes for a second, and then took a gulp of her coffee. “But they hadn’t. They’d come to tell us that my grandparents were … dead.”

Author:  Emma A [ 02 Apr 2009, 08:33 ]
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This is just lovely, Alison - so poignant. I like Sarah's explanations of why the Goldmanns came to live in Spartz, and the family's closeness. She must only be a few years older than Con and Ricki, but seems a lot older, I think.

This is a really interesting adjunct to the series, and I'm enjoying it very much.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 02 Apr 2009, 12:20 ]
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Thanks Alison, I'm glad to see Sarah's side of the story

Author:  Celia [ 02 Apr 2009, 13:45 ]
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Poor Sarah, how scared they must all have been when the police came knocking.

Thank you Alison, it's an absorbing tale.

Author:  di [ 02 Apr 2009, 17:18 ]
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What an awful shock they must have had - thinking the Nazi's were coming for them and then finding out that their family were dead. I wonder, did the police tell them how their grandparents had died?
Thanks, Alison.

Author:  Abi [ 02 Apr 2009, 20:40 ]
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Interesting to hear the story from Sarah's point of view, and how horrible to hear that they died in that way. It was great to hear some of the details about the Goldmanns. Thanks Alison!

Author:  Lesley [ 02 Apr 2009, 22:07 ]
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Thanks Alison

Author:  Miss Di [ 03 Apr 2009, 02:23 ]
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Thanks Alison. Thought provoking.

Author:  Alison H [ 03 Apr 2009, 07:52 ]
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She paused, gulped again, and wiped her hand across her eyes. “One of the neighbours must have told them that my grandparents had a son living in Innsbruck, I suppose; and we were the only people there with our surname. Anyway, they came to tell us. They didn’t say much, though. They just told my dad that his parents had died, and where to … collect them from. For the funerals.

“He went to Spartz. With the undertaker. To bring them back to Innsbruck: there’s never been a Jewish cemetery in Spartz. It was late when the policeman came, so he couldn’t go until the next morning. None of us slept that night. And my parents kept getting upset over things that to me didn’t seem all that important. Like the fact that they’d been … left alone. After they died, I mean: the Jewish tradition is that bodies are not left alone before the funeral. Things like that. I couldn’t understand why they kept going on about things like that: things that couldn’t be helped, and that weren’t going to make any difference to my grandma and grandad by then. But I can see now that they just needed something to keep their minds occupied, until they found out exactly what had happened. They’d realised straight away, of course. That they’d been murdered.

“I didn’t, at first. I thought … I don’t know: I was so shocked: I didn’t know what to think. I knew that neither of them had been ill, but I suppose I was thinking that there’d been some sort of accident. My mum asked my dad exactly what had happened, and he said that the policeman hadn’t told him and that he’d have to wait until he got to Spartz to find out. I didn’t understand what he meant. I think that it was only the following morning, when my dad and the undertaker were leaving for Spartz and my mum burst into tears and told them to keep their heads down and be careful and they promised that they would be, that I realised that it hadn’t been an accident at all.”

Con and Ricki were both silent, not knowing what to say, but then Con reached out and touched Sarah’s hand gently and Ricki did the same; and Sarah smiled at them both gratefully before taking a deep breath and carrying on with her story.

“Anyway, when they got to Spartz they didn’t even dare go to the shop and see what had happened there; but my dad went to the house - and it’d been ransacked. He managed to bring back a few personal things which hadn’t been taken, though. He didn’t stay any longer than he had to, but he saw one of the neighbours. They were frightened to talk to him for long – the situation in the town was very tense, as you can imagine – but they told him as much as they knew about had happened, what they’d seen about what’d happened at the house and what they’d heard about what had happened in the town centre before that. They thought that he had a right to know.

“I don’t think that he ever told me all that they told him – I was young then, and he still thought that he could protect me – but he told me a little. And he told me everything he knew about the people from the British school who’d tried to help, months later in Vienna when he and my mum had decided to send me to Britain and were trying to reassure me that I’d be safe there, that people in other countries didn’t share the Nazis’ attitudes.

“But I still didn’t want to go. I was so frightened to leave them, to be on my own amongst strangers. They kept telling me that we’d all be together again soon, and that I’d be safer in Britain than in Austria - but they’d told me that we’d be safer when we moved from Innsbruck to Vienna, and it’d turned out that things in Vienna were even worse.”

“I noticed that you’d moved to Vienna,” Ricki said. She blushed. “Mr Bond showed me your letter. I’m so sorry: I hope you don’t mind. It was just that he knew that my old school had been based in Tyrol once and he thought I might be able to help.”

Sarah shook her head. “Of course I don’t mind: I’m only glad that you and he knew each other. And, yes, I left for Britain from Vienna, but we’d only lived there for a few months then. I never really felt that it was home, not like Innsbruck was.

“This – this visit – is the first time that I’ve been back to Innsbruck. I went to try to find our old apartment building, and my dad’s shop; but neither of them were there. Well, there were buildings there, but not the ones I knew. They must have been destroyed in the air raids, I suppose. But even seeing the city centre’s been strange for me. You can’t imagine how glad I am to have people with me today: a friend of mine did offer to come to Austria with me, but it didn’t seem fair to ask him to pay all that money for flights and hotels and so I said that coming back was something I’d rather do alone, but ... it wasn’t. It isn’t. Thank you both for being here: thank you so much.”

She stopped, and wiped her eyes again. “Would you mind if we ordered some more coffee? I seem to have finished mine, and I could really do with another.”

Con and Ricki both said that they’d be glad of another coffee too, and there was a brief pause in the conversation whilst they tried to catch the waitress’s attention and, having succeeded, waited until their second drinks had arrived. The silence wasn’t uncomfortable, though. They were all too busy gathering their thoughts to feel uneasy.

Author:  abbeybufo [ 03 Apr 2009, 08:15 ]
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Think I'm the first to comment today!
Thanks so much Alison - this is really powerful and I'm loving it

Author:  Emma A [ 03 Apr 2009, 08:18 ]
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Poor Sarah, she must have thought about this so often, and probably rarely told anyone else. I'm glad that Con and Ricki are there to listen and to tell her another side of the story.

Thank-you Alison - this continues to be very thought-provoking and sad.

Author:  JB [ 03 Apr 2009, 09:05 ]
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Thanks Alison.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 03 Apr 2009, 09:39 ]
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Thanks Alison. Poor Sarah to have to go through all of that

Author:  JS [ 03 Apr 2009, 10:18 ]
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Glad it seems to be going well, thanks Alison

Author:  shazwales [ 03 Apr 2009, 13:38 ]
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Thanks Alison this is so sensitively written.

Author:  Elder in Ontario [ 03 Apr 2009, 14:06 ]
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THe fact I don't post very often on this does not mean that I'm not appreciating it - I really am. It must be hard for Sarah to retell a story which she probably has not told in full to anyone else before now. I'm really glad Con and Ricki are there both with her and for her; I'm sure that what they will have to add to her story later will help to bring her some sense of closure after all these years.

Thank you, Alison - this is very sensitively told.

Author:  Abi [ 03 Apr 2009, 19:55 ]
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This really brings home how scary it must all have been for the people involved - the way no-one wanted to speak to the Goldmanns for long and how they sent Sarah to Britain so she'd be safe.

Thanks Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 04 Apr 2009, 07:40 ]
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Thanks for the comments.

When their second cups of coffee had arrived, Sarah resumed her story.

“In Innsbruck, not very much happened in the immediate aftermath of the Anschluss. Maybe the Jewish community there was too small to attract too much attention too soon. There were only a few hundred Jewish people living in the whole of Tyrol, after all – nearly all of us in Innsbruck, just a few in other places - out of over two hundred thousand in Austria as a whole. We heard what was going on in Vienna, though, and in Graz and Linz. They’d closed down Jewish organisations almost at once there. There was a lot of … unpleasantness, for lack of a better word – bullying, forcing people to scrub the pavements wearing their best clothes, not letting people use public transport, that sort of thing. And it might have been the Nazi authorities who instigated it but plenty of ordinary people were quick to join in too.

“And then Eichmann started trying to force all Jewish people in Austria to emigrate. You might wonder why more people didn’t go, try to get to somewhere safe; but it’s not so easy, to leave everything and everyone you know, especially for people who are elderly or unwell. And even for those who wanted to leave, it wasn’t a case of just going: they had to get an entry visa for another country, and getting one of those wasn’t easy.

“Of those who did leave – and they had to go minus pretty much everything they owned, of course - many were able to get out of Austria, mercifully; but a lot of others were turned back at the borders. Hungary and Czechoslovakia didn’t want hordes of refugees streaming across their borders. And the Swiss government actually complained to the Nazis that too many refugees were coming into Switzerland. After that, all Jewish people in Germany and Austria had their passports marked with a big red “J”: it made it easy for border guards to identify them –as people who were trying to emigrate rather than just going on a business trip or holiday, I mean - and to send them back. Even so, many Jewish people did manage to leave Austria – somewhere between 130,000 and 150,000, it’s thought. But around 65,000 other people didn’t manage to get out and were sent to the camps, and only just over 2,000 of them survived. None of my family were amongst those 2,000. I dared to let myself hope that they might be; but they weren’t.

“To get back to what happened earlier on in 1938, the Nazis imposed the Nuremberg Laws – you know of those, I’m sure – in Austria. Jewish people in Austria weren’t allowed to attend public events: Jewish doctors weren’t allowed to attend non-Jews or Jewish lawyers to have non-Jewish clients: many Jewish people were sacked from their jobs. My dad’s business was badly affected. In the April, there was an official boycott of Jewish-owned shops, and Nazi Storm Troopers arrested those of my dad’s Catholic customers who were continuing to use his shop and forced them to wear signs saying “Christian Pig” on them. People who weren’t Jewish were frightened to come to my dad’s shop or even to associate with us at all.

“And then the Nazi Property Traffic Office closed many Jewish-owned businesses down completely. Somehow they didn’t notice my grandad’s shop, but my dad was given a choice between closing his shop or allowing it to be operated by Germans. He closed it down. I don’t know how we and everyone else in the same situation would have lived, if it hadn’t been that somehow some foreign aid agencies managed to get food to us. My parents were so ashamed, to be accepting charity, but there was nothing else that they could do. They began to talk of leaving. And then … and then … my grandparents …were killed.”

Author:  Lesley [ 04 Apr 2009, 07:54 ]
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How did I miss this yesterday?

You know it makes it so much more chilling for all of this to be described in such a matter-of-fact manner. And to be able to relate it to 'real' people.


Thanks Alison - and ((((Alison)))) - this must be draining to write.

Author:  crystaltips [ 04 Apr 2009, 09:15 ]
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I agree with Lesley - it makes it so much more real hearing Sarah tell the story as it affected her & her family. A truly terrible thing to live through.

Thanks, Alison.

Author:  Elbee [ 04 Apr 2009, 10:29 ]
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This is so interesting, having history "brought to life" in this personal CS way, but chilling too.

Thanks, Alison.

Author:  Emma A [ 04 Apr 2009, 10:45 ]
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Of course no-one could have guessed about the atrocities to come, or even more would have tried to leave. Agree with everyone else about how much more awful this is as a personal testimony - it does bring it down to what could have happened to your own family.

Thank-you, Alison.

Author:  Clare [ 04 Apr 2009, 10:50 ]
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I have been following this avidly, and feel ashamed I haven't commented much on it. Every installment has been amazing Alison, and very moving. I have attended many holocaust conferences in the past, and have been fortunate to meet four survivors. Your story could so easily be a real account. I look forward to reading more.

Author:  di [ 04 Apr 2009, 11:31 ]
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Such a haunting tale and yet one that could be echoed by the millions of Jewish survivors of the Holocaust. Thanks, Alison, not an easy story to tell, I'm sure.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 04 Apr 2009, 13:02 ]
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I'm in the middle of reading A Thousand Suns by Dominique Lapierre and he wrote O Jerusalam. In A Thousand Suns he wrote the back ground of O Jerusalam and writes about the Jews in Austria and the struggle to get them out and what a small group of them went through to try and find visas for them. It was extraordinary how so many countries closed their boarders and the European countries actually met pre-WWII to discuss this and all said it was too hard to take them etc. Germany then felt justified for getting rid of the Jews because no other country was willing to take them on. Only a couple did open their boarders to an extent and the Germans refused to give the Jews much time to sort out visas to get out of the country. A lot of them ran the gautlent and were smuggled into Palestine, against incredible odds.

Thanks Alison, this is wonderful, reading more of this. And I love the filling out of the History

Author:  Kathy_S [ 04 Apr 2009, 17:53 ]
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What a lot of updates! Thank you, Alison.

It sounds as though Sarah has spent a lot of time trying to fit her memories into the the broader picture. Not an easy task. :(

Author:  Abi [ 04 Apr 2009, 20:40 ]
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It's always much more poignant to hear a personal story and this is no exception. Can't imagine how hard this must be for Con and Ricki. But at least it shows how Sarah trusts them as it can't be easy for her to share these things. She's obviously a very thinking person.

Thanks Alison, this is amazing.

Author:  Alison H [ 05 Apr 2009, 08:04 ]
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Sarah paused for a moment, twisting a loose thread on the tablecloth round one of her fingers. “Well, you know what happened to them. You know more than I do. I was old enough to know that they wouldn’t be there for ever - many of my friends had lost grandparents; it’s in the natural order of things, however difficult it may be to bear, that if you have grandparents living then you’ll lose them at some stage – but to know that they’d been murdered … two old people like that; two old people who wouldn’t have hurt a fly.” She looked at Con and Ricki. “Do either of you have still grandparents living, if you don’t mind my asking?”

“My mother’s parents both died long before I born, and I didn’t know my father’s father either; but I knew Grannie Maynard – my father’s mother. I was only little when she died, but I remember her,” Con said pensively, trying to imagine how she’d feel if she heard that any member of her family had been … murdered: she shook her head, barely able to bring herself even to think the word.

“My grandparents all died when I was a child, but I remember them all quite well,” Ricki said. “I can’t even begin to imagine how you …”

Sarah shook her head abruptly. “I can’t speak of it. Even now, I can’t speak of it. But you’ve known grandparents, and you have other relatives and friends: maybe you can imagine a little ...” She paused. “I’m sorry: I shouldn’t ask that of you. I shouldn’t be talking so much anyway: all I’ve done since we got here is talk about myself and what happened to my family. I’m sorry.”

“It’s all right,” Con said quietly. “Honestly, it’s all right. Please go on. Talk as much as you want to. If it helps.”

Sarah nodded. “It does. A bit. I don’t get to speak of them very often. It’s not really something that you can talk about a lot. What happened to my grandparents – my father’s parents. And to my mum and dad, and my mother’s parents. They talked about leaving, after what happened, but we’d heard so many tales about people being turned away at borders and my parents were worried about risking the journey with a child and an elderly couple. They tried to convince themselves that there was no way that what had happened in Spartz could happen in Innsbruck. My grandparents had been the only Jews in Spartz, after all: there were over three hundred Jews in Innsbruck, and some of them were fairly prominent people. And so we waited. But then … November 9th.”

Kristallnacht,” Con murmured. She flushed. “Sorry: I didn’t mean to interrupt.”

“Please don’t apologise. It’s good that you know about it: a lot of people don’t. Yes, November 9th 1938 was Kristallnacht. In Innsbruck … well, in Innsbruck the violence was some of the worst seen anywhere. Four people were murdered. People were thrown into the River Inn: even after everything else that had happened by then we found it hard to believe that things like that could happen in Austria, in the twentieth century. And the Gauleiter - the head of the local Nazi administration - ordered the destruction of all Jewish communal buildings in the city.

“Several people we knew took their own lives in despair. One of them was one of my father’s closest friends. It was then that my parents and my surviving grandparents decided that we had to get out of Tyrol. We went to Vienna. Somehow, they thought we’d be better off there. There were tens of thousands of Jewish people in Vienna. Safety in numbers …”

She shook her head vigorously. “But it was worse. The Nazis were seizing Jewish people’s homes: we were forced to share an apartment with three other families. With just one bathroom between us all. Most Jewish people in Vienna were in the same position. And the Nazis even blamed us for the hygiene problems that resulted.

“Anyway, in the November, a British organisation – the organisation which your father was part of, Ricki – had begun to organise the evacuation of Jewish children under the age of seventeen from Germany and Austria. Later on they helped children to leave Czechoslovakia and Poland and the Netherlands too, although sadly by early 1940 there wasn’t much that they could do. Anyway, in the January of 1939 I was told that I was being sent to Britain. I didn’t want to go. I didn’t want to leave my family. I was nine years old and I’d already lost two of my grandparents, and my home: can you imagine how terrified I was at the thought of going to a foreign country on my own?

“My parents and grandparents told me that I had to be a brave girl, and that I’d be safer in Britain – that’s when they told me how your aunt and the others had tried to help my granddad in Spartz, Con - and that soon we’d all be together again anyway. I didn’t believe them. But I pretended to, because I could see how hard it was for them too.

“I can still see their faces as we said goodbye. We never saw each other again.”

Author:  di [ 05 Apr 2009, 08:13 ]
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How awful for the parents of the children sent to Britain; sending them to safety probably with the knowledge that they would never see them again. I can't begin to imagine how they must have felt.
Again, thanks Alison for relating this part of history in such a sensitive way.

Author:  Lesley [ 05 Apr 2009, 09:15 ]
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How terrible - knowing that you are sending your child away and may never see them again. :cry:


Thanks Alison

Author:  JB [ 05 Apr 2009, 13:07 ]
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Thanks, Alison. That was so very moving.

BTW. There's a documentary about the Kindertransport on BBC1 tomorrow evening.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 05 Apr 2009, 15:13 ]
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Poor Sarah, and her poor parents knowing they would probably never see their daughter again

Author:  Elder in Ontario [ 05 Apr 2009, 18:01 ]
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Thank you Alison - this is so moving - and so true for so many who were fortunate enough to get places on the kindertransport trains and their families.

ETA - if the programme about Kindertransport which is on tomorrow night is then posted on the BBC website, would somebody please be kind enough to post a link to it - I would really like to see it. TIA.

Author:  Miss Di [ 06 Apr 2009, 03:46 ]
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That was very moving. I'm weeping into my lunch.

Author:  Alison H [ 06 Apr 2009, 07:52 ]
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She smiled sadly. “I’d always liked going on trains, but not that time. We were all so frightened, even the older ones who tried to keep calm and reassure the younger ones that everything was going to be all right; and the journey seemed to go on for ever. Then eventually we reached this little Dutch town – the Hook of Holland, as it’s called in English – and at last the train journey was over. I had no idea what to expect, but when we got off the train Quaker ladies and gentlemen from Britain were waiting to meet us.

“You’re a Quaker, I understand, Ricki? I’d never even heard of Quakers before then, I have to admit, so when I first heard the word it meant nothing to me; but all I knew was that those ladies and gentlemen were kind to us. You can’t imagine how that felt – kindness from a stranger, after all those months of living in fear. They saw us on to boats, which took us to Britain. It was a rough crossing and many of us were sick: we were so glad when we saw the British coast, but we were afraid too, because we didn’t know what was going to happen to us when we got there.

“We landed at Harwich. You know it or know of it, presumably - on the Essex coast? I remember thinking how flat it was, just like the Hook of Holland had been, and wondering if everywhere in Britain was like that. I was used to seeing mountains, of course. Anyway, we weren’t there for long. Some of the children had sponsors in Britain, and they were taken straight to London, and travelled on from there to wherever their sponsors lived. The rest of us were taken to a holiday camp at a place called Dovercourt, very close to where we’d landed, whilst arrangements were made for us. A few children were sent to boarding schools, and some of the older ones were found jobs – mainly working on farms for boys or in domestic service for girls – but most of us were taken in by foster families.

“Appeals for foster families for children like us had been made on the BBC Home Service by the Refugee Children’s Service, the people who organised it all, and hundreds of families had responded. We were nothing to them: they had no sort of duty or obligation to us: but they came forward to help us. A family was found for me in London. I went by train to Liverpool Street station, and, there, again, Quaker ladies and gentlemen were waiting to meet the train. Will you thank your father for me, Ricki? Thank him for me, and for everyone else whom he and all the other wonderful people like him helped.”

“I will.” Ricki searched for the right words to say. “I certainly will. And I know that he only wishes that they could have done more.”

Sarah shook her head. “They saved nearly ten thousand people. We would almost certainly have died at the hands of the Nazis if it hadn’t been for them: ten thousand of us. He who saves one life, saves the world entire – do you know that saying, from the Talmud? And they saved ten thousand lives. We can never thank them enough.”

She paused to finish her coffee. “Anyway, that’s how I came to escape – to live, when the rest of my family died. I kept on trying to believe that they weren’t dead, that somehow we would all be together again. Even when the war ended and the full extent of what had happened started to become clear, I kept on trying to convince myself that at least one of my family would be amongst the few who’d survived what the Nazis had done. But none of them were. I’ve asked myself time and time again why I should have been the one who lived, why I should have lived when they all died, and died so horribly. There’s no answer to that, though, is there. But part of me needs to know as much as I can, and that’s why I wanted to find out exactly what happened in Spartz that day. And also to thank the girl who went to my grandad’s aid.”

She looked at Con. “I’d very much like to meet your aunt one day, if she’d agree to it. Is she allowed visitors in the convent?”

Con nodded. “It’s not a closed order. People can go and see her.” Not that any of her family ever had done, she thought. What would Sarah give to have a sister or an aunt living … and the Maynards hadn’t even made the effort to go and see Robin when she’d been as close as Arles. “She’d be very glad to see you: I know she would.”

Sarah nodded and smiled back, but she didn’t say anything more. Con knew that it was her turn to say what she’d come to say now. She paused, drank the last of her coffee, and took a deep breath. “Sarah … are you ready now? I’ll tell you as much as I can. Everything that they all remember. Are you ready to hear it?”

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 06 Apr 2009, 07:58 ]
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Thanks Alison, this is so moving

Author:  Emma A [ 06 Apr 2009, 08:27 ]
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That's so moving, Alison - I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes. I think it's the kindness of strangers that is so affecting.

Thank-you.

Author:  keren [ 06 Apr 2009, 08:51 ]
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This is very moving indeed. I am left speechless after each section.
I read a biography of people from the Kindertrsanport, and also have met a few.
It is one of the things that is becoming more talked about in the past 10 years.

I read once that they were so busy building their lives and struggling to survive that they did not have time to think about all they had gone through, and in the last 10 years as they retired, they had more time to think about every thing they went though and began writing more books. TV programs etc.

Author:  di [ 06 Apr 2009, 09:01 ]
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Thanks, Alison; the children who survived must have all wondered why them? It was through the courage of their parents who sent them, the organisers of the Kindertransport and of course the foster families who cared for them for the duration and, for some, afterwards.

Author:  Joey [ 06 Apr 2009, 09:14 ]
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Alison, I'm sorry I don't comment more often: the quality and content of your writing renders me speechless.

Thank you.

Author:  JellySheep [ 06 Apr 2009, 09:40 ]
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This really is brilliant: it brings all the historical background to life, and it's so powerful. Good point also about Con resolving to visit Robin since this is possible for the Maynards in contrast to Sarah.

Author:  JS [ 06 Apr 2009, 10:18 ]
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This is quite something, Alison. Thanks for posting it - must have been exhausting to write.

Author:  Elder in Ontario [ 06 Apr 2009, 13:59 ]
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This continues to be very moving, Alison - thank you.

Author:  abbeybufo [ 06 Apr 2009, 19:25 ]
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Thanks Alison
This continues to be very powerful and moving.

Author:  Jennie [ 06 Apr 2009, 21:28 ]
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Alison, I haven't been posting much recently because my hands have been at it again, but this is very moving, and so evocative of the horrors and the pain of those times, that in some ways, I find it very difficult to read without crying.

Author:  Lesley [ 06 Apr 2009, 21:36 ]
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Very thought-provoking - thank you Alison.

Author:  JayB [ 06 Apr 2009, 22:52 ]
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I happened to be passing Liverpool Street Station today and saw the statue commemorating the Kindertransport: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/366987
so it's very fitting that I should come home and read this particular instalment. Thank you, Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 07 Apr 2009, 07:45 ]
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“I’m ready.” Sarah clenched her hands together. “They all?”

“Auntie Rob and Mamma, and those of the others whom I’ve been able to ask. Let me explain briefly how they came to be there, first of all. There’d been some trouble with the Nazi authorities already - my father had even been arrested by them and held for a few days, and put through some very nasty questioning before he was released – and my aunt and uncle, the ones who owned the school and the sanatorium, had decided to close both operations down and reopen them in Guernsey. They ended up having to leave there as well when the Nazis invaded the Channel Islands, but obviously at the time they weren’t to know that that was going to happen. Anyway, my uncle’s sister and secretary were going first, with the children - my cousins. Daisy, the eldest child, was at school already and wanted to buy leaving presents for her friends, and some of the other girlsat the school had some shopping to do, and under the circumstances it didn’t seem like a good idea to go into Innsbruck city centre so they went to Spartz instead.

“One of the mistresses – my sister’s godmother – went with them. And Mamma went too: she’d left school by then but she was still friendly with everyone there, and she had a bit of shopping of her own to do. And there were eight girls from the school - Auntie Rob, Daisy, and six others. Anyway, they did their shopping, and then they decided that before going back they’d go and have a drink and something to eat at a Gasthaus in the main square. It’s still there, the Gasthaus I mean: we can show you where it is later, if you’d like us to.” She stopped again, praying that however she put the difficult story to come wouldn’t make it any more difficult for Sarah to bear than it already was.

“Whilst they were in the Gasthaus, they heard some sort of commotion going on outside, and then – they were sitting by the window –, oh Sarah, they saw your grandad, running as fast as he could, with about twenty hooligans running after him. They were throwing things – stones and fruit – and … and one of them had a gun.

“Auntie Rob ran out and threw her arms round your grandad. She said that she doesn’t even know what she was thinking as she did it: she just saw what was happening and knew that she had to go. And the others followed. Mamma recognised one of the hooligans, someone called Hans Bocher, and she …”

Hans Bocher?” Sarah sat up straight in her chair. “Forgive me for interrupting, but … Con, did you say Hans Bocher?”

Con, not sure how to react but realising that the name obviously meant something to the woman sitting next to her, nodded. “I’m pretty sure that that was the name,” she said slowly. “Did you … know him?”

Sarah shook her head, but it was in disbelief rather than by way of answer to Con’s question. “Hans Bocher worked for my grandad for a while. He actually worked for him he was his assistant in the shop. I remember seeing him there once, when my mum and I went over to Spartz on a weekday during the school holidays one time. He came from a very poor family: I remember my dad saying a few times that he wasn’t a very good worker and that my grandad had only given him a job because he knew that the Bochers needed the money, and that no-one’d ever make a profit if they chose their staff like that.”

She shook her head again. “And - I remember now, it’s all coming back to me – during that cold winter, that last year before we … well, the winter of 1937 to 1938, I mean, my grandma brought soup and hot drinks to the shop for him to take home every night. He had a lot of younger brothers and sisters and his father earned very little, and they were struggling to cope.

“He even ate in my grandparents’ house. When my grandad used to come home for his dinner, before reopening the shop for the afternoon, he used to bring Hans Bocher with him, because he knew that he didn’t always get much to eat at home. He sat at the table with them. They did all that for him. And he repaid them by …” She covered her face with her hands. “Dear Lord. That was how he repaid them.”

Author:  JB [ 07 Apr 2009, 08:33 ]
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Thanks, Alison. This is so good.

Author:  Emma A [ 07 Apr 2009, 08:47 ]
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Of course, Joey reproached Bocher with all the help the Goldmanns had given him when they faced the crowd. It must be so difficult for Sarah to hear. Thank-you, Alison.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 07 Apr 2009, 09:12 ]
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Poor Sarah, to find out that someone her Grandfather had helped turned on him like that.

Thanks Alison

Author:  di [ 07 Apr 2009, 10:18 ]
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It must be so hard for Sarah to hear about her Grandfather's last few hours - and to hear that someone he had been kind to and helped was one of the hooligans responsible for his death must be heartbreaking.
Thanks, Alison, you're doing a grand job describing this awful time in Austria's history.

Author:  Alison H [ 07 Apr 2009, 14:21 ]
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Elder in Ontario wrote:
ETA - if the programme about Kindertransport which is on tomorrow night is then posted on the BBC website, would somebody please be kind enough to post a link to it - I would really like to see it. TIA.


It's here. It was very interesting.

Author:  Celia [ 07 Apr 2009, 15:55 ]
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Thank you Alison. I thought of Herr Goldmann and Hans Bocher
when one of the people on the programme about Kindertransport
said his family was betrayed by a close friend and neighbour.

Author:  Elder in Ontario [ 07 Apr 2009, 22:12 ]
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Thank you Alison - you are telling this whole story so sensitively, and I'm sure it must be hard to write, too.

Thanks also for posting the link to last night's programme on Kindertransport - unfortunately TV programmes are only viewable within the UK, so I can't access it. But I was able to read the synopsis, so it gave me an idea of the content. I'm sure it was very interesting and moving to watch.

Author:  Miss Di [ 08 Apr 2009, 03:49 ]
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Thank you Alison. Poor Sarah, this must be so hard to hear.

Author:  Alison H [ 08 Apr 2009, 07:49 ]
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All three of them were silent for a few minutes after that, whilst Sarah tried to compose herself and both Con and Ricki tried to come to terms with everything that she’d told them. Eventually, Sarah spoke again. “Was it Bocher who killed him? And was he the one who killed my grandma too?”

“I don’t know who actually killed them.” Con reached out and tentatively touched the older woman’s hand. “I’m sorry: I don’t know that. I just know that Mamma recognised this Hans Bocher and that she screamed at him. And then he said …” She stopped. This part was particularly difficult.

“Go on.” Sarah’s face was deathly pale, but her voice was calm. “What did he say?”

“He said …” Con stopped. She took a deep breath, and tried for a second time, and this time she managed to get the words out. He said, “Jews have no right to live.” And then he said, “Let him go! We’ll see to him!”

“We’ll see to him!” Sarah murmured. “And … and then they, Bocher and the others, they dragged him away?”

Con shook her head. “Not then. Another girl in the school party, an American girl, started shouting at them. Telling the people in the crowd exactly what she thought of them – in pretty colourful language, Mamma said. I don’t suppose they understood half of it, but it was enough to distract them. Whilst they were distracted, Auntie Nell – Miss Wilson, the teacher – got your grandad and Auntie Rob inside the Gasthaus, and the landlord - Herr Borkel he was called - let them out of the building the back way, where no-one could see them from the square. Your grandad made a run for it, back to his house.

“That was the last that Auntie Rob or any of the others from the school saw of him. But my uncle found out later that the mob had gone on to your grandparents’ house – Hans Bocher would have known exactly where it was, from what you’ve said – and that they’d shot them both dead.”

She’d been focusing hard on getting her story out but, now that she’d managed to reach this point she could feel the tears threatening to overwhelm her. “I’m so sorry,” she managed to choke. “Oh Sarah, I’m so sorry. No-one deserves to die like that: your poor grandparents. I’m so very, very sorry.”

“Sarah, can we get you anything?” Ricki, seeing that Sarah was clearly struggling to keep her composure, asked urgently. “Another coffee? Actually, maybe I should ask if they’ve got any brandy. Or do you need some fresh air?”

Sarah shook her head. “Thank you; thank you, Ricki; but I’m all right. I just need … a moment.” She paused for a few seconds. “There. I’m all right now. But thank you. And thank you, Con: thank you for telling me: thank you both for coming here to meet a complete stranger during your holiday, to discuss something which I’m quite sure can’t have been very pleasant for you to talk about.”

“I’m just so sorry that you had to hear all that,” Con began; but Sarah was shaking her head already. “No. I needed to hear it. The not knowing … you can’t imagine how terrible it is. Because when you don’t know, you imagine … .” She stopped. “In some ways, what I’d imagined was far worse. Some of the things I’d heard, people being publicly humiliated, people being tortured … . But then, in other ways … oh, to think of my grandad being chased through the streets like a hunted animal, and to think that Hans Bocher was one of those involved, after everything my grandparents had done for him and his family … .

“But at least now I know. I know exactly what happened.” She smiled sadly. “You know, whilst I can hardly bear to think about how terrified they must have been, my grandma and grandad, a big part of me’s always been glad that at least they died before even worse horrors began, that they were spared the ghettos and the concentration camps. And, also, at least they were together at the end: at least your aunt and your mother and their friends, Con, gave them that, and they showed them that there were still people there who cared, who thought that they mattered, that they deserved to be treated as human beings.”

She looked at both Con and Ricki. “I’ve been needing two things for a long time. To know exactly what happened to my grandma and grandad, so that I could stop torturing myself by imagining it, and as part of that to face up to seeing Spartz and Innsbruck again. And to thank the people who came to my grandad’s aid, because I’m the only one left who can do that and I owe it to him and to my grandma to do it. And so I’m thanking you because you’re here on their behalf; and I’m also thanking you for telling me what happened. Thank you. And thank you again. It might seem like an odd thing to say about a conversation in a little café in a quiet little town, but to me what’s happened today has really meant a lot.”

Author:  Karry [ 08 Apr 2009, 07:54 ]
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Alison, I am glad that I am off sick; ordinarily I would be reading this at work, and would be sitting at my desk with tears running down my face, instead of sitting up in bed, with tears running down my face! This is so well written and so touching! Thank you

Author:  di [ 08 Apr 2009, 08:49 ]
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A difficult story for Con to relate; she told it very well, with empathy which Sarah so obviously needed and felt. It must have been so hard for her to hear about her grandparents last hours but perhaps knowing they were shot and died instantly was better for her than suspecting they suffered horrifically under the Nazi's or in a concentration camp.
Thanks, Alison.

Author:  Emma A [ 08 Apr 2009, 08:55 ]
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Feel for all of them here, but especially Sarah. That can't have been easy to listen to - though it may well have been not as bad as she had imagined.

Thank-you.

Author:  JB [ 08 Apr 2009, 09:22 ]
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Oh well done, Con.

Thanks Alison.

Author:  PaulineS [ 08 Apr 2009, 11:12 ]
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Thanks Alison.

Author:  Chris [ 08 Apr 2009, 13:16 ]
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Thank you Alison - you tell the story so well. It is all the more interesting - and shows your excellent research - after watching the programme on the Kindertransport on Monday night. I can really believe in these people and it all happening exactly like this.

Author:  Elder in Ontario [ 08 Apr 2009, 13:38 ]
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That took bravery on the part of all three - Con, for telling the story, Sarah for finally being able to find out just how her grandparents perished, and Ricky, too, for being part of that momentous meeting. Sarah must feel really relieved to hear the full story - and to know her grandparents actually avoided worse experiences in the Camps.

Thank you Alison - this must have been hard to write, but you tell the story so vividly.

Author:  Joey [ 08 Apr 2009, 13:48 ]
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No words.

Thank you, Alison.

Author:  Lesley [ 08 Apr 2009, 21:15 ]
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Poor Sarah - but at least now she knows. :cry:


Thanks Alison

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 08 Apr 2009, 23:50 ]
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Thank you Alison

Author:  Alison H [ 09 Apr 2009, 07:54 ]
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This is a long post, but I wanted to get up to the end of the conversation in the café today because I'm going to be away over Easter weekend. Thanks again for the comments.

There was a silence after that, broken only when the waitress came over to ask if they wanted to order any more drinks.

Ricki shook her head. “Not for me, thank you.” Sarah declined too, but Con asked if she could have a glass of water. “I won’t be long,” she said apologetically to the other two when the waitress had gone. “My throat’s just a bit dry, that’s all. As soon as I’ve finished we can ask for the bill and go … well, if you’re ready, of course.” She looked at Sarah. “We’ll come with you, to anywhere that you want to see. If you want us to, I mean.”

Sarah nodded. “Thank you. I’d appreciate that very much. I think that I’d like to go to where my grandparents lived. It’s funny, I wasn’t sure that I’d be able to remember the way all these years, but now I’m fairly sure that I will. I feel that I should go to the main square too, where … where your aunt and the others saw my grandad being attacked and went to try to help him.” She paused for a moment. “Could I … if you don’t mind my asking – the people from the school, and the man from the Gasthaus, what happened to them afterwards? Did the Nazis go after them? Did they … were they punished at all? For trying to help him?”

They weren’t, no,” Con said carefully. “Auntie Rob hid in the Gasthaus, and Herr Borkel took her home later on: it wasn’t the nicest of journeys but he got her there safely. He was all right afterwards too: in all the mayhem no-one had noticed which way Auntie Rob and your grandad had gone, so they didn’t realise that anyone from the Gasthaus had been involved. The rest of them … the parish priest, Vater Johann, took them into the church: there was a secret passage inside which led up into the mountains so they were able to escape through that. He bolted the door against the mob: they broke it down eventually, but by that time Mamma and the others had all gone.”

She looked at Sarah sadly. “But he – Vater Johann – was still there. He wouldn’t leave the church, you see. The … the consecrated bread and wine: he felt that he couldn’t leave them. So he was still there when the mob got in. And they shot him. They killed him.”

“Oh dear Lord,” Sarah gasped. “I’ve always known about my grandparents … but they killed a third person, too? Just like that? For helping the girls and their teacher to escape?”

“I’m afraid so,” Con said, feeling tears starting to come to her own eyes again. “Sarah … if it helps, what you said about your grandparents being spared the concentration camps: the same was true of Vater Johann too. Even if what hadn’t happened in Spartz that day hadn’t happened, from what I know of him he would have spoken out against the Nazis, and he would almost certainly have been sent to Dachau like so many priests and ministers were. If it helps at all … try to think of it like that?”

Sarah nodded, wiping her eyes, and Con continued trying very hard to speak calmly. “The others all left Austria at once: they didn’t have the right papers, but they managed to trek over the mountains and cross the border into Switzerland secretly without being caught. I can tell you briefly what happened to them all, if you’d like to know?”

Sarah nodded. “Yes, please. I’d like that.”

Con counted the members of the school party who’d been in Spartz that day off on her fingers. “Miss Wilson’s still at the school, the main branch of which is in Switzerland now, and she’s the joint headmistress there. My parents live next door to it: my mum married my dad – he left Austria at the same time – not long afterwards, in Guernsey, and my sisters and I – we’re triplets – were born in November 1939. We’ve got younger sisters and brothers too. My mum works as well: she’s an author. Auntie Rob you know about, of course. And Daisy, my cousin – well, sort of cousin – is a doctor. She lives in Armishire now, with her husband and three children.”

“A doctor?” Sarah smiled. “How wonderful! There are so few lady doctors. And she’s got a husband and children as well? She must be an amazing person.”

“She is, rather!” Con agreed, with a quick smile. “The other British girl who was there, who was the head girl at the time, became a teacher and worked at the school when it was still in Britain, but she also lives in Switzerland now, with her husband – he and my dad are both doctors and they work together – and children. Two of the others there were Americans: Mamma’s still in touch with them both, and they’re both married with children now. Another of the other girls, Auntie Rob’s friend, was Hungarian, but she lives in America now, and she works at a university there.

She paused. “One of them, a Breton girl … well, that’s a very sad story. She died young: she drowned when a ship on which she was travelling went down. And the other girl who was there was actually Austrian, but she left with the others and went on to Guernsey. She had … a bad time during the War. Her father died in a concentration camp.”

“I am so sorry.” Sarah sighed deeply. “So many people … so many lost lives.”

Con nodded. “Poor Maria. She had … well, during her final year at school she had a nervous breakdown. But she got through it, and she’s all right now. She lived with us for a little while, actually, years later. Then she got married, and she’s got two children; and she does seem very happy. Heaven knows, she deserves to be. But she’s never been quite the same person that she was before, Mamma says.”

“I can certainly understand that.” Sarah wiped her eyes again, and Con and Ricki did the same: all three of them were tearful now. “So many deaths. So much suffering. I still can’t quite believe it, sometimes. I was born into one world, the world before the Nazis did what they did; and now all of us live in another world. Nothing can ever be the same as it was before, not now that we know exactly what people are capable of doing to each other. A tiny minority of people, true; but a tiny minority was all that it took.”

Author:  JS [ 09 Apr 2009, 08:27 ]
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So sad; thanks Alison.

Author:  JB [ 09 Apr 2009, 08:47 ]
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Alison, this is so moving.

Author:  Emma A [ 09 Apr 2009, 08:49 ]
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It would have been reassuring to Sarah to know that the girls didn't come to harm for helping her grandfather. But she's so right about what a tiny minority can do :(

Thank-you, Alison (and have a lovely weekend!).

Author:  di [ 09 Apr 2009, 09:31 ]
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Thank you Alison. I hope it helps Sarah knowing that those who tried to protect her grandparents escaped the Nazi wrath and went on to live their lives happily; all except the Breton girl. I can't think who that was but I'm sure someone will know.
Now what? Once Sarah has seen the places in Spartz will she just return home or have you something planned for her 'up your sleeve' so to speak! :)

Author:  Emma A [ 09 Apr 2009, 13:10 ]
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di wrote:
...all except the Breton girl. I can't think who that was but I'm sure someone will know...

That would be Jeanne la Cadoulec, Di, who turns out to be Melanie Lucas' aunt :roll:

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 09 Apr 2009, 14:24 ]
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Thanks Alison, this is really good

Author:  abbeybufo [ 09 Apr 2009, 14:27 ]
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Thank you Alison.
This is a very moving story to be appearing at Passover/Eastertide

Author:  Jenefer [ 09 Apr 2009, 14:32 ]
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This is so moving.
Thank you Alison. Hope you have a good weekend

Author:  Elder in Ontario [ 09 Apr 2009, 14:52 ]
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Another very moving episode, Alison - but a very satisfying one, too; I'm sure Sarah will have been pleased to know that Robin and the others did get out of Austria safely and that Jeanne le Cadoulec's death was unrelated to the encounter in Sparz.

Abbeybufo noted that this is a very moving story for this particular Passover/Easter season; it is also reminds us that the Warsaw Ghetto uprising began at this season, April 19, 1943. I know that the UK and other countries commemorate Holocaust victims in January, to coincide with the date of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp; here in North America, and I think elsewhere too, the events of the Holocaust are remembered within the April 19-early May period.

Author:  Cath V-P [ 09 Apr 2009, 17:20 ]
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I have just read the whole conversation, and this is so moving, especially now. Sarah now knows what happened, and while it was very terrible, it was not perhaps as horrific as what would come later. Not that I'm trying to minimise the Goldmann's and Vater Johann's deaths in any way, but perhaps it's that the scale of events is easier to approach rather than that almost 'industrialisation' of death that would ensue.....

Thank you Alison.

Author:  BethC [ 09 Apr 2009, 19:01 ]
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Thank you, Alison - this is really good: I've been reading along without commenting for the most part, but have thoroughly appreciated all of it ("enjoyed" doesn't quite seem the right word...).

Author:  Lesley [ 09 Apr 2009, 20:05 ]
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Thanks Alison

Author:  crystaltips [ 10 Apr 2009, 11:14 ]
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Thank you Alison.

Have a lovely weekend.

Author:  Abi [ 10 Apr 2009, 11:35 ]
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Just read the last two posts, so got the whole conversation in one - poor Sarah, it must have been incredibly hard to hear that, though at least she now knows the truth of exactly what happened. This is so moving, thank you Alison.

Author:  Sarah_K [ 10 Apr 2009, 20:37 ]
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Thank you Alison.

Painful though it was to tell and hear I can see how a story like that is better when it's actually known than imagined.

Author:  Sarah_G-G [ 11 Apr 2009, 18:13 ]
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Thank you for this. I've just caught up on a few posts and it's excellent and moving, as always.

Author:  Miss Di [ 14 Apr 2009, 03:53 ]
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Thank you Alison.

I hope you had a great time away.

Author:  Alison H [ 14 Apr 2009, 07:44 ]
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After they’d paid their bill, Con, Ricki and Sarah slowly made their way to the main square of Spartz. It looked just like any other square in any other Tyrolean town, Con thought, with its attractive buildings in their different colours and the views of the mountains in the distance. It was busy with all manner of people, young and old, going about their business: were any of them related to the thugs who’d attacked Herr and Frau Goldmann and Vater Johann and sent them to their deaths? Who knew? It was quite possible that some of them were, and equally possible that, if they were, they knew absolutely nothing about those events of over quarter of a century earlier, which had had such a profound effect on so many people’s lives.

They went first to see the Gasthaus; and then walked over silently to the part of the square in which, as best they could make out from the sketches which Robin and Joey had drawn for them, Robin and Herr Goldmann had stood that day. The three of them stood them for some time, none of them speaking, Sarah pale but composed and with Con and Ricki standing one on either side of her. After that, they walked on to what had been Herr Goldmann’s shop. The interior now bore no resemblance at all to a jeweller’s, but Sarah said sadly that the actual structure of the building had changed little since her grandfather’s time and that she could still see she could still see him standing by the door on a sunny day. She didn’t mention Hans Bocher, but Con and Ricki both guessed that she could probably still see him standing there too.

And then, finally, they made their way to what had been the Goldmanns’ house. There were lights on, suggesting that at least one of the present inhabitants was at home; and Con suggested tentatively that they knock on the door and ask to go inside but Sarah shook her head decisively.

“No. No: I understand why you’re suggesting it, and thank you, but even if I could bear to explain to the people who live here now that this was once my grandparents’ house, I think I would rather remember it as it was. And remember them as they were. They were my grandparents, and I loved them. And they weren’t perfect, nobody is; but they were good people.

“They were good people who never did any harm to anyone and who deserved to die peacefully in their beds. But that wasn’t to be, not for them, not for my parents, not for my other grandparents and not for millions of other innocent people either. And I’ve had to come to accept that.”

She stopped then, and took a little book out of her handbag; and then Con and Ricki fell silent as she recited a prayer in a language which wasn’t familiar to them but which they guessed to be Hebrew. “It’s a memorial prayer,” she explained when she’d finished. “It’s said by people who’ve lost their parents, but the tradition is to read a paragraph for any close relative whom you’ve lost. Six times … once for my mother, once for my father, and once for each of my grandparents. It’s really only supposed to be said on particular festivals, but I felt that I had to say it today. It’s hardly as if anyone’s going to mind, is it?

“Some synagogue congregations include a communal prayer for those who were killed by the Nazis, because so many of them have no surviving relatives to say it; but at least my parents and grandparents have got me. I’m still here. And I’ll remember them always.”

Sarah was staying in Innsbruck for one more night, then travelling by train to Paris and flying home from there. Con and Ricki saw her back on to the train for Innsbruck at the Bahnhof in Spartz. All of them found it strange saying goodbye. They’d only spent a few hours together, and yet it felt as if they’d known each other for years and Con had a strong sensation that she’d see Sarah Goldmann again some day.

After that, Con and Ricki went to have some “Kaffee und Kuchen”. Neither they nor Sarah had really felt like eating when they’d been in the café earlier, but they hadn’t had anything since mid-morning and it was now getting towards evening and they were both beginning to feel very hungry. The streets were getting crowded by this time as the working day drew to a close and it took them longer than they’d expected to get back tot the station, and unfortunately they ended up just missing the train that they’d been aiming for. It was a while until the next one was due, so they wandered back towards the town centre and were just idly looking in the window of a bookshop when Con heard someone calling her name.

Author:  di [ 14 Apr 2009, 08:54 ]
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Thanks, Alison, hope you enjoyed your break. Now, who can be calling Con? I can't think of anyone who might live in Spartz so it must be someone visiting - male or female? I shall have to be patient until you post again! :)

Author:  JS [ 14 Apr 2009, 09:47 ]
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Thanks Alison, I've missed the daily updates! Hope you enjoyed your break.

Author:  JB [ 14 Apr 2009, 10:01 ]
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I've missed this too. So pleased to see another update.

Author:  Joey [ 14 Apr 2009, 12:34 ]
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Thanks Alison, good to have this back. Hope you enjoyed your weekend away.

Author:  abbeybufo [ 14 Apr 2009, 19:55 ]
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Thanks for the update Alison - missed my 'fix' while you were away over the weekend :lol:

Now who could that be calling Con's name???

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 14 Apr 2009, 23:10 ]
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I'm wondering if it's someone whom she and Ricki had dinner with the other night. If it is, I'm hoping it's Gisela-she of all people would know what its like to lose loved ones in a concentration camp like Sarah.

Sorry I digress. :oops: Thanks Alison

Author:  Lesley [ 15 Apr 2009, 05:40 ]
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Gisela sounds a good possibility. Pleased that Sarah seems to feel some sort of closure.


Thanks Alison.

Author:  Alison H [ 15 Apr 2009, 07:49 ]
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She whirled round, recognising the voice at once. “David! What are you doing here? I mean – silly question, of course you’re in Spartz, you work here! – but shouldn’t you be at the surgery?” She glanced at her watch. “Actually, shouldn’t you be on your way home by now?”

David laughed. “I’m just going, but I had to nip into one of the shops first because I’ve had an SOS from home to say that the one in Briesau’s run out of some ingredients which apparently Gretchen absolutely has to have for tomorrow morning! Something to do with baking cakes for her grandparents: they’re coming round at some point to see a load of family photos which we got from from Marie and Andreas in yesterday’s post, and Gretchen wants to make these particular cakes because they’re her grandpa’s favourites. So what are you two doing in Spartz – have you just been having a look round the place or are you on your way back from somewhere else?”

Con shook her head. “Neither. We’ve spent most of the day with Herr Goldmann’s granddaughter. We’d arranged to meet her in Spartz, if you remember. She told us quite a bit about her family; and about how they sent her to Britain on the Kindertransport, and I told her everything that Mamma and Auntie Rob and the others’d told me about the day Herr and Frau Goldmann and Vater Johann were killed; and then we walked round with her – we went to where Auntie Rob went out to try to help Herr Goldmann when she saw him being attacked, and then we went to where his shop used to be and where he and Frau Goldmann lived.”

David’s face clouded in sympathy. “That must have been pretty difficult. Especially for her, the poor lady. How did she take it all – or is that a stupid thing to ask?”

“She … well, obviously it was very upsetting for her, but she did say afterwards that she was glad that now at least she knew exactly what’d happened,” Con said. She frowned, trying to think how to express what she meant. “When you don’t know the details of something, you try to imagine them, and you don’t know if what you’re imagining’s right or not, and that makes it even worse: at least when you know the facts, you know them and then you can try to learn to accept them, and I think that that’s how she felt. And she said too how grateful she was that Auntie Rob and Mamma and Mrs van Alden and the others’d done what they did, that at least her grandparents would have known that somebody still cared, that there was still some decency in the world I suppose; and that at least they were able to be together at the end, and that they were spared … well, even worse.

“But …” She stopped, and tears came to her eyes again. “Oh David, it’s just so horrific to think about what the Nazis did: how can people treat other people like that? How can things like that happen? How?”

David sighed. “Wiser people than us have asked that question, and I don’t suppose anyone really knows the answer.” He shook his head sadly. “I met Herr Goldmann once, you know. Dad’d broken a link in his watch, and Rosa took Peggy, Rix, Primula and Bride and me down to Spartz to get it repaired, and do some shopping whilst we were there. The little ones - Sybil and Jack and Gretchen and Jakob - were left behind with Marie.” He smiled reminiscently for a moment. “Rix didn’t half gloat about that! Anyway, Herr Goldmann’s was the last place we went, and we were there quite a while: he had a lot on, but Rosa didn’t want to have to come back another day and we’d already done everything else we had to do so we just waited until he was free and he could sort the watch out. You’d think he might have objected to having five little kids running about in the shop, but he didn’t seem to mind at all: he even went and got some biscuits for us to eat whilst we were waiting. We all thought he was wonderful after that!

He shook his head again. “He was a nice chap. And he was just an ordinary chap, leading an ordinary life in an ordinary place. And then the Nazis came, and suddenly Austria wasn’t an ordinary place any more; and it’ll never be quite the same again. People here don’t talk about those days much, but to be honest I don’t think that that makes it any better: if anything, it makes it worse.”

Author:  di [ 15 Apr 2009, 08:33 ]
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David is right;talking collectively about what happened in Spartz must be more helpful than people ignoring it. Then it seems as if nothing was wrong! :(
Thank you, Alison for this morning's episode.

Author:  Emma A [ 15 Apr 2009, 08:42 ]
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That's nice to see another reminiscence of Herr Goldmann's kindness (which makes what happened to him even worse, I suppose). Thank-you for this, Alison, and for the regular updates, too.

Author:  Lesley [ 15 Apr 2009, 19:55 ]
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Even today it's thought that the Austrians as a race don't talk and their privacy laws are very stringent. It's thought to be part of the reason why Fritzl managed to get away with his crimes for so long. :cry:


Thanks Alison.

Author:  Miss Di [ 16 Apr 2009, 04:07 ]
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Thanks Alison. I really can't express the emotion I am feeling, but this is very moving.

Author:  Alison H [ 16 Apr 2009, 07:51 ]
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“I really wish I hadn’t started going on about The Sound of Music that evening at the Schloss Wertheim,” Ricki said awkwardly. “I just didn’t think. I hope I didn’t upset anyone too much. I felt awful about it afterwards, especially when poor Gisela Mensch started talking about her father and I could see how upset she was.”

David shook his head decisively. “It’s all right, Ricki. Honestly; please don’t worry. It’s not as if she and her mother and sister never talk about him, and about what happened to him. It’s more the people who were actually in Austria throughout the period of Nazi rule that I meant: they’re the ones who rarely speak about what went on back then.”

He sighed. “He was such a lovely fellow, Uncle Florian – Herr Marani, I mean. We used to see quite a lot of him at one time time: he and Auntie Gisel – his wife - couldn’t keep away from the Sonnalpe once Natalie and Gisel’d been born. He was a really, really nice man: he was a good friend to all of us, kids and adults alike. I never knew any of my grandparents, so I used to feel a bit jealous of the Mensch girls that they had all four of theirs living nearby. They were so close to all of them …”

He paused for a moment. “When the news came of Uncle Florian’s death, Natalie must have been about six, and Gisel a year younger, so they were old enough to need to be told he’d died but not old enough to be told how. They were only told that he’d died in a concentration camp later, when they were old enough to understand; and although they knew that they could be very proud of him they still took it hard, thinking about what he must have gone through. I remember Peggy – she’s always been quite pally with Natalie – telling Rix and me about it: she said that she just didn’t know what to say to try to comfort her, because what could she say? And for poor Miss Goldmann, losing all her family so horribly … I’m just glad that what you told her sounds as if it helped her.”

He stopped again, thinking back. It had been just over quarter of a century ago when the Nazis had marched into Austria and changed the lives of everyone there for ever. They’d all been too young to understand much, he and the other children in the Die Rosen nursery, but they’d realised soon enough that something was very badly wrong. They’d heard the word “Nazis” used over and over again, however careful people might have been not to say too much in front of them. They’d equated the people known by that term with the bogeymen who appeared in some of the stories that Rosa read to them as they sat on the floor in a semi-circle at her feet, but they’d known that these bogeymen were horribly real: if they’d ever doubted it, they’d learned the truth on that day when uniformed men had come hammering on the door and taken Uncle Jack away with them.

Not long after that, he and his cousins had been told that they were leaving the Sonnalpe and going to Guernsey, with Auntie Margot and Auntie Rosalie. Being packed off to a strange place that none of them had ever heard of, without Mum and Dad and Auntie Joey and Uncle Jack and Auntie Grizel and all the old familiar faces from the School and the San, not knowing if they’d ever even see Marie and Andreas and Rosa and Gretchen and Jakob again. Bride had cried, because first her own parents had left her behind and now she was being parted from Auntie Madge and Uncle Jem as well; Jackie had cried because Bride never cried and seeing her upset had frightened him; and Sybil, terrified at the thought of being separated from her parents, had kept on saying that she wasn’t going anywhere, whatever anyone said, even though she’d known that it would all be to no avail.

Then, just before they’d been due to leave, there’d been that terrible, almost impossible evening when the shopping party had failed to return from Spartz and then one of the goatherds had arrived at the door with Daisy - bright, bubbly, irrepressible Daisy – clinging to his hand in floods of tears. They hadn’t even been able to ask her what had happened, because Dad had forbidden them to do so in tones so stern that not even Rix had dared disobey; and they’d imagined all sorts. Then, late at night, they’d been woken up by a knock on the door, and they’d heard first Robin’s voice and then a man’s voice which they hadn’t recognised, and they’d waited to hear Auntie Joey’s voice but it hadn’t come: she hadn’t been there.

And then they’d heard Dad going out: he’d often gone out in the middle of the night, if there’d been an emergency at the San, but somehow they’;d known that this time was different; and then there’d been another knock at the door and they’d heard angry voices and realised that the Nazis had come to their home again. Somehow, Mum had made the Nazis go away; but Auntie Joey hadn’t come back and none of them had believed Rosa’s story that she was staying at the School for the night, and they just hadn’t known what to think.

He could feel a chill running down his spine just thinking about it, even after all these years. And even now both he and Gretchen occasionally suffered nightmares about those last few weeks at Die Rosen, and he was sure that they weren’t the only ones who did – but, compared to what many others had suffered, they’d been lucky. Very, very lucky.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 16 Apr 2009, 07:58 ]
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Thanks Alison.

In all the things written about Joey and the others escaping, it's never at the forefront of my mind at how the kids would have felt through it all and how they would have picked up on things that were happening.

Author:  Emma A [ 16 Apr 2009, 08:40 ]
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One tends to forget that the children in the Russell nursery would have felt similarly anxious as the adults, though more unformed and nebulous terrors that would have been worse to combat, perhaps. I do like that we are hearing from so many people in this story, about their experiences of those terrible days.

Thanks, Alison.

Author:  JB [ 16 Apr 2009, 09:44 ]
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This is so very moving, Alison. I have wondered why the Russells sent the children off with Margot and Rosalie - as the former wasn't very strong - and it was a lot of children for two people to move across Europe.

Author:  di [ 16 Apr 2009, 11:05 ]
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Interesting to hear about that awful night from the perspective of one of the Nursery folk; how frightened the older ones must have felt. Daisy and the Robin must have been in a terrible state on their return, especially Robin when she realised that her beloved Joey was not there. And then to be taken across Europe with Margot and Rosalie, without their parents. It doesn't bear thinking about. :cry:
Thanks, Alison.

Author:  Miss Di [ 17 Apr 2009, 02:28 ]
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Quite chilling to hear the nursery memories.
Thanks Alison.

Author:  shazwales [ 17 Apr 2009, 02:47 ]
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Thanks Alison, this has really made me think about all the different angles of the plot that EBD wrote about. At the school i went to in the '70s most of the girls had family that were affected by Hitler this is really bringing it to life.

Author:  Alison H [ 17 Apr 2009, 07:54 ]
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Up to 25 pages now, so I'll (try to remember to!) start a new thread after this. Thanks again for the comments.

The day they’d left had been horrible. By then none of them had felt safe at Die Rosen any more, but at least it and everyone and everything there had been familiar. Guernsey had been somewhere they’d known absolutely nothing about, and it had been the first time in their lives that he and Sybil had been separated from their parents.

Mum had tried not to cry as she’d kissed them all goodbye, but he’d seen tears in her eyes and known very well how upset she was. Dad had told him to be a big brave boy and to help Auntie Margot and Auntie Rosalie and to look after Sybil; and both he and Mum had kept on saying that soon they’d all been together again but he hadn’t known whether or not that was true or whether it was just one of those things that grown-ups said when they didn’t want children to know what was really happening. He’d been so afraid, but he’d had to try to hide it because he’d known that boys were supposed to be brave. And he’d tried to persuade himself that the journey would be exciting; but it hadn’t been exciting, it had been terrifying.

The two adults must have been sick with worry about what had happened to those who’d fled from Spartz into the mountains, and petrified that somehow their connection with them would be discovered by the guards who’d boarded the train not long into their journey and demanded to see everyone’s papers. Then they’d been stopped at the French border, and some people had been turned back: he could remember Rix asking what was happening and Rosalie Dene, who was never sharp with anyone, telling him very sharply indeed that he was to be quiet at once. It had been so frightening for them all, but how much more frightening must it have been for Sarah Goldmann and her companions as they’d travelled from Vienna to the Hook of Holland. They hadn’t had an Auntie Margot or an Auntie Rosalie with them; many of them, like Sarah herself, wouldn’t have had siblings or cousins or close friends with them either; and, for most of them, the assurances that their parents had given them that soon they’d all be together again had just turned into tragedy.

Even for Gretchen and her parents, brother and aunt, who’d left Austria shortly afterwards, it had been far worse than it had been for him. And the same for Karen, and for Anna. They’d all had to live through the war years in complete ignorance of what was happening to the family and friends whom they’d left behind. Knowing nothing and imagining everything – and, even now, those who’d remained in Austria were reluctant to speak much about their experiences during those times, and he knew that Gretchen found that very difficult. What Eigen had told her a few weeks early had shaken her badly, but she kept on saying that she was glad that at least now she knew. It was the not knowing that was the worst: it was that that stopped you from being able to move on.

“David? You look as if you’re miles away! Wake up! Ricki and I’re going to have to get going now, or we’ll miss our train.”

Con’s voice broke into his reverie; and he forced a smile on to his face. “You don’t want to be doing that: it’s getting late as it is. I’d better get a move on myself, or I’ll miss Daniel’s bathtime. Righto, then! Have a safe journey back to Mayrhofen. And a safe journey home as well - is it Monday you leave?”

Con nodded. “Monday. I can’t believe how quickly the time’s gone! Tomorrow’ll be our last full day ski-ing. We’re hoping to get out on the slopes for a bit on Sunday, but not for too long: we’ve got an early start Monday morning. And on Saturday we’re going to the Tiernsee.” Ricki had insisted that there was no way she could leave Tyrol without first clapping eyes on the “hallowed lake”, as she’d laughingly put it, by which the Chalet School had first opened its doors.

“Are you?” David smiled. “Well, have a lovely time! Just don’t do an Auntie Joey and drive Ricki up the wall showing her where every single little incident during the first few years the school was open took place, will you?” He burst out laughing at the indignant look on his cousin’s face. “All right, Con – I’m just kidding, as you very well know! And you’ll love the Tiernsee, Ricki – I know I’m biased because I live there, but it’s a great place, it really is. And we’re not going out on Saturday, so feel free to pop in if you get time. No offence taken if you don’t, though! And have a good journey home if I don’t see you before.

“Come here, Con: give your big cousin a quick hug: nobody’s looking!” He hugged Con, and shook Ricki’s hand – “Nice meeting you” – and then he was off, into his car and home to Gretchen and Daniel; and Con and Ricki were on their way to the Bahnhof to board the train to Mayrhofen, hurry back to their hotel, and have a stiff drink after their meal. They needed it. It had been a very, very emotional day.

Author:  Lesley [ 17 Apr 2009, 08:14 ]
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David is lovely, isn't he? I'm not surprised that Con and Ricki need a drink - anyone would.


Thanks Alison.

Author:  Emma A [ 17 Apr 2009, 08:29 ]
Post subject:  Re: The flames that burn on, updated 17/04/2009, p.25

Agreeing wholeheartedly with Lesley!

Alison, didn't you write somewhere else about that leave-taking from Die Rosen? It's always the case that adults try not to tell children the full story, for fear of frightening them, though the bits they actually know can be just as terrifying.

Thank-you again for this (glad to know there's more to come, too!).

Author:  di [ 17 Apr 2009, 10:12 ]
Post subject:  Re: The flames that burn on, updated 17/04/2009, p.25

David certainly has turned out to be a sweetie; surprisingly so given Jem was always so stern with his children and created such a fuss when David and Gretchen married.
Thanks, Alison.

Author:  abbeybufo [ 17 Apr 2009, 11:35 ]
Post subject:  Re: The flames that burn on, updated 17/04/2009, p.25

I love David in your drabbles Alison - good, too, to get some backstory of the nursery crowd's experiences during 'Exile'

Thanks :D

Author:  Celia [ 17 Apr 2009, 11:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: The flames that burn on, updated 17/04/2009, p.25

Thanks Alison, It's good to get a different perspective on 'Exile'.
I'm really enjoying your writing.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ 17 Apr 2009, 13:34 ]
Post subject:  Re: The flames that burn on, updated 17/04/2009, p.25

Thanks Alison. It was wonderful as always

Author:  brie [ 17 Apr 2009, 19:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: The flames that burn on, updated 17/04/2009, p.25

Okay I know it's really late to start commenting on this thread but i've just started reading it and its really, really good. It just brings home that six million people died. Not just a number. Thanks Alison

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