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#1: The Fickle Magic of Words Author: RóisínLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:17 am
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Original article here. CS stuff in bold.

I remember we had this article on the board at the time it came out, and it was the subject of hot derision! But that thread was lost in the hack and some of the newer members (since 2005) might like to read it. Very Happy

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From The Times
August 8, 2005
The fickle magic of words
Instilling a love of reading in your child can be tricky
Julian Gibbs

Ten years as an English teacher have only increased my keenness for my children to become readers, because I know it will help them to learn to use language more expertly. I am hardly the only parent thus preoccupied, although not driven quite to the extremes of one mother I know, who bribes her children 1p a page.

Are we right to care so much? The fact is we all need stories to help us make sense of our lives. However, children are only too keen to get those stories from television. It’s not that the imaginative fare provided by TV and video is always inadequate, but children's books are part of a literary tradition that takes its moral purpose seriously — children’s TV, by contrast, sees itself chiefly as entertainment. And, arguably, literary fiction is better for developing empathy: when we read we experience, more directly than through any other art form, the inner thoughts and feelings of another person.

But my eagerness to see my children reading stems chiefly from a deep desire that they should share my culture. I want them to love the books I loved as a child and, when they are grown-ups, the books I love now. And if they don’t love those books they can love other books.

However, my success in breeding bookworm children has, so far, been uneven. My oldest, who is 17, began resisting my literary influence aged 8, when she developed a passion for Elinor M. Brent Dyer’s extraordinarily badly written Chalet School series. She read her way determinedly through all 62 books, saving her pocket money for weeks when I wouldn’t buy the stories the library didn’t have. She still rejects most of the books I tell her she should try. But I have a great consolation — George Orwell is her favourite author.

Our 15-year-old son doesn’t read at all — not fiction at any rate. As a child he too ducked my attempts to foist The Secret Garden upon him, returning from the library with books about pirates or ancient coins instead. Nowadays he reads about music. I still plot ways of inveigling him into literature and using his interest in black music recently dropped a couple of African novels in his way. Purple Hibiscus by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, last year’ s Orange Prize runner-up, was a surprise hit.

My efforts were frustrated in a new way with child No 3. She took ages to learn to read at all and it transpired that she was dyslexic. But she would listen to stories for hours on tape. I resigned myself to the idea that this was how she would take her literature — why, anyway, did I want her to read instead? But last week, aged 12, she suddenly picked up a book. Now she is reading at the table, on the trampoline, in the bath. By the time child No 4 came along, I had given up even imagining that my children would develop reading passions mirroring mine. I abandoned my beloved favourites and chose new and exciting works to read aloud this time — Philip Reeve’s wonderful trilogy about cities on wheels, for example.

What makes a child into a reader? Gill James, a children’s librarian in a small London library, says an early start is what really counts. “The Jesuits were right,” she says, “except that the real work is done before a child reaches 7, it’s more like 5 or even younger. The children I’ve seen grow up as readers were usually the ones whose mothers brought them in as babies and toddlers and spent time over books with them.”

But parental input is effective for older children too; Jacqueline Wilson, the newly crowned Children’s Laureate, emphasised recently the huge importance of reading aloud to your children for as long as they will put up with it. The bookworm children that I know were read to until the ages of at least 10 or 11. Some were even read to as teenagers. But if your 11-year-old rejects the idea that you resuscitate a custom he associates with toddler-hood, try audio books. These work well on any long journey, thanks to the Walkman.

As well as being involved, parents must be able to stand back. Children must choose their own reading, even if what they choose is rubbish. Magazines, comics and teen romances build reading stamina and give confidence. Wendy Cooling, children’s anthologist and reading expert, stresses the necessity of allowing children to relax into reading. This is especially true of adolescents. “They are under so much pressure nowadays at home and at school . . . We have to celebrate all their reading even if we have to take a deep breath and say, ‘We hope they’ll move on soon’.”

Sometimes, of course, children don’t want to move on. They choose books written for younger children or endlessly re-read a handful of favourites. But try not to scream. They may need help moving on — libraries and bookshops can be overwhelming places, but you can help with books about their interests. When another friend’s 12-year-old stopped reading completely at the start of secondary school, she bought him a set of war stories. The strategy succeeded. Asked what his favourite subject for books is, he says, with relish: “Violence.”

But what if parents don’t know what to choose for their children? John Appleton, children’s editor at Orion, publisher of the hugely appealing Horrid Henry books, has a few guidelines: “Strong characters and strong plots are important at every age. For newly independent readers chapters and sentences should be short and easy. Illustrations are helpful too.” Nancy Traversy, founder of the marvellously illustrated Barefoot Books, agrees: “We believe ardently in the importance of colour and design, for older children as well as young ones. Children are often put off by long stretches of print — they need pictures to support the text and awaken the imagination.” This is, oddly enough, as true of factual reading matter as it is of stories. John Appleton explains: “Non-fiction in short chunks interspersed by pictures is especially appealing to older boys.”

One last tip for breeding bookworms is to keep space clear in your child’s life for books. In my experience, children who read are generally given only restricted access to TVs, computers and games consoles. In households with adolescents, screen rationing becomes difficult, but if just one slot — usually bedtime — is kept for books, the reading habit has a chance of taking root. For children used to TVs in their bedrooms, offer them audio books at bedtime. If they tie in with current films, such as Roald Dahl’s Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, so much the better.

As children grow in confidence they read at different times of the day. Today all my daughters lay tranquilly in different parts of the garden with their noses in books. I used to long for the peace that would bring. As so often with parenting, perhaps I’ve just been in too much of a hurry.

#2:  Author: Alison HLocation: Manchester PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:45 am
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My English teacher at primary school used to say that Enid Blyton books were badly written, although I don't think she minded EBD. I don't see that the CS books're badly written, but some people seem to be very snotty about school stories Evil or Very Mad !

Thanks Roísín Very Happy .

#3:  Author: LottieLocation: Humphrey's Corner PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:46 am
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Oh, yes! I remember seeing this before the hacking. I never saw it as my place to tell my daughters what they must or shouldn't read. Banning a book or an author is the surest way to make absolutely sure that they move heaven and earth to get hold of it. Rolling Eyes We did, however, make suggestions on the occasions when one or other came and said they didn't know what to read next. Which is probably how they both came to read the CS, and I can't deny that I'm glad that they enjoyed, and still enjoy, it. Very Happy It was lovely to be able to talk about the books and characters to someone after years of solitary appreciation. No CBB then! Sad


Thanks, Roísín, for having the patience to keep seeking these articles out for those of us who are interested in them! Smile

#4:  Author: MiaLocation: London PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:41 am
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Our 15-year-old son doesn’t read at all — not fiction at any rate. As a child he too ducked my attempts to foist The Secret Garden upon him, returning from the library with books about pirates or ancient coins instead.


Why didn't he give him Treasure Island then? Confused

Thanks also Róisín!

#5:  Author: leahbelleLocation: Kilmarnock PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:22 am
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Thanks, Roisin. Enid Blyton was forbidden in our primary school library as being badly written, but I remember there being several CS books there - and I didn't "lift" any of them!

#6:  Author: LesleyLocation: Allhallows, Kent PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:08 am
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I have always been known as having my nose in a book - renowned for it throughout the family. I can't ever remember my parents doing anything to try and force my reading along one particular route - they just read to me from when I was a baby and bought me books. The author of that article tried to force his children to read things he felt were appropriate - what happens? One child doesn't read fiction, the other reads things that he feels is inappropriate - he deserves it in my opinion.

#7:  Author: RóisínLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:13 am
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And isn't it funny that he (the author) likes FHBurnett so much that he tried to force his *son* to read Secret Garden?! IMHO, there isn't a whole lot of difference between A Little Princess and a few of the CS books.

#8:  Author: Ruth BLocation: Oxford, UK PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:35 am
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I remember someone saying to me when I was younger that their teacher wouldn't let them read Enid Blyton because they were so badly written.

My parents never banned books, just television programmes. We were never allowed to watch Grange Hill

I did get into trouble for buying Paula Danziger's "Can you sue your parents for Malpractice" at the school bookfair because the teachers (it was a faith school) thought it would teach us bad habits (i.e. contravening the "Honour thy father and thy mother" commandment) or something. I never quite worked out their logic.

#9:  Author: Mrs RedbootsLocation: London, UK PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:58 pm
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The thing with Enid Blyton is that it sounds so ghastly if you read it out loud.

I told my daughter that Blyton wrote lovely stories to read to yourself, but they didn't work when read out loud, so if she wanted to read them, she'd have to read them to herself. So she did - and I wouldn't be at all surprised if she doesn't go back to them when she isn't well; she certainly did for years!

#10:  Author: Hannah-LouLocation: Glasgow PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:03 pm
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Ruth B wrote:

My parents never banned books, just television programmes. We were never allowed to watch Grange Hill


Me too! Grange Hill is the only thing I can remember being banned. My mum did have a habit of leaving books on the windowsill in the bathroom though, and of course I would read them. She knew that, but I suppose she forgot, and was very upset when she discovered how far I was through a book she thought was definitely unsuitable. I never did find out how it ended!

I have always been much more of a reader than either of my parents; my brother hardly read at all.

#11:  Author: Loryat PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:43 pm
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Well, he is a man so is probably biased against GO. I think EBD's a good writer - definitely better than EB, who he probably also hates.

Why on earth would you give a boy who didn't like reading The Secret Garden? Bit of a girly book for the reluctant reader IMO.

The guy's obviously an eejit.

#12:  Author: KateLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:47 pm
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Loryat wrote:
Why on earth would you give a boy who didn't like reading The Secret Garden? Bit of a girly book for the reluctant reader IMO.

I know! He liked pirates, give him Treasure Island!

#13:  Author: ClareLocation: Liverpool PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:02 pm
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Lottie wrote:
Banning a book or an author is the surest way to make absolutely sure that they move heaven and earth to get hold of it. Rolling Eyes


My mum got me into the Sweet Valley books when I was 10, because she was trying to get me away from Blyton and EBD, and then lived to regret it - and she tried to ban me from them around 14. Didn't work!

I've always loved reading, and I battle with pupils in form trying to get them to read. But they're not interested, they prefer films ("but most films start from a book!" "No they don't! What about 300?" "It's a graphic novel, technically a form of literature...")

However, I must confess to constant re-reads. As a teacher I'm usually so brain dead that I can't face anything new in term time. I get my new book fix in the holidays! reading

#14:  Author: francesnLocation: away with the faeries PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:56 pm
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I agree that Enid Blytons are horrid read out loud. But I still don't see what's wrong with EBD! Other than the distinct lack of imagination when it comes to about book 30 odd.....

#15:  Author: Cath V-PLocation: Newcastle NSW PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:15 am
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I have a feeling that this may be a condemnation based on a dislike of subject matter rather than anything else . . .

And it seems to me that what he really wanted was to direct his children's reading so that they should like what he liked - in other words a form of control.

#16:  Author: TiffanyLocation: Is this a duck I see behind me? PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:39 pm
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Hmmm... I think it depends how you define good writing. EBD is popular and has been for a long time, so she must have something going for her writing, and she's come up with some strong, memorable characters. On the other hand, her style is absolutely cringeworthily lousy in places. I don't know how much of that is her, how much is her editors, and how much is Armada's incompetent cutting.

#17:  Author: ClareLocation: Liverpool PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:16 pm
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Was musing on this earlier while my year 7s were doing a test. At the end of the day, does a book have to be well written to be enjoyed? I'm thinking of Dan Brown and JRRT - books I enjoy a great deal, but books which have been criticised for their style. However, some 'critically acclaimed' books leave me cold.

It's the same with films, there are ones the critics fall over to praise because they tick all the boxes they are looking for, and yet, they're not overly enjoyable.

Does it matter if a book ticks all the boxes for style? I would argue that the enjoyment that a person gets out of a book is far more important than it's writing. Obviously it helps if it is well written, but if it is understandable and it gives you pleasure, where's the harm?

#18:  Author: TiffanyLocation: Is this a duck I see behind me? PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:16 am
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Clare wrote:
Does it matter if a book ticks all the boxes for style? I would argue that the enjoyment that a person gets out of a book is far more important than it's writing. Obviously it helps if it is well written, but if it is understandable and it gives you pleasure, where's the harm?


It matters to different degrees for different people, doesn't it? Of course enjoyment is important, but my enjoyment of EBD is marred by style sometimes. I didn't like the only Dan Brown I read at all, because I thought it badly written. However much I like the plot and characters of a book, I will notice, and be bothered by, the errors, because that's how I read.

#19:  Author: LottieLocation: Humphrey's Corner PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:02 am
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Tiffany wrote:
Clare wrote:
Does it matter if a book ticks all the boxes for style? I would argue that the enjoyment that a person gets out of a book is far more important than it's writing. Obviously it helps if it is well written, but if it is understandable and it gives you pleasure, where's the harm?


It matters to different degrees for different people, doesn't it? Of course enjoyment is important, but my enjoyment of EBD is marred by style sometimes. I didn't like the only Dan Brown I read at all, because I thought it badly written. However much I like the plot and characters of a book, I will notice, and be bothered by, the errors, because that's how I read.

It's great if children read well-written books - it should help them to write well themselves. But I would have thought it was better to encourage them to read anything that appeals to them, and hope that they will learn for themselves what is a "good" book. Even then, it is still possible to get a different sort of pleasure from a "bad" book, and I don't see what's wrong with that! They were all written, presumably, with the intent of providing enjoyment for the reader.

#20:  Author: alicatLocation: Wiltshire PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:32 am
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I think the idea is that you bring children up to associate reading with pleasure - so if you read to them and around them they will enjoy it. I was so pleased to discover I could hold book in one hand and breastfeeding baby in the other ...............

as for parental censorship: I don't censor for literary style, but I do for content. {Particularly now that so many books for eights and over deal with emotional issues)

For instance, I have pre-read most Jacqueline Wilsons and vetoed a couple until I felt my girls were old enuf to cope with them - Lola Rose, where the mum, daughter and little boy flee violent husband, then go into hiding, then mum gets breast cancer and goes to hospital leaving kids alone (!!!) then violent dad finds them being a case in point. Not, I thought, the sort of thing my then 9 yr old was ready for. I also removed Malorie Blackman's Noughts and Crosses at about the same age. She is 12 now, has just found it for herself in the library and adores it - and understands what it is about properly.

I think if you want your kids to read you have to be prepared to edit their reading as you would videos. Especially with the wave of True Experience books now on the market - had difficult scene in bookshop recently with daughter's friend as I struggled to explain why Daddy's Girl was not something I was happy for her to buy without her mum's approval (it's a true-life account of coping with parental sexual abuse). Wanted to go and have row with Waterstones staff about why it was in children's section, but couldn't.

#21:  Author: LornaLocation: Birmingham, England PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:56 pm
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I studied Children's Literature as part of my degree. Enid Blyton was quite frowned upon as was Roald Dahl if I remember rightly. EBD however was loved by my tutor who actually borrowed half of my collection ... I had great fun transporting them on three bus rides.

I loved Enid Blyton as a child and read Wishing Chair and Faraway tree stories before progressing to Malory Towers and St Clares. I don't think I could re-read them now whilst I know I could quite happily sit and read my way through my Chalet school books. So EBD definitely did something right.

#22:  Author: Loryat PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 11:46 am
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I think if you want your kids to read you have to be prepared to edit their reading as you would videos. Especially with the wave of True Experience books now on the market - had difficult scene in bookshop recently with daughter's friend as I struggled to explain why Daddy's Girl was not something I was happy for her to buy without her mum's approval (it's a true-life account of coping with parental sexual abuse). Wanted to go and have row with Waterstones staff about why it was in children's section, but couldn't.


My God! That is sooo wrong. I don't think anyone should read books like that (talk about rubbernecking) but there is no way a book like that should be in the children's section.

I am surprised that Roald Dahl was frowned upon - I always thought he was a critics darling. And I think he does write well - though his moral judgements are a bit suspect sometimes IMO.

#23:  Author: LornaLocation: Birmingham, England PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 5:04 pm
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Loryat wrote:


I am surprised that Roald Dahl was frowned upon - I always thought he was a critics darling. And I think he does write well - though his moral judgements are a bit suspect sometimes IMO.


I think that was it to be honest, although I always enjoyed Dahl stories myself.

#24:  Author: Lisa_TLocation: Belfast PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:56 am
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And his characters rarely have any redeeming qualities whatsoever. Or those very qualities almost become faults, in a sense...

I first read The Best Little Girl in the World at 15, and was riveted by it. Ironically, as it turned out. The book is a fictional account of a descent into anorexia and the start of recovery. I didn't know then that my best friend had the thing... According to her, many teenagers who read Best Little Girl go on to develop eating disorders. Perhaps because it requires a specific mindset to even want to read the book in the first place. If that's true, I'd add it to the list of 'books not to be left near impressionable kids' list.

EB is appallingly bad. She's a good stepping stone to EBD and better authors like Antonia Forrest and DFB- but there's no denying some of her stuff is awful. I don't think EJO is too good either, but that's a personal opinion. Very Happy

#25:  Author: RóisínLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:40 pm
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Lisa_T wrote:
...I don't think EJO is too good either, but that's a personal opinion. Very Happy


I very much agree with you on her later-written-fill-ins Confused Secrets, Stowaways etc are appalling and nowhere near as readable as the first two or three. /slightly OT



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