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Author:  jennifer [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:23 am ]
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Illness, injury and death are a common theme in the series, partially for plot devices (and getting parents out of the way) and partially due to the presence of the Sanatorium. Do you think that EBD's early history affected her view of illness? Does the series get morbid, or is death too lighly touched on? What do you think about the way that the death of parents or guardians of the girls is handled?

Author:  Alison H [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:10 pm ]
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There's an awful lot of illness, injury and death in the books, but a) these make good storylines (look how many hospital dramas there on TV!), b) they allow for new characters to be introduced via the school's link with a sanatorium or to be written out to help with sick relatives and c) EBD grew up at a time when mortality rates were much higher than they are in Western society now. Certainly I think that the sad death of her brother at an early age must have had a big effect on her.

Some of the deaths do seem "unnecessary" - e.g. the death of Elisaveta's husband - but unfortunately these things do happen in life.

We don't usually get to see funerals or hear too much about the grieving process, but then the books were originally meant for children. Even so, some people don't seem to react strongly at all to the loss of parents/guardians - in Mary-Lou's case it's explained by the fact that she hardly knew her father, but Ruey hardly reacts at all either. But in other cases the reaction's more what would be expected, e.g. Jane's reaction to her mum being injured in a car accident.

Madge's explanation of death to Grizel and Joey in Head Girl is very moving, but on other occasions I find the reactions to death quite disturbing. Sadly we've probably all known people who've been in a lot of pain and with no hope of recovery and for whom we've felt that death was a release, but I can't understand anyone saying that it was a blessing that the man who'd been injured in the car accident with the Rutherfords (it was in one of the later Swiss books but I forget which) had died just because he had no close relatives living. The same applies to some extent with (Jessica Wayne's stepsister) Rosamund Sefton and to Deira's daughter, although we don't know the details of their medical conditions.

Author:  Mona [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:09 pm ]
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One depiction of grief that I'm not sure how I feel about is Joey's reaction to Jack's reported death in Highland Twins. I first read the book as an adult, recognised it as being quite plausible, and found it quite well written. But I wonder now how it might affect someone reading it as a child.

Author:  JayB [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:12 pm ]
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I can't understand anyone saying that it was a blessing that the man who'd been injured in the car accident with the Rutherfords (it was in one of the later Swiss books but I forget which) had died just because he had no close relatives living.
It's in Two Sams. I suppose Joey might have said it to stop Nina fretting about it and setting back her own recovery. But if Dwight's mother really was 'everything' to him, it suggests a fairly unhealthy relationship. Yes, it's sad that she died if she was his only close relative, but a young man should have a lot more to live for than his relationship with his mother. Didn't he have friends? A girlfriend? A career?

I don't think Ruey's reaction to her father's disappearance is surprising. They'd never been close, and Prof Richardson had demonstrated quite plainly that he cared more for his space project than he did for his children.

Some of the deaths do seem entirely pointless - they happen offstage and don't do anything to advance plot or character development. I'd suggest the deaths of the Barras parents as the most unnecessary.

Other deaths are well handled, I think, and serve a definite purpose in the plot. EBD doesn't spend a lot of time on the death of Herr Marani, but it's sensitively handled, and is the culmination of the 'evil of Nazism' theme of Exile. It's the more effective in that Herr Marani is a character we'd known since the beginning, not a 'redshirt' - a character introduced for the sole purpose of being killed off.

Author:  meerium [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:06 pm ]
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I don't know about anyone else, but Auntie's death and her final letter to Jacynth in 'Gay From China...' reduces me to floods of tears every time I read it! I think it's so well done, and the extra twist that it wasn't the operation itself, but her heart's ability to deal with it, that causes her death is extremely poignant. And Jacynth's reaction is very deftly drawn too.

Author:  jennifer [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:59 am ]
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I think Jacynth and her aunt are one of the best portrayals of death in the series - Auntie's letter, Jacynth's very real and overwhelming grief, the combination of comfort and bucking-up she gets from the others, Miss Wilson's gift of the cello, the Lamberts stepping in to help, both before and after the aunts death, and Jacynth's continued seriousness even years after the death - it's all very poignant and realistic.

I find the "it's for the best" and "it's God's will" arguments to very inappropriate in some cases. It's one thing if someone is permanently incapacitated and in pain, or very elderly, in which case death can be a release. To say that their death is for the best because they don't have any family or close friends, or because they are lame strikes me as creepy. If you don't have friends you're better off dead?!? It's better to be dead than lame?!? In the first case, for one, it cuts off any possibility that they will ever have a family or friends.

I find it interesting that no-one uses that argument for Naomi. She has no close family and no close friends, is lame, and will never pursue her dream of dancing, but no-one says that if she dies it will be for the best.

The role of illness is also very interesting. I'm fascinated by the number and severity of the 'delicate' girls. Take the Robin. She's not sick, and doesn't appear to have ever been seriously ill, but she is delicate and must live at high altitude, have early bedtimes and lots of milk, and not be stressed, to prevent her from coming down with TB. The attitude in general is very different from modern times, partially I think due to EBDs experience with illness, and partially due to modern medical treatments and antibiotics making many illnesses much more minor than they used to be.

But don't get me started on the whole standing in a doorway in the cold for thirty seconds immediately causing bronchitis.

And can someone tell me what brain fever is? As in The School at the Chalet and Joey after the Tiernjoch incident.

Author:  KB [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:10 am ]
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jennifer wrote:
I find it interesting that no-one uses that argument for Naomi. She has no close family and no close friends, is lame, and will never pursue her dream of dancing, but no-one says that if she dies it will be for the best.


Actually, they do, or part of it. This is the quite from the end of Trials:

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The prefects left their room in a body. They had kept together most of the time since the news had come, feeling comfort from each other. The Head was in her drawing-room, and when they arrived, she lifted a strained face which made Mary-Lou run forward to kneel beside her. “Miss Annersley! It wasn’t your fault!” she cried. “I know you’ve got the responsibility, but please, please don’t look like that! Naomi is stronger than she was when she first came, and—and we’ve all been praying that she may come through. And even—even if she—she doesn’t, she’ll have gone to join her father and mother, so it will be all right for her!


I think it may be different in the paperback.

Author:  Liz K [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:01 am ]
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jennifer wrote:
I find the "it's for the best" and "it's God's will" arguments to very inappropriate in some cases. It's one thing if someone is permanently incapacitated and in pain, or very elderly, in which case death can be a release.


This was the situation with my Gran. Cancer ran in my mum's side of the family (Gran, Mum and 3 of Mum's cousins all died of one form or other of cancer); Gran had cancer when she was 89 and died aged 94 and she was in so much pain at the end and morphine wasn't helping and it was heartbreaking to listen to her, so yes, death was for the best in this case.

Author:  Jane [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:52 pm ]
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I think brain fever is the old-fashioned term for meningitis. It was the name given to the disease which caused Helen Keller's loss of sight and hearing even when I was a child in the sixties, which I've always assumed to be meningitis.

Author:  JackieP [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:56 pm ]
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Jane wrote:
I think brain fever is the old-fashioned term for meningitis. It was the name given to the disease which caused Helen Keller's loss of sight and hearing even when I was a child in the sixties, which I've always assumed to be meningitis.


Having checked on Wikipedia apparently Brain Fever could be either Meningitis or Encephalitis... so take your pick, basically.

JackieP

Author:  JayB [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:27 pm ]
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But don't get me started on the whole standing in a doorway in the cold for thirty seconds immediately causing bronchitis.

But breathing very cold air might, perhaps, for someone who had a history of bronchial problems? Either that, or Joey was already going down with something, and getting cold made it worse.

I wonder if Joey was perhaps asthmatic? Am I right that asthma attacks can be triggered by very cold air? That would fit with her doing better in less polluted air, and outgrowing her health problems in her teens.

Author:  Jennie [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:42 pm ]
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I think EBD took a very morbid view of it all, especially as she was writing for children, and perhaps emphasised illness and death far too much.

For example, the Robin. Yes, her mother died of TB, but she never seemed to be particularly delicate until she was ten, when they feared for her. So, why didn't the healthy, life-giving air of the Tyrol cure her of a tendency to it? It was supposed to have cured Jo, and the Robin was not living in conditions of poverty and deprivation, so I can't see why the famous air hadn't made her quite robust, especially since she appeared to have joined in all the other girls' activities until then.

And, with the annals of the school being so well known, her fretting for Jo when they were stuck on the glacier was out of place, as a shepherds' hut always conveniently appears when the staff and girls need one.

Author:  miss_maeve [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:03 pm ]
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I remembered a piece from (I think) 'Joey Goes to the Oberland' where Mike asks Joey what a 'susyside' is, and Joey answers 'A suicide, not susyside, is a person who is silly enough to want to die.'
I always thought that was a very unusual remark to be made in a children's book.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:10 am ]
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In some ways I thought the characters in the book had a very spartan way of dealing with grief and girls were told to stop crying even if their only or closest relative had died. For goodness sake they're worse off if they're not allowed to grieve. I remember thinking Bill was hard on Jacynthe Hardy when she said that to her about Aunty.

In regards to Robin, I can understand why they thought her delicate since TB was in the family. They are discovering more and more how much genetic plays in what diseases and illnesses people have so I can well believe the concern and worry they had over the Robin and that they did all they did to try and counteract genetics and give her the best possible chance she could have. And it makes sense that it came to play after Jem married Madge as being a specialist of TB he would be learning all the time and may have known the potential problems

My complaint (if you call it that) is what they did allow her to do knowing her frailty. What was the point of allowing her to go to the glacier in Eustacia if she was as frail as all that

Author:  LizB [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:34 pm ]
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Jennie wrote:
And, with the annals of the school being so well known, her fretting for Jo when they were stuck on the glacier was out of place, as a shepherds' hut always conveniently appears when the staff and girls need one.


Ah, but to be fair to Robin, that happened before the appearance of a useful hut was an established occurrence. :wink:

Author:  Travellers Joy [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:41 pm ]
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Jennie wrote:
And, with the annals of the school being so well known, her fretting for Jo when they were stuck on the glacier was out of place, as a shepherds' hut always conveniently appears when the staff and girls need one.


I worry about friends when they're delayed in bad weather or something, even though I know they are quite capable of finding a B&B to stay in if necessary, so I'm not surprised a child of Robin's age would fret when her beloved adopted sister doesn't return when she's expected.

Author:  Lesley [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:35 pm ]
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Yes but that fretting is unlikely to make you develop TB is it?

Author:  Travellers Joy [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:46 pm ]
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Lesley wrote:
Yes but that fretting is unlikely to make you develop TB is it?


No, possibly not, but then I was only responding to Jennie's comment that Robin's fretting seemed out of place.

Author:  Hannah-Lou [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:06 pm ]
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JayB wrote:
I wonder if Joey was perhaps asthmatic? Am I right that asthma attacks can be triggered by very cold air? That would fit with her doing better in less polluted air, and outgrowing her health problems in her teens.


I've always thought so. It fits with the description of her at the very start of the series, being told off by Dick for dashing about because it always brings on a fit of coughing, and with colds always being a serious matter. It also fits with her general "delicacy". Although asthma was a known medical condition then and EBD never names it. She may just not have been particularly familiar with it though? I've heard that cold air can make asthma worse, but it's not been my personal experience.

Mona wrote:
One depiction of grief that I'm not sure how I feel about is Joey's reaction to Jack's reported death in Highland Twins. I first read the book as an adult, recognised it as being quite plausible, and found it quite well written. But I wonder now how it might affect someone reading it as a child.


It made me cry, at a time when I never cried at any book or film :(

Author:  Travellers Joy [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:16 pm ]
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Hannah-Lou wrote:
I've heard that cold air can make asthma worse, but it's not been my personal experience.


Cold air makes my chest hurt and get tight, and I definitely find it harder to breathe - I also have difficulty breathing in high humidity.

Author:  JackieP [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:45 pm ]
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Travellers Joy wrote:
Hannah-Lou wrote:
I've heard that cold air can make asthma worse, but it's not been my personal experience.


Cold air makes my chest hurt and get tight, and I definitely find it harder to breathe - I also have difficulty breathing in high humidity.


Yup - me too - I have an extra Combined Preventive/Reliever for the winter months as the cold air tends to get to my chest...

JackieP

Author:  Simone [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:29 pm ]
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Me three! - I'm terrible at the moment, usually when there is a big change in temperature - warm to cold or cold to warm

Author:  JoMoran [ Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:56 pm ]
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I've always found the fascination with almost any minor illness or injury needing to turn into something far more serious rather odd. Its obviously (IMHO)part of EBD's way of injecting tension and drama into the books but it happens with such alarming regularity - particularly Joey in the early books - that it starts to become really unbelievable - in every book I think until she gets married Joey is involved in some adventure which ends with her falling in water, down a cliff, out all night and everyone ends up sitting by what is always then portrayed as her death bed only to find that 'the fever lifts' and she's right as rain again the next day. It does come as a bit of a relief in the later books to find these'accidents' although still fairly frequent (cos thats what adds the drama) don't result in all this death bed stuff. I mean, Jem and Jack must have been so busy at the san dealing with the TB patients that I can't believe they had so much time to keep running to the school everytime one of the girls (usually Joey) so much as sniffed !

Author:  Kathy_S [ Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:03 pm ]
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From the health newsletter that just crossed my desk (underining mine):
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Extra doses of vitamin C don't reduce the length or severity of the common cold,according to a new review of 30 studies involving 11,350 people conducted by the Cochrane library. However, this study did find that Vitamin C reduced risk of colds by half in patients exposed to short periods of extreme physical or cold stress or both.

If it reduces the risk, it follows that there is risk to reduce....

I am in the middle of a Beverly Gray reread (30s-50s series), and the frequency of chilling-induced colds the characters endure is right up there with EBD's, though it usually doesn't get beyond a few days in bed with nasty cough mixture. We also see at least one collapse of a highly strung artistic personality. I think it's all part of the genre, though for Beverly "walking home from a boat (or plane) ride" would be the equivalent of requiring a mountain hut.

Author:  REM [ Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:16 pm ]
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I am always surprised when reading about the difficulties caused by a sprained ankle! In one of the early books a girl's arrival at the Chalet is delayed by a term as she has sprained her ankle, and I seem to remember Bill being stranded for six weeks in another village after the episode which put Robin back by so many months!

Author:  Katherine [ Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:47 pm ]
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To be fair to Bill, she had broken a small bone in her foot so it was quite a serious injury; it comes back later int he series to hurt her. But I know what you mean, I did once sprain my ankle properly, as in it didn't get better that day, it took all summer, but I still lead my normal life it was just a bit tender. And I walked away from the sprain, albeit in pain (and I didn't have far to go).

Author:  Caroline [ Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:35 am ]
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JoMoran wrote:
I've always found the fascination with almost any minor illness or injury needing to turn into something far more serious rather odd. Its obviously (IMHO) part of EBD's way of injecting tension and drama into the books but it happens with such alarming regularity - particularly Joey in the early books - that it starts to become really unbelievable - in every book I think until she gets married Joey is involved in some adventure which ends with her falling in water, down a cliff, out all night and everyone ends up sitting by what is always then portrayed as her death bed only to find that 'the fever lifts' and she's right as rain again the next day. It does come as a bit of a relief in the later books to find these'accidents' although still fairly frequent (cos thats what adds the drama) don't result in all this death bed stuff.


To be fair to EBD, in the 1920s and 1930s, before antibiotics, penicillin and most of the drugs we rely on today, before reliable anaesthesia even, many things we would regard as a minor ailment might well have been life-threatening. So yes, an element of tension / drama / artistic license, but all grounded in the reality of the days before modern medicine.

By the 1950s and 1960s of the later part of the series, things had all changed in the world of medicine, and EBD does reflect this by a distinct reduction in life-threatening respiratory illnesses and an increase in nasty accidents...

Author:  Fiona Mc [ Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:27 am ]
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JackieP wrote:
Travellers Joy wrote:
Hannah-Lou wrote:
I've heard that cold air can make asthma worse, but it's not been my personal experience.


Cold air makes my chest hurt and get tight, and I definitely find it harder to breathe - I also have difficulty breathing in high humidity.


Yup - me too - I have an extra Combined Preventive/Reliever for the winter months as the cold air tends to get to my chest...

JackieP


I work as a nurse in the Emergency Department and we always have the number of kids coming in with asthma more in autumn and winter when the weather changes and becomes colder

Author:  LizB [ Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:18 pm ]
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REM wrote:
I am always surprised when reading about the difficulties caused by a sprained ankle!


I was thinking about this yesterday, when I was reading a Malory Towers book in which Felicity sprains her ankle during a lacrosse game, but insists on carrying on playing once it's strapped up - and the mistress thinks it will probably do it some good.

Author:  Miss Di [ Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:10 am ]
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Getting back to death, I re-read Reunion yesterday.

I thought the scene with Grizel and Mary-Lou was very moving when they were discussing Mary-Lou's mum's death. And later on, after ML has returned to stay with Joey she is described as looking dreadful, on edge, lost weight, etc. Some days later Grizel sees ML again and asks Joey what she had done to her "Made her cry" was the reply, and went on to discuss the importance of allowing yourself to grieve and make time to cry.

Author:  Dreaming Marianne [ Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:44 pm ]
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Re-reading "Gay from China" this morning and there's a terribly odd bit at the beginning, where Jo (I think) is talking about an ex-mistress whose daughter fell out of a train aged four or so, struck her head and has been rather strange ever since, but is gradually beginning to get better and is eected to be fully cured aged 14 or so. (???and socially well-adjusted??)

So strange in fact that she has her own separate set of rooms, nurse and hasn't yet seen her 5 month old baby sister yet. Shades of Mrs Rochester anyone?

Author:  Lisa_T [ Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:06 am ]
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Re asthma and cold:
My dad has recently developed asthma from a neglected chest infection (silly plonker - how do you neglect a chest infection, I ask you?) and he complains about the fact that he can't go walking in all weathers any more.

Re grief and crying:
I think crying when there's a good reason for it is 'allowed', but they are quick to prevent it from becoming uncontrollable because of either illness (wth?!) or hysteria. Part of the 'strong women' crusade, I think, and also perhaps a criticism of the view of women as being weak/silly/hysterical/overly-emotional/uncontrolled. It's interesting that the three women who are the girls' most visible role models - Matron, Miss Annersley, and Miss Wilson - are all very self-controlled people, as well as being, in the latter cases, 'bluestockings'.

Author:  Tara [ Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:32 pm ]
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And they're the ones who never marry and provide really strong alternative role models, subliminally questioning all the 'marriage as the end for which God made woman' stuff. Could even be argued that they're the ones who live their own story, while Jo (despite the eleven kids!) can only create stories for others ... bit of a hobby horse of mine!

Author:  Ray [ Thu May 01, 2008 7:13 pm ]
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Dreaming Marianne wrote:
Re-reading "Gay from China" this morning and there's a terribly odd bit at the beginning, where Jo (I think) is talking about an ex-mistress whose daughter fell out of a train aged four or so, struck her head and has been rather strange ever since, but is gradually beginning to get better and is eected to be fully cured aged 14 or so. (???and socially well-adjusted??)

So strange in fact that she has her own separate set of rooms, nurse and hasn't yet seen her 5 month old baby sister yet. Shades of Mrs Rochester anyone?


Given the number of oddeties who show up at the school (Stacie, for example, or Jane Carew), EBD does seem to be aware that peculiar home circumstances don't lead to the best mixers, so I don't imagine she means anything other than a medical sense.

I also don't really think it's shades of Mrs Rochester - massive head injuries of the type the poor kiddy suffered really do cause behavioural problems and there's no sense that the kiddy's actually shut up in the wing, just living separately to help her keep to a routine.

It's Carty's daughter, btw, who later vanishes (or does she actually die?) when Carty resurfaces in Theodora.

Ray *probably has more thoughts on the main topic but hasn't pulled them together coherently yet*

Author:  Lisa_T [ Thu May 01, 2008 7:21 pm ]
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Tara wrote:
And they're the ones who never marry and provide really strong alternative role models, subliminally questioning all the 'marriage as the end for which God made woman' stuff. Could even be argued that they're the ones who live their own story, while Jo (despite the eleven kids!) can only create stories for others ... bit of a hobby horse of mine!


Although if you wanted to nitpick, you could say that by being teachers in a boarding school, and thus acting in loco parentis, they were simply creating stories for others, albeit on a much grander scale. Although in truth it is probably more accurate to say that they help draft the stories for others - they shape the form those other stories will take.

Author:  macyrose [ Thu May 01, 2008 8:18 pm ]
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Ray wrote:
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It's Carty's daughter, btw, who later vanishes (or does she actually die?) when Carty resurfaces in Theodora.

Carty's daughter improves over the years since Carty writes in Theodora:
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You remember Margaret and how ill she was after her accident? She’s quite fit now; engaged to an airman in B.O.A.C. so their home may be anywhere.

Author:  Emma A [ Fri May 02, 2008 11:52 am ]
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macyrose wrote:
Ray wrote:
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It's Carty's daughter, btw, who later vanishes (or does she actually die?) when Carty resurfaces in Theodora.

Carty's daughter improves over the years since Carty writes in Theodora:
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You remember Margaret and how ill she was after her accident? She’s quite fit now; engaged to an airman in B.O.A.C. so their home may be anywhere.

Gosh, that was cut from the paperback!

Author:  Ray [ Fri May 02, 2008 4:20 pm ]
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macyrose wrote:
Ray wrote:
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It's Carty's daughter, btw, who later vanishes (or does she actually die?) when Carty resurfaces in Theodora.

Carty's daughter improves over the years since Carty writes in Theodora:
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You remember Margaret and how ill she was after her accident? She’s quite fit now; engaged to an airman in B.O.A.C. so their home may be anywhere.


Aha! Thanks for that - as someone's noted, that's absent from the paperback (quelle surprise...) Nice to see that:
1) EBD hadn't forgotten about her,
2) didn't kill her off and,
3) actually gave one of her sickly/ill/injured characters (even if we never saw her on-screen, so to speak) a happy ending.

To get back onto the main topic (and to actually give some coherent answers)...

Do I think that EBD's life before the CS was reflected in the illness-and-death story lines? Yes - absolutely. The advice for writing has always been "write what you know", and what EBD knew was childhood diseases and the impact they could have. As other people have already noted, a lot of the childhood diseases that we either dismiss as minor or don't tend to suffer because of immunisation were vastly more serious in the pre-anti-biotics/pre-penicillin days, so in the time that she was writing, not only was it something she knew from first hand experience, so would her readers.

Equally, for the most part, death gets treated in a very sensitive way which can't have been common in children's books of that era. I've always loved Madge's description of what death is - and, for that matter, the oft-repeated sentiment of "it's better this way"; there are definitely times when that applies and with the exception of the example in Two Sams (which I can't comment on as it's probably the only CS book I've never owned or read!), I can't think of a single occasion where the sentiment's expressed about anyone who hasn't been suffering from some kind of chronic condition.

Do I think the series is morbid? No. EBD does balance the illness/death story lines with school events and lighter plot threads. Equally, death and illness aren't the only driving forces for drama - witness, for example, Princess and Redheads, where the major plots revolve around some kind of thriller (I've said quite enough on the subject of whether they're GOOD thrillers!) and in the latter, I don't think anyone so much as catches a cold (although Copper is obviously a little shaken by what happens)!

I also don't think that EBD touches on death lightly. If anything, she treats it quite naturally, as a part of life. It's not treated as a taboo subject or as a special subject, it's just part of life and when it becomes a central plot point - Jacynth's Auntie for example, or Mary-Lou's family [and just to pause here, when you think about it, ML's probably the most tragic of the latter CS characters - she loses her father without ever really knowing him; loses her Gran just as she's hitting the most difficult stage of growing up; loses her step-father not all that long after and then finally loses her mother, all before the poor girl's 22 and unlike Verity {who obviously goes through much the same thing} hasn't found another support system. It's almost as if EBD's punishing her for something!] - EBD handles it with sensitivity. Where EBD tends to come unstuck in her handling of death is when it's just a dropped in mention - like with the Barrass', which seems to have been an after-thought that serves no purpose.

There. Some thorts. Whether they're coherent or not's another matter, of course...

Ray *hoping she hasn't sent everyone to sleep!*

Author:  Mel [ Fri May 02, 2008 6:04 pm ]
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I agree she treats death sensitively but it is often a plot device IMO. I would quarrel with the fact that she hardly allows the elderly to exist. None of the Family or Guernsey gang have grandparents and Herr Laubach is killed off smartish after retirement. As for Mary-Lou - she is not being punished, because every death brings her closer to Joey! Within ten years she loses all her relatives, step and otherwise, even the Barrasses who might have offered her a home. Her only home is Freudesheim at the end of the series. Jo was always besotted with her and so was EBD!

Author:  Lisa_T [ Fri May 02, 2008 9:48 pm ]
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ML's probably the most tragic of the latter CS characters - she loses her father without ever really knowing him; loses her Gran just as she's hitting the most difficult stage of growing up; loses her step-father not all that long after and then finally loses her mother, all before the poor girl's 22 and unlike Verity {who obviously goes through much the same thing} hasn't found another support system.


This hadn't fully occurred to me, but I think there's drabble material there. What happened when Mary-Lou and Miss Annersley returned to England after Doris's death? And does this mean they would be flying back with Doris's body? If so, then it would have to be organised extremely quickly.

H'mmmm.

Author:  Amanda M [ Sat May 03, 2008 7:00 pm ]
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Mel wrote:
As for Mary-Lou - she is not being punished, because every death brings her closer to Joey! Within ten years she loses all her relatives, step and otherwise, even the Barrasses who might have offered her a home. Her only home is Freudesheim at the end of the series. Jo was always besotted with her and so was EBD!


Maybe they were all killed off by stalker Joey so she could ensnare Mary-Lou :D

Author:  Dreaming Marianne [ Sat May 03, 2008 7:22 pm ]
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You see, I can't envisage OOAOML as a grown-up without seeing her as depicted in CGGU...

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