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Author:  abbeybufo [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:22 pm ]
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The Chalet School and Richenda is set between Coming of Age and Trials. It was published in 1958, as Coming of Age had been. This was the year after her mother had died, and it is interesting to note – as an aside to the theme we are considering here – that EBD here deals with a parent-child relationship that is not the easiest; a theme to which she would return two years later, when writing about the Richardsons. Of course filial obedience is one of the main duties that a child owes to its parents in the Chalet world, and there has been a discussion in Anything Else which is also relevant to the theme.

The following synopsis is from the NCC site, and there is a link to ‘spoilers’ - a more detailed synopsis - if you need to know more.

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Richenda Fry has been sent to the Chalet School as a punishment. Her father is a specialist in historic porcelain and Richenda cannot resist handling the beautiful items, especially the rare Khang-he vase, even though she has been expressly forbidden to go near his valuable collection.

She arrives at the School sulky and determined to hate everything about it. This lasts about a day and a half, after which she decides to enjoy life to the full in order to render the punishment null and void. She teams up with the Maynard triplets, particularly Len and Con, and it is at their behest that she agrees to have her name shortened to the more friendly ‘Ricki’.

As a new girl, Ricki is invited to tea at Freudesheim, and Joey Maynard quickly senses that all is not well between Ricki and her father. Being Joey, she determines to get to the bottom of the matter before Ricki goes home to England again.

Out on a ramble to the village of St Cecilie, the girls of Vb are caught in a thunderstorm while still six miles away from the school. They shelter in a hay barn until the worst of the storm is over, but then find that the way back is blocked. The rainstorm has swollen the stream into a raging torrent which has burst its banks and the girls must wade across somehow.

Uncharacteristically, Joey has been unwell. She is to go for a consultation with Sir James Talbot in England, and so wants to have the triplets at home over half term. But when Joey hears that Ricki’s father expects Ricki to stay on her own at school as part of her ‘punishment’, Joey insists that Ricki should join the Freudesheim half-term party.

A talk with Joey over that half-term makes Ricki begin to change her attitude towards her father, but their reconciliation is only really effected by a near-tragedy when Ricki is the victim of an attack by a small boy in a dentists’ waiting room.


The opening scene of the book shows Richenda deliberately disobeying her father, and her being sent away to school is an immediate consequence. The other major scene where obedience is critical is where ‘Junior’ – who has obviously not been ‘trained to instant obedience’ – squirts Ricki in the eyes with a ‘corrosive liquid’ with which he had filled his water pistol. So two major turning points in the plot are to do with obedience – or disobedience.

    Did you notice this theme when you first read the book?

    Did it make you any more likely to be an obedient child [if you first read it as a child, of course :lol: ]

    What other instances of obedience or its contrary did you notice in the book?

Please discuss below these, and any other points you wish to raise.

Author:  MJKB [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:57 pm ]
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I must say that I liked the way Joey supported Rikki, almost against her father, in this book. I haven't read it in a while so I may be missing some musings on obedience.

Author:  Lesley [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:18 pm ]
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Until the Half Term incident my sympathies were at least partly with Richenda's Father. While he hadn't actually asked Richenda why she kept breaking his rules Richenda didn't, at any time, tell her father that she was just as interested in the ceramics as he was. Though a little quick, arranging for her to go to the CS is actually a good thing for Richenda and, rather than just a punishment, was a good way for her to receive a better education.

But his actions over Half Term are basically just nasty. Because he doesn't believe she has learnt her lesson he wants her to remain at the school and be given work. Even when told no-one will be there he insists she can remain and be looked after by the domestic staff. On this occasion thank goodness for Joey living next door and her warm heart.

In a way I'm glad Richenda has the accident to her eyes - at least it shows her father what is actually important - his daughter, not a load of old clay! And Joey's 'interference' here in ensuring the man is aware of Richenda's love of ceramics - is well done and low key.


(Edited because of spelling mistakes! :roll: )

Author:  MJKB [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:20 pm ]
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Lesley wrote:
But his actions over Half Term are basically just nasty. Because he doesn't believe she has learnt her lesson he wants her to remain at the school and be given work. Even when told no-one will be there he insists she can remain and be looked after by the domestic staff. On this occasion thank goodness for Joey lioving next door and her warm heart.


Joey at her best, I think.

Author:  Alison H [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:41 pm ]
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I think that the issue of obedience is dealt with much better here than it is in most of the other books, in that we're shown both sides of the story and both seem reasonable. People like Herr Mensch and Herr Marani, whom we're meant to like, and Mr Cochrane, whom we're not, all seem to take the view that children should obey their fathers just purely because fathers are the heads of the household and must be obeyed without question.

With Prof Fry, although his manner's questionable, it's completely understandable that he's worried that rare and presumably very valuable pieces of porcelain might accidentally get broken if anyone other than himself touches them, and also that he doesn't want anyone else invading the room he sees as his personal space. He's looking for obedience on a particular matter, rather than just expecting his daughter to do as he says just because he's in charge. Whilst presumably most of our parents don't/didn't own valuable porcelain :lol: , pretty much everyone gets into arguments with their parents at Richenda's age, say about things like what time you're allowed to stay out until or whether or not it's OK to go round to a friend's house on a school night, and usually both parties are quite convinced that they're right and that the other one's being unreasonable, which is what happens here.

His actions at half term are really nasty and OTT, though, and the bit when he's brought to his senses by Richenda having an accident is much more reminiscent of the earlier CS books when providence - Eustacia's accident, etc - intervenes to make people repent of their misdeeds! I hope that the horrible little kid at the dentist's and his useless mother repented of their misdeeds as well - poor Ricki ended up with eye problems for several years so that EBD could get the ending she wanted!

Sightly irrelevant, but one thing which really annoys me about this book is that Joan Baker - whom Ricki takes a dislike to because of her "cheap prettiness" (poor Joan, she can't even be pretty without it being the wrong sort of prettiness!) - never gets the credit she deserves for her bravery in helping other girls across the swollen stream :evil: . Anyone else would've got a CS bravery medal for that.

Author:  ChubbyMonkey [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:06 pm ]
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Again, I think that this is one of the later books dealt with very sensitively. I first read it within the last year, and really didn't see the end coming! (One of the few CSs I can say that about, I think) Like others, I can completely see where Prof. Fry is coming from (I seem to recall us having something once that was completely off limits; at one time, I believe even the CSs were, until I was older and could be trusted to read them without breaking them) but can also almost see Richenda's view. For me, though, hers is the weaker argument.

I wonder what did happen to Junior. We see EBD being unusually harsh, IMHO, in this book, with the caning mentioned at the start and then the half term (*suspects that this might have been done just so that Joey can have some wise words with Richenda*) so perhaps she had something bad planned for him?

Author:  Pado [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:43 am ]
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I actually see this one as "theme and variation" on the concept of "nice naughtiness." One the one hand we have Richenda, who is techically disobedient but because she has a genuine interest in the ceramics (which somehow she has never communicated to her father) and on the other we have Junior, who is just a nasty child who presumably has never been instructed not to shoot HCl into people's eyes.

Author:  mohini [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:13 am ]
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I read the transcript of the book as an adult and so sympathize with Rikki's father. I can understand Rikki not communicating with her father. It seemed natural. Though I failed to understand why ceramics theme was put. It could well have been rare paintings or rare manuscripts. It does not make any difference in the plot. I was expecting Rikki using her knowledge of ceramics in the school at least recognizing something as not rare in the museum.
Though I believe in obedience,I also believe that such things should not be kept near the children and the parents should be alert.
I like Joey interfering and asking Rikki to her house.

Author:  Nightwing [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:54 am ]
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I feel like this book is more of a commenting on parenting than on obedience. Junior's parents and Professor Fry have the exact opposite problem - Junior's parents give him no limits, while Professor Fry is way too hard on Richenda - and yet the result is the same, and both children rebel.

Author:  Loryat [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:40 pm ]
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Alison H wrote:
Sightly irrelevant, but one thing which really annoys me about this book is that Joan Baker - whom Ricki takes a dislike to because of her "cheap prettiness" (poor Joan, she can't even be pretty without it being the wrong sort of prettiness!) - never gets the credit she deserves for her bravery in helping other girls across the swollen stream :evil: . Anyone else would've got a CS bravery medal for that.

Yes and this is funny because EBD shows Joan helping out and then shows her not getting any praise. Is she showing us that Joan has just crossed a line with the normally very forgiving CS staff and now they've got no time for her? Surely not!

Though admittedly Betty Landon also helps and she gets no praise either. It's very unusual for CS - was it maybe cut out of the pb?

I too can understand Richenda's father's attitude towards the ceramics. Not that we had anything valuable lying about in our house, but if my parents had told me something was off limits and I'd done it anyway, I'd definitely have been in trouble. I wouldn't have been caned :shock: (though at this time it was still perfectly legal for children to be caned/given the strap at school) but I would have got a slap. I've only read the pb, but apparently in the hb we find out that Richenda has actually broken a vase earlier, which perhaps helps to explain why Prof Fry was so mad!

It seems to me that Richenda is a bit of a brat about the room. As Joey points out, has she ever even tried to explain her pov to her dad? Though his reaction is way over the top, particularly at half term. I think what we get with Professor Fry is actually quite an interesting depiction of a loving but perhaps not very paternal father, who struggles to understand his teenage daughter and to do what he thinks is best. Unfortunately, he doesn't realise that they actually have one thing at least in common.

Joey's 'interference' here is lovely. And I like Matron and Mary-Lou's handling of the horrible boy.

I was confused when I read this book as I kept expecting Con and Richenda to become friends (as they apparently are in later books) but it never happens. It seems instead that Richenda is becoming friendly with Len, and yet they're never all that friendly in later books. And Richenda's friend (Sue?) seems to vanish after she is introduced in Ruey. Though I suppose it's perfectly believable that she and Richenda would have drifted apart over time.

Author:  Cel [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:56 pm ]
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Loryat wrote:
I was confused when I read this book as I kept expecting Con and Richenda to become friends (as they apparently are in later books) but it never happens. It seems instead that Richenda is becoming friendly with Len, and yet they're never all that friendly in later books. And Richenda's friend (Sue?) seems to vanish after she is introduced in Ruey. Though I suppose it's perfectly believable that she and Richenda would have drifted apart over time.


At this stage of the series it seems that it's Len's role - as the school's current Joey-incarnation - to befriend each new character (Rosamund, Richenda, Ted) and sort out their problems, but then she needs to be free for the next one, so the previous friend is palmed off on Con :D

Author:  Abi [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:01 pm ]
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Loryat wrote:
As Joey points out, has she ever even tried to explain her pov to her dad?


I do think this is understandable, though. I never get the impression that he's the sort of parent who would encourage his daughter to talk to him in this way, and if she's never been taught to, why would she even attempt it? She'd assume it wouldn't do any good. I do see this more as Prof Fry's fault that Richenda's.

I too like Joey in this book - Richenda really doesn't deserve her father's treatment of her over the half term break and nothing could be better calculated to make her hate him. Even though Joey isn't well herself, she manages to help Ricki so much.

Author:  Loryat [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:42 pm ]
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Abi wrote:
Loryat wrote:
As Joey points out, has she ever even tried to explain her pov to her dad?


I do think this is understandable, though. I never get the impression that he's the sort of parent who would encourage his daughter to talk to him in this way, and if she's never been taught to, why would she even attempt it? She'd assume it wouldn't do any good. I do see this more as Prof Fry's fault that Richenda's.

That's true, but she whines on so much about how he doesn't understand her, it annoys me that she doesn't try to tell him. You'd think she would at least blurt it out in a temper.

Author:  Mel [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:40 pm ]
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I liked this book for the unusual (for EBD) themes. The subject of Chinese ceramics seems fascinating and I like the glimpse into Quakerism - but is Prof Fry a 'good' Quaker I wonder? He doesn't seem to enjoy inner peace. He should have realised the Richenda is interested in ceramics if he had half a brain. What difference would it have made if R had been a boy - which is what he says 'it would have been easier.' Does that mean he would have beaten him more? Jo is nice in this one but gasps in astonishment that R is sharp enough to know that she takes after her father. "She had not expected Richenda to be so far advanced to reason this out for herself." Why are they always so surprised and startled that intelligent girls can't have insight? ML is the exception of course. I too was surprised that the close friendship between R and Len fizzles out.

Author:  Alison H [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:03 pm ]
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I think it's quite realistic, in that friendships can come and go quite quickly with some teenage girls (I say "some", not "all"); but in CS-land people usually stay best friends for ever and it's quite odd that Len, Ricki and Odette are all bosom buddies by the end of Richenda but that it then all fizzles out. Sue, Ricki's best friend from home, doesn't arrive at the CS until Ruey, so it's not because of that.

Len and Ros pal up in Problem, but then that goes off the boil in Richenda whilst Len makes friends with Ricki and Odette, and then by Theodora Len and Ros are best friends again and Ricki and Odette both seem more friendly with Con. & at one point Len says that she'd like herself, Ros, Ted and Jo (Scott) to be a Quartette, but Jo never seems to come into it at any other point! & the fact that Jo was originally best friends with Josette Russell gets totally forgotten after Kenya.

Things like that happen at real schools all the time, but it's unusual for the CS :? .

Author:  Loryat [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:34 pm ]
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Mel wrote:
He should have realised the Richenda is interested in ceramics if he had half a brain. What difference would it have made if R had been a boy - which is what he says 'it would have been easier.' Does that mean he would have beaten him more?

I always took this to mean that Professor Fry, having been a boy, would be better able to identify with one. There doesn't seem to be a handy female relation available to help out with the upbringing of Richenda, so most of it seems to be left to 'outsiders' such as Nanny (who insultingly appears to have no other name) and Sue's mother.

At this time in particular I would guess that widowed fathers would be expected to let the 'upbringing' be done by a woman, and the fact that Professor Fry is reserved and quite old and serious exacerbates the problem. Even now I think bringing up a single teenage age daughter would be pretty difficult for a man without a close female relation/friend to take a hand when the 'woman's issues' come up.

Author:  Fiona Mc [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:46 am ]
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Loryat wrote:
Mel wrote:
He should have realised the Richenda is interested in ceramics if he had half a brain. What difference would it have made if R had been a boy - which is what he says 'it would have been easier.' Does that mean he would have beaten him more?

I always took this to mean that Professor Fry, having been a boy, would be better able to identify with one. There doesn't seem to be a handy female relation available to help out with the upbringing of Richenda, so most of it seems to be left to 'outsiders' such as Nanny (who insultingly appears to have no other name) and Sue's mother.

At this time in particular I would guess that widowed fathers would be expected to let the 'upbringing' be done by a woman, and the fact that Professor Fry is reserved and quite old and serious exacerbates the problem. Even now I think bringing up a single teenage age daughter would be pretty difficult for a man without a close female relation/friend to take a hand when the 'woman's issues' come up.


Tend to agree with this, a friend of ours who is a widow with a 3 year old daughter has always expressed relief that she a had a daughter not a son as she felt she would find it easier to undersatnd her daughter than she would a son and would feel a son would miss having a father more. I think Professor Fry's feelings about that as very reasonable.

I also can see Con's friendship with Ricki developing a little when they go get milk together and discuss maths. Len takes Ricki and Odette under her wing a little because of pity and because she's a sheepdog. I could see Ricki and Con gravitating naturally together with their love of the arts. Con, of all people could understand the desires and needs for wanting to be around ceramics in a way Len never can, as she's the same about writing. I also think best friends tend to develop over time and as Ricki gets to know people, close friendships develop and not always with the first person you started being friends with.

I also feel at times Rosamund did befriend Joan at school and I wonder if the two had been spending more time together that Len feeling left out started branching out more. Rosamund is a year older than Len and so at the beginning of the book Len is still 13 whereas Rosamund is 15 or nearly 15. I could see how that would make a difference in some things and Rosamund spends more time with Joan who is more her age and a long time friend. I thimk its interesting that Len who is so snooty about village school is best friends with someone who essentially from one. Did she say something about it and she and Rosamund have a cooling off period or was Rosamund turned off from Ricki because of her obvious snobbery towards Joan and inadvertently herself, and so tended to distance herself from Len as well?

Author:  ammonite [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:26 pm ]
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Loryat wrote:
Mel wrote:
He should have realised the Richenda is interested in ceramics if he had half a brain. What difference would it have made if R had been a boy - which is what he says 'it would have been easier.' Does that mean he would have beaten him more?

I always took this to mean that Professor Fry, having been a boy, would be better able to identify with one. There doesn't seem to be a handy female relation available to help out with the upbringing of Richenda, so most of it seems to be left to 'outsiders' such as Nanny (who insultingly appears to have no other name) and Sue's mother.

At this time in particular I would guess that widowed fathers would be expected to let the 'upbringing' be done by a woman, and the fact that Professor Fry is reserved and quite old and serious exacerbates the problem. Even now I think bringing up a single teenage age daughter would be pretty difficult for a man without a close female relation/friend to take a hand when the 'woman's issues' come up.



Would it not also mean that a boy would have been sent to boarding school automatically at a young age and therefore there would be less problems. The boy would also probably then go to friends houses for holidays and would be around less.

Author:  Loryat [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:00 pm ]
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Fiona Mc wrote:
I also can see Con's friendship with Ricki developing a little when they go get milk together and discuss maths. Len takes Ricki and Odette under her wing a little because of pity and because she's a sheepdog. I could see Ricki and Con gravitating naturally together with their love of the arts. Con, of all people could understand the desires and needs for wanting to be around ceramics in a way Len never can, as she's the same about writing. I also think best friends tend to develop over time and as Ricki gets to know people, close friendships develop and not always with the first person you started being friends with.

That's true. When I read that part I thought, this must be where Ricki and Con start being friendly and then I was confused when it didn't happen. But perhaps EBD was being unusually subtle and setting things up for a later friendship to develop; she also has Con thinking up the 'short' for Richenda. You're right about Len being the sheepdog; she is a very caring person and would definitely go the extra mile when given a new girl to lok after.

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I also feel at times Rosamund did befriend Joan at school and I wonder if the two had been spending more time together that Len feeling left out started branching out more. Rosamund is a year older than Len and so at the beginning of the book Len is still 13 whereas Rosamund is 15 or nearly 15. I could see how that would make a difference in some things and Rosamund spends more time with Joan who is more her age and a long time friend. I thimk its interesting that Len who is so snooty about village school is best friends with someone who essentially from one. Did she say something about it and she and Rosamund have a cooling off period or was Rosamund turned off from Ricki because of her obvious snobbery towards Joan and inadvertently herself, and so tended to distance herself from Len as well?

It's true that the age gap could have created a distance between Ros and Len that they later overcame. I think when Ros befriends Joan in later books though it's more because she feels sorry for her and because they have some things in common, than because she really likes her. I also got the impression that Rosamund and Richenda were quite friendly themselves. For example, when the horrible boy attacks Richenda, it's because she is sticking up for Rosamund.

I don't think that Len would have been snooty about Rosamund's school in front of her; but she would probably be right if she criticised the educational standards. I've always been under the impression that through being ill Rosamund missed the 'eleven plus' and therefore ended up in a secondary modern school where she would get an inferior education - for example, no modern languages (or ancient ones either, come to that). Rosamund's sister, who goes to 'the High', is also critical of Rosamund's school (and of the CS :wink: ).

Author:  RubyGates [ Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:42 pm ]
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Having only read the paperback version of Richenda I came up with this condensed version:

Richenda stood in her father's study waiting with dread to hear what her punishment would be this time. Professor Fry glowered at her over the top of his half-moon glasses and said
"Richenda, I cannot stress enough how important it is for you to refrain from going into the ceramics room but you seem determined to disobey me. No matter what I say or do it makes no difference at all.I wanted to punish you in a way that would make sure you do obey my orders in future and with that view in mind I had planned to send you away to the Chalet School in Switzerland. However I have changed my mind as I think you would probably hate me for the rest of your life if I did that so I've decided to do what I should have done in the first place and keep the ceramics room locked."
The End

I always wondered why he just didn't do that in the first place but obviously there would have been no story. You'll have to forgive me if there is any mention of it being locked but I just don't recall that in the PB.

Author:  JB [ Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:37 pm ]
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There is a mention of the room being locked in the hardback but only retrospectively. Prof Fry locks the door after Richenda goes in there are at the start of the book and she's angry that he doesn't trust her. :roll:

As you say, it would have been simpler to have locked the door in the first place and/or have the really valuable items in locked cases.

Author:  Kathy_S [ Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:04 pm ]
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What seems odd to me is that a scholar would have to own the objects of his research. I'd have expected him to spend more time in museums. Of course, if the items were on loan he'd have been even more concerned about breakage, but clearly the Khang-he vase isn't, as he ultimately presents it to Richenda.

He's not presented in a very sympathetic manner, is he, the "rambustious crocodile." It always surprises me that he is the token Quaker parent in the series, since I can't think of any other fictional examples who come across as less than kindly and caring.

On the other hand, Prof. Fry does quite well in the reformed curmudgeon role. Is his "Damn the Chinese room!" the only example of EBD permitting such language? But nothing less strong would express how much he cares for Richenda.

Author:  Tor [ Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:39 pm ]
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What seems odd to me is that a scholar would have to own the objects of his research. I'd have expected him to spend more time in museums.


This isn't as likely as you'd think based on the 'normal' academic experience (i.e. as Kathy_S says tending to work on museum collections). My father-in-law is a (retired) archaeologist who specialises in South-East Asian archeaology and pre-history. This area has an awful lot of highly coveted, and highly valuable ceramic work, and there are a large number of (slightly dubious, in many cases) 'wealthy amateurs' who have their own collections but also publish academically. Also, because of the value of the ceramics etc, a number of my F-in-L's PhD students went on to have highly lucrative careers being paid by insurance firms/auction houses to verify the authenticity of these prize pieces. It's another world, and they are far, far better off that the average archeologist/pre-historian! You should see *their* private collections :shock: :shock:

Author:  Cat C [ Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:15 pm ]
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Kathy_S wrote:
It always surprises me that he is the token Quaker parent in the series, since I can't think of any other fictional examples who come across as less than kindly and caring.


I got talking to someone in The Haunted Bookshop in Cambridge about CS books and other things one time and this was exactly the point I remember her making about this book, coming from a Quaker background herself. She was expecially unhappy about the way Prof Fry uses violence against Richenda, given Quaker ideals. I really wonder what (if any) point EBD was trying to make by having the Frys (or at least the professor) identify as Quakers... Or maybe she just didn't have much idea about the Society of Friends generally and just wanted Richenda to come from a Christian (other) background, rather than being definitely Catholic or Protestant?

Author:  Alison H [ Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:04 pm ]
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I suspect that she just wanted them to be slightly different in some way. Or maybe she just liked the name Richenda, which I think is most common amongst Quakers? EJO has several far more convincing Quaker families in her books, IIRC.

I find it very odd that Nanny takes Richenda to Anglican services. I can't imagine Marie and Rosa taking the Russell children to Catholic services, for example - surely it's not usual for a nanny to take a child to services of their own (the nanny's) religion rather than the child's parents' religion? Sorry, that was really badly put. Maybe that's also meant to suggest that Prof Fry wasn't a very attentive parent.

Author:  Mel [ Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:45 pm ]
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Elfrida Vipont has Quaker families and schools in her books Flowering Spring etc. I imagine she was Quaker herself. The family goes to the Friends Meeting on Sunday mornings and to the Anglican Parish Church in the evening so perhaps there was mix and match...

Author:  Loryat [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:03 pm ]
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:D
ETA I was loling the suggestion that it would have been a lot easier if Prof Fry just locked his room. Somehow missed an entire page of the thread... :oops:

Author:  Catherine [ Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:28 pm ]
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Slightly OT but one thing that always bugs me when I read this book is Hilary Graves. When Richenda appears in the Head's private sitting room looking for Matey (and if it had been me, there is no way I would have dared do that! I would just have returned to Mary-Lou and said I couldn't find her! After all, there were other Matrons ...), Hilary Graves demands to know when Richenda is going to have tea with her ... which just seems rude and bizarre.

Whatever people think about Joey's teas, at least there is a long established tradition there ... why would Hilary suddenly want to invite a random new girl to tea with her? And why does she choose to do it like that? It's almost as though she wants to embarrass Richenda, who must already be feeling very uncomfortable.

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