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Author:  ChubbyMonkey [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:57 pm ]
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Sorry for putting this up early - I won't be able to do so tomorrow, so I thought better now than late!

Lindley Carrick is the father of Juliet Carrick, who is brought to the school in 'School At' and enlisted as a pupil after a chance meeting with some of the Chalet girls during a walk. She proves to be a problem to both prefects and staff, including organising the memorable "prank" of trying to become cinema actresses.

Later on, Joey and some of the others meet Captain Carrick again while on an expedition to buy Madge a birthday present. He is on his way back to Munich, and gives Joey a note to pass on to Madge, which causes Joey to look "puzzled". This turns out to read:

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‘Dear Miss Bettany,’ Captain Carrick had written,—‘Perhaps you will be surprised at what I am going to say. Possibly you will think and say very hard things about me. That is my misfortune. However, let me break to you at once the news that I am presenting you with my daughter Juliet. Circumstances over which I have no control force me to leave Europe at once with my wife. A sulky schoolgirl will only be an encumbrance to us, added to which I have very little money. At least you have been paid a term’s fees, and I dare say you can make the girl useful to you, and repay yourself for her food and clothes in that way.
‘If, in the future, I find myself able to afford to keep her again, I will send for her. Until you hear from me to this effect, she is in your hands and at your mercy.
‘I regret that I am forced to these measures, but I see nothing else for it. Of course, if you like, you can send her to the nearest orphan asylum; but I have more faith in your goodness of heart. For your own convenience, I may as well tell you that neither my wife nor I have any relatives, so search for them will be as useless as search for us. Juliet can tell you that much herself.—Au revoir!
‘Lindley F. C. Carrick.’


Madge being Madge, she of course keeps Juliet with her, and Juliet is reformed by such kindness and goes on to do her best to repay Madge.

How do you feel about this storyline? Do you read it differently now to when you were a child? Does it seem like a plausible storyline to you, or do you think that it would be unrealistic for Captain Carrick to get away with it?

Does this strike you as too adult a storyline for a children's series, or is EBD brave to write about such things? What might have happened if Madge hadn't decided to keep Juliet on - or if Captain Carrick had one day come back for her?

Finally, just to satisfy my curiousity :lol:, why does Joey look puzzled at a note being sent, ostensibly about summer frocks?

Idea by AlisonH

Author:  Loryat [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:14 pm ]
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Lol, I always wondered why Joey looked puzzled too.

ETA, I always also wondered why Madge felt she had to justify taking on Juliet as a boarder even though she had already done just that with the Stevenses!

Author:  emma t [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:19 pm ]
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It's a story line which has always touched me (this being the first book of the seriel I was introduced to!) and I think in RL he would not have gotten away with it. It gets me the way that Juliet knows that this might happen, as it had happened in 'the hills' when she becomes a boarder - why did she not speak up before her father did it? It would have changed things considerably, and I should imagine the entire seriel!

I feel sorry for Juliet, and I do think it fits in well with the seriel; it's good that EBD did not shy away from such a story line, for it allows her younger readers to stop and think about the morals in it, or lack there of on Lindley Carrick's part.

It certainaly explains why Juliet behaves so when it comes to the cinema people; in a way, she is trying to gain some attention, and more than likely get some from her father in the long run.

It's heart-warming the way Madge takes her in, though as it is pointed out to her, there will be another mouth to feed, and clothing to provide. Madge is not well off to begin with, and I am sure it played on her mind how they were going to afford to keep her, even with Juliet helping out as a student teacher.
I can see that Juliet would feel this profoundly, and does her best by helping with the younger girls. Is this why she eventually becomes a teacher herself once she has left school, knowing that she would be able to come back to the school and teach properly, and so 'pay' Madge back, so to speak?

Author:  Emma A [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:34 pm ]
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Captain Carrick's note raises more questions than EBD ever answers. Why did he and his wife have to leave Europe? What sort of a bad lot was he? Did his wife go along with this callous indfference to their daughter, or did she regret their treatment of her? What if Madge had decided that she couldn't keep Juliet and had sent her to an orphan asylum?

Perhaps they're the sort of things that occur to our adult minds, but not to a child. After all, children are often 'abandoned' at the Chalet School (Robin, Amy and Margia, Grizel, et al), just usually not so intentionally or brutally without considering their child's feelings or wants.

I guess, though, if Juliet had confided her fears about being left to Madge (before her father did the deed himself), she might have also feared that Madge would do the same as the former headmistress in 'the Hills' and make her parents take her back. She probably thought that even a poor boarder at the school would be better than being an unwanted third in the Carrick menage...

Author:  Cel [ Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:48 pm ]
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That note is almost breathtakingly cheeky, isn't it? Especially his suggestion that if things were to improve for him he might send for Juliet again and Madge would meekly return her with no repercussions... Surely this should have been a case for Interpol? Although I'm glad it wasn't, Juliet was much better off at the School.

Author:  Alison H [ Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:04 am ]
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It's very 1920s: the charming cad who's persona non grata at the clubs of the British Raj, now has to leave Europe as well (presumably because he's got creditors coming out of his ears, although I suppose it's possible he'd murdered someone in a brawl in a bar instead!) and who makes what money he's got in a casino in Monte Carlo :lol: . Even his name is rather dashing and intriguing - "Lindley" rather than Jack or Dick or Jem :lol: .

I think it's interesting in that it, very realistically, shows Madge as someone who is still finding her way in business and is easily taken in by someone smooth-tongued and plausible. & Juliet's storyline is so sad: her parents don't care about her, then they're both killed, and then Donal dumps her because of their bad reputation.

There's a bit about how she finds bathing Amy a nuisance but does it out of love for Madge, because Madge has been kind to her, which I find very touching. In some ways, Madge fulfils the same role for Grizel as she does for Juliet: she cares about her and treats with her with kindness when her own family don't. And she's like a mother to Robin, who is dumped at the school when she's only 6 and can't even go home in the holidays. And all without ever seeming sickly-sweet. She's such a lovely person, and it upsets me so much that EBD changed her personality so much in the later books :evil: .

I don't know that it would have worked so well a few years later. At this stage, we're still in the world of princesses, Joey nearly dying at least once a year, etc, so things don't seem as unlikely as they might have done later on, if that makes sense.

However, whilst it's hardly something that would have happened regularly (hopefully!), it's not sensationalist either. I don't think it's unrealistic that they thought they could get away with it. It was much easier to disappear then that it is now, when our details are on computers all over the place and people can easily find out where you've used your credit card or mobile phone, or if you're on the passenger list for a flight. By the time Madge got the note, the Carricks could have been on a train to anywhere, and they could soon enough have got to Hamburg or Naples and been on the next ship to the other side of the world.

I don't know why Joey looked puzzled either :lol:, but she'd obviously sussed something was up because when she passed on the note she spoke in a tone which Madge found worrying. Maybe there was just something odd about his manner.

Author:  Sunglass [ Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:09 am ]
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Alison H wrote:
It's very 1920s: the charming cad who's persona non grata at the clubs of the British Raj


That's pretty much my sense of him - you can nearly see him twirling his moustache-ends and laughing in a stage-villain manner.

It's a grim little sub-plot - I always find it particularly sad that poor Grizel fixates on the Carricks from the moment she first sees them, and concludes from Juliet's evident unhappiness and the way her mother scolds her, that Mrs C is Juliet's stepmother. It's horrible (and very plausible) that Grizel instantly recognises another unhappy, even abusive, familial situation and concludes it must be like her own, but there's not even that excuse with the Carricks, even though later on, Juliet herself wonders whether she is really her parents' biological child. Very, very sad, and explains something of why Grizel and Juliet get together so quickly.

I think the only thing I find a bit stagey is that Herr Mensch (because he's a Man?) dislikes and distrusts Captain Carrick, even though their only contact has been a brief meeting in the bank, to the point where he warns Madge to contact Dick to 'gather information' about these 'sudden arrivals' at the Tiernsee. (I always find it a bit puzzling that the fact that they have no ties to the Tiernsee seems to be an issue for Herr Mensch - it's a tourist attraction, so presumably unknown visitors stopping by the lake aren't unusual!) And, if we exclude the matter of references, which presumably weren't required or checked, I don't actually see that Madge has done anything wildly foolish in taking Juliet as a pupil - she gets a term's fees paid upfront from what seem like a pair of ordinary English parents who are staying nearby, who say Juliet will probably only stay a term at the CS, as they are on their way to England. With the Bettany family background in India (was their father also in the British Indian Army?) and Dick working there, the Carricks, with their Indian tans and Raj connections, may have seemed familiar and safe to Madge for that reason.

Even though Dick's cable is so vehement, his follow-up letter doesn't add much actual information (other than the incident with the other school we already know about) just rumours, as Dick admits:
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He’s an awfully bad hat. They do say that he was practically kicked out of here—had made the place too hot to hold him. But it’s only gossip so far, and there may be no foundation for it.


So I'm not sure that what he's saying is that Carrick will attempt to defraud Madge, more that he's not a respectable parent to have associated with the CS...?

The other thing that the Indian connection brings to mind for me is why the Indian Army isn't the obvious way of starting to track down Carrick addresses, haunts or associates (he would have almost certainly done officer training at Sandhurst, too) or are we to understand he has been discharged, honourably or otherwise, rather than just being on furlough? It just struck me as an obvious avenue no one suggested exploring - or is he lying about having been in the Indian Army?

Author:  Lesley [ Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:25 am ]
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I think the bits about Joey being puzzled about the letter and Herr Marani not trusting the Carricks, are rather clumsy attempts by EBD to tell her readers that something was wrong rather than either of the characters suddenly developing ESP. It seems more realistic that Grizel would pick up that there is something not quite right about the family situation.

Author:  JB [ Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:33 am ]
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School At was the first CS book I read and I’ve never found this storyline implausible. I think it’s very much of its time. Neither did I find it particularly adult. I can’t think of any other books with plots where parents choose to abandon a child but, in other ways, it reminds me of A Little Princess, where Sara is treated as a servant at school after her father is presumed dead. Both Juliet and Sara are from Indian backgrounds but there couldn’t be a greater contrast in how they’re treated by their head mistresses.

I can’t see that Madge would have refused to take on Juliet and perhaps Captain Carrick counted on that. If he’s a good judge of character, he may have assumed that she wouldn’t track him down like the head of the Indian school where he’d left Juliet previously. I could imagine Herr Mensch or Herr Marani following him and showing him the error of his ways.

I imagine that Captain Carrick was escaping gambling debts and that his refusal to honour them and other debts was what made “India too hot to hold him”. He no doubt lived beyond his means in the Indian Army and possibly after a dishonourable discharge, he racketed around India, moving on before his creditors could catch up with him.

Plotwise, I think it works that he dies. He could have been ill/injured and repented of his treatment of Juliet but I think that the story works better with him dead and feeling enough responsibility to Juliet to make legal arrangements for her before he dies.

I find it moving that Juliet is worried this might happen because her parents have abandoned her before. I can’t see her telling Madge or anyone else that she thought that might happen – she’s had no reason to trust any other adults in her life and I don’t think it would have been acceptable for a child to speak out against her parents in this way.

It’s a lovely insight into Grizel’s character, from her initial assumption that Juliet must have a stepmother through to her losing interest in Juliet once she stops being a “bad girl”. It demonstrates the hardness in her. EBD was writing such good characters here with a lot of depth to them.

Author:  Llywela [ Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:12 am ]
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I've also always assumed that Carrick was fleeing gambling debts - the text definitely gives that impression.

The abandonment of Juliet rings true to me, as well. Even the most loving of parents can make terrible decisions. It happened in my family - my dad's youngest brother had a best friend at school whose mother died when he was 10, which would have been around 1970/1. The father couldn't cope, so my grandparents started having young Graham around for tea and sleepovers on an increasingly regular basis...and then one day the father just vanished without a trace, not a word of warning. My grandparents kept Graham, and he lived with them for more than 20 years, only moving out when he got married in his 30s. It was many, many years before the father got back in touch, and their relationship remains tentative to this day. Plus I know from my little (adopted) sister's experience that some people just aren't capable of parenting - never form a true bond with their child. Her mother had the excuse of being a drug addict and having grown up in care, but she just did not have a maternal bone in her body and had no problem at all with her child being raised by someone else while she went off and did her own thing. So to me, the Carricks abandoning Juliet totally rings true.

I agree with JB that the character work throughout this storyline is wonderful - many light years removed from the generic stuff she was churning out at the end of the series.

Author:  Mel [ Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:20 pm ]
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I agree that Madge could do nothing in all conscience but take in Juliet, and as for tracking her parents, would she want to hand her back to them? It is sharp of Grizel to recognise Mrs C's nagging, so like her stepmother's but I notice one of the other girls - Gertrud (?) is totally disapproving of Juliet "How disobedient" - because she carries on slouching. So much for 'instant obedience.'

Author:  ammonite [ Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:24 pm ]
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JB wrote:
I find it moving that Juliet is worried this might happen because her parents have abandoned her before. I can’t see her telling Madge or anyone else that she thought that might happen – she’s had no reason to trust any other adults in her life and I don’t think it would have been acceptable for a child to speak out against her parents in this way.



Also the treatment she had recieved in her last school, would probably make her fearful of telling Madge in case it happens again and the shock of losing all her friends again.

Author:  MJKB [ Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:35 pm ]
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JB wrote:
It’s a lovely insight into Grizel’s character, from her initial assumption that Juliet must have a stepmother through to her losing interest in Juliet once she stops being a “bad girl”. It demonstrates the hardness in her. EBD was writing such good characters here with a lot of depth to them.


And Grizel's character is developed consistently throughout the series, in spite of the general deterioration in EBD's writing.

Author:  Loryat [ Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:30 pm ]
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This is a really good storyline and I never found it implausible as a child or an adult. As a child I just accepted it, as an adult I can see how it would happen - Madge accepting Juliet though IIRC she neither likes nor particularly trusts the Carricks, the Carricks taking advantage of the obviously kind and inexperienced Madge, and her decision to keep Juilet rather than turn her out/hunt down the parents as the nasty Hills head does - besides at that time it would be very difficult to trace them. To me it always seemed totally acceptable. Soft hearted Madge wouldn't return Juliet to her parents even if she could, knowing that they'd probably just dump her again.

Captain Carrick's letter is masterful - gives just the right tone of totally amoral charm that for me always perfectly expressed the character.

It's a shame EBD failed to continue to produce such meaty storylines. It seems like the first books have about ten storylines each wheras in later books we get one storyline that's often a reworking of an earlier idea. Still this seems to be a common failing in a lot of GO and most writers don't have the excuse of such a long running series that EBD does. I don't think EBD would have revisited such an adult storlyine in a later book however - that seems to be another tendency in GO writers, to begin with complex/difficult storylines and then replace them with more childish schoolcentric ones.

The one thing that never made sense to me (other than all the inexplicable puzzlement) is the idea Juliet gets that she's a foundling. The Carricks seem like the last people in the world to adopt a child/take on a ward!

Author:  Sunglass [ Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:40 pm ]
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Loryat wrote:
The one thing that never made sense to me (other than all the inexplicable puzzlement) is the idea Juliet gets that she's a foundling. The Carricks seem like the last people in the world to adopt a child/take on a ward!


Might she have been talking to Grizel, who originally assumed Mrs Carrick was Juliet's stepmother, rather than biological mother, presumably because their unhappy relationship reminded her of her own family situation? Not that Grizel actually suggested Juliet wasn't her parents' biological child, but maybe she told her own story about her duped, resentful stepmother, and Juliet leapt to the conclusion that her parents' lack of love for her must come from a lack of blood relationship...? Otherwise it does seem a bit arbitrary.

Author:  abbeybufo [ Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:44 pm ]
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But it's quite common for children to fantasise that they are 'princesses being brought up by woodcutters' or similar - surely this is a variant of that - Juliet hasn't been particularly happy with her parents; she has seen some happy families, and perhaps heard Grizel on the subject of stepmothers; ergo she wonders if she's really the biological child of the parents who have twice abandoned her - that never seemed particularly strange to me ...

Author:  Sarah_G-G [ Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:10 pm ]
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Yes, that always seemed to me like one of those bizarre things that children do come up with on occasion. Plus having been dumped twice on people, I can see how Juliet would go from imagining "perhaps they're not my real parents, 'cos if I was with my real parents we'd be happy" to thinking "maybe someone dumped me on them in the first place and that's why they're trying to push me off onto someone else." Children do come up with odd theories sometimes that make no logical sense to anyone else, I know I did! :oops:

(Not that I ever thought my parents didn't want me, I hasten to add. My home life was certainly nothing like that of poor Juliet or Grizel, but being an avid reader and an only child I did have a very, um, active imagination? I sympathised with Anne thoroughly when she succeeded in convincing herself the wood really was haunted... :oops: :wink: )

Author:  LauraMcC [ Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:12 pm ]
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I never saw it as that odd, either - I imagine that Juliet often longed for a lovely woman to come out of the wood work, and claim to be her long lost mother, or something...

Captain Carrick did seem like an interesting sort of man - I always wish that EBD'd written more about him, although it is fun to imagine what he did in India. I always quite liked the story line - it's chilling, the way in which the Carricks just abandon their daughter, yet Madge comes out well in the fact that she basically mothered Juliet, while giving the girl a degree of independence.

Author:  ChubbyMonkey [ Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:24 pm ]
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And of course if they aren't her real parents then she just might be able to find her "real" parents and find someone prepared to love her - not realising that soon enough Madge would fill that role.

I wouldn't say that I ever "liked" the storyline, but I certainly think that it was done well by EBD. It's one of the storylines that has always resonated for me, and unlike later in the series we contine to see Juliet's development and her parents' eventual death, which I think only adds to it.

Author:  Loryat [ Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:30 pm ]
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LauraMcC wrote:
I never saw it as that odd, either - I imagine that Juliet often longed for a lovely woman to come out of the wood work, and claim to be her long lost mother, or something...

I never looked at it from that perspective before, which is strange now I think about it. Of course Juliet would love it if it turned out to be a bad dream and there were real, kindly, loving parents 'just looking for their little girl'...like Annie. :oops:

I just looked at it from the prespective of a reader thinking well of course the Carricks are her real parents, because otherwise they'd never have taken her in.

Has anyone read a slightly bizarre book by Angela Brazil where a girl is separated from her twin sister and other two sisters as the birth mother can't afford to keep all four children (being widowed) and the adoptive mother effectively buys one of them? Then she dies and the girl has to go and live with her (much poorer) birth mother. I quite enjoyed it but it was very strange!

Author:  abbeybufo [ Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:42 pm ]
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EJO's Finding Her Family has a girl who finds out she was adopted only when the person she thought was her mother dies, goes to the family that she is told are her brothers and sisters, and then discovers even they aren't her birth family!

Author:  MJKB [ Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:21 pm ]
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I think the whole Juliet story line is completely plausible. Unfortunately, there are parents like the Carricks, parents who are into their own relationship but not into the children. Of the two, Captain Carrick is the slightly better parent, because he at least shows a modicum of guilt at abandoning Juliet. Mrs. Carrick shows no affection or concern whatsoever.

Author:  Sunglass [ Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:49 am ]
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MJKB wrote:
I think the whole Juliet story line is completely plausible. Unfortunately, there are parents like the Carricks, parents who are into their own relationship but not into the children. Of the two, Captain Carrick is the slightly better parent, because he at least shows a modicum of guilt at abandoning Juliet. Mrs. Carrick shows no affection or concern whatsoever.


I have to say I find it less genuinely chilling (though it's a really good subplot) than some of the other, later Bad Parent situations which, unfortunately, EBD simply doesn't analyse as much because they're very much 'background', rather than part of the 'at school' plotline the way the Carrick storyline is. I always find Ted Grantley's silly, superficial unloving mother - who dislikes her daughter because she was conceived accidentally, because she's a girl and because she resembles her dead father, rather than being as pretty as her mother - horribly plausible, for instance. Or Jessica Wayne's mother making some appallingly poor decisions about her daughter after she remarries. And of course there are loads of Abandonment Plots at the CS in general - either parents opting to spend years abroad and leaving their daughter with someone completely unsuitable (Annis Lovell, Carola) or various forms of emotional neglect, like Richenda Fry's father, or the Richardsons'. Poor EBD - her own father's abandonment of her shows all over the series.

I think it's the element of pantomime villainy in Lindley Carrick, and the fact that the Carricks actually, literally, abandon their daughter with a flourish at two different schools that removes it a bit from reality for me. (Why, come to think of it, does he actually announce this to Madge in a letter handed over while he's still fairly close by, and therefore potentially traceable with luck? Supposing Joey had allowed her suspicion to overcome ideas of 'honour' and torn open the letter on the spot, allowing Lindley to be wrestled to the ground by Herr Mensch or whoever Joey and co were with...?

Juliet is a boarder by now, so the Carricks could easily have had a grace period of weeks before anyone knew they'd abandoned their daughter, which would have given them time to be on the other side of the world and make sure they were untraceable by debt-collectors. And, to be honest, wouldn't it have been safer to keep even a 'sulky schoolgirl' they don't love with them, because abandoning her at a school - and informing the Head explicitly you were doing so - just gives someone else, as well as your creditors, the motive to chase you...?) Of course, the handed-over letter and the sense that Joey and co actually spoke to Captain Carrick earlier the same day, and Juliet eavesdropping makes it more dramatic - but I could also imagine a heart-breaking scenario later in the book where Juliet behaves more and more erratically at the CS because she fears she's been abandoned again, and then her parents just don't show up to collect her at the end of term... :(

Author:  JS [ Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:22 am ]
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I wonder if Mary Welsey had read CS and was channeling Juliet when she wrote A Sensible Life. The heroine, Flora, was the daughter of Anglo-Indians (in the EBD sense of British in India) and her parents had no time for her. Mind you, in that case it was because they were so sexually enthralled by each other that there was no room for anyone else (and there was another reason too, but it would be a spoiler in case anyone hasn't read the book, although it would also fit in with what Juliet thinks, sort of).
Maybe the Carricks were sexually insatiable too, although, somehow, I don't think that Mrs C would have such a discontented expression if that were the case :lol:

Author:  Loryat [ Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:08 pm ]
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JS wrote:
Maybe the Carricks were sexually insatiable too, although, somehow, I don't think that Mrs C would have such a discontented expression if that were the case :lol:

Maybe if she really was insatiable... :wink:

Sunglass wrote:
I have to say I find it less genuinely chilling (though it's a really good subplot) than some of the other, later Bad Parent situations which, unfortunately, EBD simply doesn't analyse as much because they're very much 'background', rather than part of the 'at school' plotline the way the Carrick storyline is.

For me the most horrible abandonment subplot has to be poor Betty Wynne-Davies, whose parents die and who is sent to boarding school when she is only six because one trustee doesn't want to be bothered with her and the other is abroad. The really sad thing is that no-one at the nurturing CS noticed that Betty had been to all intents and purposes completely neglected, when normally they would do everything they could to help her - see Jacynth.

Of course perhaps EBD only dreamt up the abandonment subplot to excuse Betty's behaviour - even the worst villains need to be redeemed. :D But it's horribly plausible all the same.

Author:  GotNerd [ Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:01 pm ]
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Loryat wrote:
For me the most horrible abandonment subplot has to be poor Betty Wynne-Davies, whose parents die and who is sent to boarding school when she is only six because one trustee doesn't want to be bothered with her and the other is abroad. The really sad thing is that no-one at the nurturing CS noticed that Betty had been to all intents and purposes completely neglected, when normally they would do everything they could to help her - see Jacynth.

Of course perhaps EBD only dreamt up the abandonment subplot to excuse Betty's behaviour - even the worst villains need to be redeemed. :D But it's horribly plausible all the same.


Maybe because Betty came from the Saints, rather than the Chalet School proper, they knew less about her situation. When Hilda interviews parents, she must partly be finding out about their family situation, and thus why they want to sent their girls away. Betty, along with all the remaining Saints, was pretty much accepted sight unseen.

Author:  andydaly [ Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:36 pm ]
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I wonder are we supposed to infer from Mrs Carrick's perpetually sour expression, sallow complexion, bad temper and intolerant behaviour a hint that she has been at the pink gins rather too much? You wouldn't pick up on such things as a child, but a yellow tint to the skin can be a sign of liver trouble, and she is so snappish and bitchy that she sounds like a woman with a perpetual hangover!

I always imagine Lindley as being a gambler and womaniser - perhaps also passing fraudulent cheques, or something. Maybe they want to get rid of Juliet because she is costing money that might otherwise be spent on booze and cards!

On a more serious note, I do find Juliet's story horribly plausible, as has been said above.

Author:  Llywela [ Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:29 pm ]
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andydaly wrote:
I always imagine Lindley as being a gambler and womaniser - perhaps also passing fraudulent cheques, or something. Maybe they want to get rid of Juliet because she is costing money that might otherwise be spent on booze and cards!

That sounds distinctly possible. When my little sister was a baby and only fostered with us, pre-adoption, we would send her out for the day with her birth mother (since the idea at the time was to get the two of them back together) and she would come back wearing little more than rags - the nice outfit we'd dressed her in would have been sold for drug money. Even her milk tokens were swapped for cigarettes. Sad though it is, some parents do place their vices ahead of their children.

Author:  ChubbyMonkey [ Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:54 pm ]
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JS wrote:
I wonder if Mary Welsey had read CS and was channeling Juliet when she wrote A Sensible Life. The heroine, Flora, was the daughter of Anglo-Indians (in the EBD sense of British in India) and her parents had no time for her. Mind you, in that case it was because they were so sexually enthralled by each other that there was no room for anyone else (and there was another reason too, but it would be a spoiler in case anyone hasn't read the book, although it would also fit in with what Juliet thinks, sort of).
Maybe the Carricks were sexually insatiable too, although, somehow, I don't think that Mrs C would have such a discontented expression if that were the case :lol:


I was thinking of that book as I read this! They are so similar, aren't they? Though Flora turns out slightly differently from Juliet :shock:

Author:  Loryat [ Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Adult Matters: Lindley Carrick

Llywela wrote:
That sounds distinctly possible. When my little sister was a baby and only fostered with us, pre-adoption, we would send her out for the day with her birth mother (since the idea at the time was to get the two of them back together) and she would come back wearing little more than rags - the nice outfit we'd dressed her in would have been sold for drug money. Even her milk tokens were swapped for cigarettes. Sad though it is, some parents do place their vices ahead of their children.

:shock: I'm very glad your sister was got out of such an awful situation.

Author:  Carrie A [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Adult Matters: Lindley Carrick

Having just picked up on this thread - I've been offline for a few weeks - I was reminded more of Mary Lennox in the Secret Garden. Her parents were more interested in each other and their glamourous Raj lifestyle. Then when she ended up at her Uncle's Yorkshire home (Misslethwaite manor?) she finds her cousin Colin who seems to have been abandoned within his own house by a father who is so racked with grief for his dead wife that he keeps his son bedridden!
In the same way that Juliet finds comfort and friendship with the Bettanys, Mary and Colin find the same with each other and with Dickon, the farm boy.

I've always imagined Lindley Carrick to be rather like Sergeant Troy in Far From the Madding Crowd! Handsome, plausible and a total cad!

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