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Author:  ChubbyMonkey [ Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:40 pm ]
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I don't know if this has been done before (or if this is the right forum :oops:) but I was just re-reading the first Malory Towers book, and it made me think about which school was 'better'.

I think one of the major differences would be in the way characters are treated - would darling Gwendoline have been allowed to be such a bully at the CS? And would so many of her nasty tricks have gone relatively unnoticed by the staff - for example when she plays all the tricks on Mary-Lou? And how would Matey deal with a fluttering heart? Similarly, would Mary-Lou be allowed to be so sh yand frightened over everything, or would OOAO have lent a hand? Do you think Sally would have been so jealous of her baby sister if she had met Joey and her brood?

On the other side, how would characters such as Eustacia and Thekla von Stift have fared at Malory Towers? Would Prudence Dawbarn and Alicia have been too much for one teacher to cope with at once? Would OOAO have been able to get away with so much butting in had Joey not have been there first? And could any of the CS girls survive without their daily vat of milk? :shock:

I wondered about the staff, too: There is the scene where Alicia pretends to be deaf, and Miss Potts is more than happy to steamroll in and take on Madmoiselle Dupont's role of authority. I couldn't help contrasting it to the scene where Rosalie Dene walks in on complete chaos and is very angry, but then very embarrassed when she realises that the teacher was already there! I also thought of the Madmoiselle's fight over the play - again couldn't help contrasting it to when Miss Bubb is in charge, and even though the staff disagree they try to uphold her in front of the girls.

The role of the prefects struck me as being very different too - in Malory Towers they are seen as being very distant and grown up, but at the Chalet School they are encouraged to take a very active role with the girls - OOAO helping Jessica Wayne, for example.

I just wondered what other people thought of this, and which school you think was better? Which would you have preferred to have gone to?

Author:  andydaly [ Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:52 pm ]
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Chalet School, all day long. I always had a sneaking sympathy for Gwendoline, bar the snobbery - I too am disinclined to physical activity and cold water, and it always seemed to me that Gwendoline herself was bullied, and by the supposedly "good girls" at that.
The Chalet School had the trilingualism that fascinated me so much, the exotic location, the astonishingly flexible timetable, and allowed girls who didn't enjoy maths or science, for example, to drop them in favour of another language, or history.
I loved the Malory Towers books as a child, but the Chalet School was definitely my favourite.

Author:  Chris [ Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:39 pm ]
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I too much prefer the Chalet School. I recently re-read the Malory Towers books and found myself tut-tutting all the way through! The girls seemed to be quite nasty to each other, and no-one tried to befriend Gwendoline and change her point of view. I enjoyed them as a child, but they don't stand up to reading as an adult in my view. They don't seem to me as rounded as the Chalet School books, with cardboard cut-out staff.

I have just started a re-read of the St Clare's books, and am really shocked at the attitude of Pat and Isabel in the first chapter! I have a feeling I am not going to actually get to the end of these!

Author:  Alison H [ Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:43 pm ]
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Definitely the Chalet School, despite its sad lack of midnight feasts and free time. Malory Towers was just too bitchy (although not as bad as St Clare's, where the whole form ganged up to try to get Mirabel in trouble with the teachers). Belinda's caricatures of people might have seemed hilarious to her friends, but I'm sure they were very upsetting to some of the people she made fun of. And why on earth did Darrell and Alicia get away with repeatedly dragging Gwendoline under the water or pushing her into the pool fully clothed? The girl might not have been very nice, but she couldn't swim: she could have drowned!

Author:  Lesley [ Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:12 pm ]
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I know a number of excellent drabbles have been written both on here and on MCR about what happened to the MT girls during and after they left school. Many were very sympathetic toward Gwen. However I wonder how things would be if some of the CS mistresses spent a term or two at MT and saw the bullying and nastiness from all the girls in person?



Hmmm...bunny food.

Author:  MJKB [ Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:01 pm ]
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Absolutely no comparison between the two schools. Any bullying behaviour in the CS is generally tackled, and the staff, by and large, keep an eye on relationship problems among the girls. The system of sheepdogging allows new pupils to be assimilated into the School gradually and gives them some feeling of security and support when they really need it. Any girl in need of a little bit of mothering has Joey, practically on tap, next door.
Malory Towers, on the other hand, expects 12 year olds to find their feet immediately. Bullying is rife, and even though the teachers are aware of how malicious and intimidating Alicia is, they make no great effort to curb her. I loved the MT books, and still think the setting of the school - a castle built on a cliff, overlooking the Cornish coast idyllic, but the behaviour of most of the girls to those who didn't fit in was appalling.

Author:  Pado [ Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:22 am ]
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Sign me up for the Chalet School also (honesty compells me to admit that I might have issues with certain elements of the program such as cold early morning baths and compulsory folk dancing) but I would like to bring the MT pool along.

Author:  MJKB [ Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:29 pm ]
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Ah, you'd get used to them. Think what a lovely complexion you'd have never mind the shapely legs.

Author:  JB [ Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:50 pm ]
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Chalet School, please.

Fifth formers at Malory Towers where the girls conspire to make fun of Maureen's ideas for the panto is horrible. There's no attempt made by anyone, staff or pupils, who didn't immediately fit in.

Author:  Jenefer [ Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:05 pm ]
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Chalet School. I am not sure about the cold baths however

Author:  Sunglass [ Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:17 pm ]
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This thread is reminding me of how frighteningly judgemental I found the Malory Towers books as a small child, especially, as others have said, all those cruel set-pieces where misfit girls are publicly mocked - that Maureen and the pantomime scene is particularly awful - or caricatured or pushed into pools.

And I know I intermittently accuse the CS of snobbery towards people like Joan Baker, but it's much more widespread in Enid Blyton. There's all that sneering about Jo Someone's father in Malory Towers dropping his 'h's and being a nouveau riche road hog with bad manners and the 'wrong ideas', and someone whose name I can't remember in St Clare's whose lower-class grammar and mannerisms are mocked ((it turns out her previously poor family have recently come into lots of money), and other bits of plotting around snobbery towards the daughter of a temp Matron and a schoolgirl thief who steals to hide the fact that she's not as wealthy as her schoolmates.

I agree with whoever said thay'd take the fabulous Malory Towers pool and run to the CS. Although I have to say I would have adored Belinda to come to the CS and caricature OOAO as she did 'St' Catherine in a stained-glass window... I would also have been highly amused to see the 'fagging' system from St Clare's, where the lower-formers do jobs like fire-lighting and boot-cleaning for the Seniors, at the CS. And proper midnight feasts involving lavish birthday cakes, ginger beer and tins of condensed milk!

Author:  MJKB [ Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:00 pm ]
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JB wrote:
Fifth formers at Malory Towers where the girls conspire to make fun of Maureen's ideas for the panto is horrible. There's no attempt made by anyone, staff or pupils, who didn't immediately fit in.

That's one of the most appalling scenes of overt cruelty in any GO book that I've read. Even as a child I felt quite sick for the poor girl. The only character that shows any sort of discomfort at Maureen's baiting is the boyish Bill. The heroine Darrell is convinced that this is the only treatment that will 'cure' Maureen of being a pest. Turn ooao on to her, I say- bossy and interfering she might be, but cruel she isn't.
There is absolutely no way that EBD would dream of writing a scene of such atrocious bullying without showing authorial condemnation.

Author:  Nightwing [ Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:01 pm ]
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I liked the MT books when I was younger (although I was never big on St Clare's) but they aren't stories that I can go back and read for the pure pleasure now - but then, I find that with most of Enid Blyton's books.

To me, the biggest difference between MT and the CS is compassion. The adults at the CS always try to understand their girls and help them, and these are traits which are picked up by the girls. At MT, on the other hand, we seldom see teachers involved at all - apart from the ridiculous Mam'zelles, and I vaguely remember the Headmistress but she didn't really leave much of an impression on me!

I was trying to imagine how Gwen would be treated if she'd joined the CS instead of MT and I can imagine something similar to how Lavender Leigh was dealt with by the other girls - there was always an effort to include her, and on the occasion that Biddy told them their behaviour was dangerously close to bullying they were quick to turn it around. Lavender's virtues were allowed to show through while she learned to cope with her faults - whereas I don't think we ever see if the poor Gwendoline Mary even has any good points!

ETA: I think MJKB has hit the nail on the proverbial head :D. When reading the MT books, we're undoubtedly meant to side with Darryl and her friends, and aren't meant to find some of her worst exploits disgusting. EBD's narrative, on the other hand, allows us to sympathise with both protagonists and antagonists - even with a Nazi girl, during WWII!

Author:  Fiona Mc [ Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:23 pm ]
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I remember loving MT and St Clares when I was reading them and to this day I really liked that we followed one form right through the school. One of the hardest things I found with CS when I first started reading it was how much the jumped around. That was one reason why I was glad Joey Maynard was in so many-at least she was a familiar character.

In regards to the behaviour of the girls, I never found Gwendoline a particularly sympathetic character- she bullies Mary Lou in an underhand way to get back at Darrell and Alicia; she drops Daphne as soon as she finds out she isn't rich and doesn't want to give her a second chance; she only wants to be friends with anyone wealthy so initially becomes friends with people for that reason; she terrifies her parents by pretending to have a weak heart; she's vain, boastful, lies and is spoilt. No matter how many chances the girls give her she refuses to take it that the others end up ignoring her as much as possible. I do agree pushing her in the pool isn't nice but she did the exact same thing to Mary Lou and then held her under.
The girls do help Mary Lou and when Sally and Darrell help her by getting her to rescue Darrell in the pool everyone tries to continue encouraging her.
I do think in Second and Fifth Form there is a lot of nastiness but there is a lot of good things to like how they give Daphne a second chance and how Moira defends June. The girls do try talking with Catherine and Maureen but finds its not working so try the cruel to be kind way which I have to admit isn't very nice

In regards to St Clare and their treatment of Mirabel, the girls did try talking to her and tell her how annoying her behaviour is being and a lot of that bullying comes from Elsie who is spiteful- who did more than what anyone agreed to- and Alison who was bullied herself by Mirabel and was getting her own back. The girls did see a some good points about her and then try and help her. In regards to Sheila and her pretenses at being grand after her family came into money, they girls say if she had been honest about it all they wouldn't have minded, it was the airs and graces and Eileen who Matron's daughter it was the fact she sneaked to her Mother that the girls didn't like rather than the lack of money (except for Angela and Pauline).

Sorry I'll get off my soapbox now :oops: I loved those books when I was young and still have a soft spot for them

Author:  Elbee [ Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:51 am ]
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I really enjoyed the MT books (and to a lesser extent St Clare's) when I was younger, and might not have moved on to the CS books if I hadn't been desperate for more MT type books. I can still read MT now, but only by ignoring all the nasty behaviour, and by imagining myself back in childhood again. From an adult perspective a lot of the bullying is awful, and we don't get to see the "nicer" characters really making an effort to help others. We might mock OOAO but at least she does make a huge effort to help those who just don't seem to fit in.

I would definitely have preferred to go to the CS, although I wouldn't have liked the cold baths and the lack of freedom, especially to curl up with a good book instead of dancing/table games.

Author:  JS [ Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:16 pm ]
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I loved both MT and St Clares as a kid and, having learned the lesson by re-reading a famous five book recently (the snobbishness! the racism!) I don't want to spoil my fond memories by re-reading them.

I think, looking back, that they were a lot simpler than the Chalet School, with far less in the way of character development, but then perhaps that's natural given the much shorter series length and, if I recall correctly, much shorter books too. The CS always seemed more three-dimensional and the books were more challenging - they mentioned things that I hadn't necessarily heard of before, things it took me a while to understand, gave me a (dubious) grounding in foreign languages and ideas about friendship between different countries.

So it's the Chalet School for me, ideally in the Tyrol.

Would love to see Matey dealing with a 'fluttering heart' mind you.

Author:  Cat C [ Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:42 pm ]
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I loved MT and St C when I was younger, and haven't reread them for a very long time (although now I'm wondering what they would look like given the 'Five Go Mad in Dorset' treatment).

They were also very accessible, whereas sometimes I could get quite lost reading CS - the book where we meet the Wintertons right at the beginning (The Lady Acetylene Lampe etc) confused me horribly on first reading, and when you're reading 'Carola' as 'car roller' references to Christmas carollers and accents and what have you just baffled me.

Overall of course, the CS books are far 'better' including adult points of view and historic events (in Exile etc), and I think the girls sounded far nicer to know - although I always had a nasty, sneaking suspicion that I wouldn't have properly fitted in for some reason!

Author:  MJKB [ Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:04 pm ]
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Ah, I'm sure you would have!
I loved the MT books and still have them in my bookcase. They were a great read altogether, and EB certainly created one of most idyllic settings for a boarding school. It took me a little longer to get into the CS books, but it was worth the effort and I still derive enormous pleasure from them to this day. Re Fiona Mc's point about Gwen being an unsympathetic character, I quite agree. She is arguably one of nastiest characters in Go literature. However, the treatment she receives from the girls and the mistresses at MT compares most unfavourably with that meted out to girls with a similar profile in the CS. Sybil Russell was every bit as bad and with less excuse in that BOTH her parents were sensible, and she is redeemed. The picturesque Yvette is eventually accepted by the girls and, according to Cornelia in Rescue, turns out really well. Lavender Leigh is another case in point. You can always count on a fair degree of balance on the part of EBD when writing about these 'difficult' characters and how they are treated by their peers.

Author:  KathrynW [ Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:04 pm ]
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I always found the Malory Towers books far more 'realistic' (as far as possible) when I was younger. I think that the CS just seemed to far removed from my life both in terms of geography but also in terms of being clearly rooted in a specific point in history that I couldn't imagine going to the school whereas I could imagine going to Malory Towers and whilst I agree that a lot of the behaviour was quite unpleasant at times, it also struck me as fairly plausible. Although I should caveat that by saying that I've never been to a boarding school!

As books to read, I'd always chose the Chalet School because they have far more depth in my opinion but when I was younger, I definitely preferred Malory Towers.

Author:  Selena [ Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:10 pm ]
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The Malory Towers books were a big favourite when I was a kid and I have to admit I still enjoy reading them. I think the characters in the Chalet School are much less “cardboard cut-out” than the Malory Towers ones though. There is also more background information about the Chalet girls.

I think the Chalet School was generally much friendlier, but conformist. They always seem to go around in groups, never pairs of best friends and seem genuinely shocked if someone doesn’t agree with one of their traditions or doesn’t fit in in some way. For example, Mary-Lou’s reaction to Naomi’s lack of church membership and the shocked reaction when Lala Winterton classes Games as a lesson.

I like Alicia’s tricks but I wonder if she would have got away with anything in the Chalet School, where everybody always gets found out / owns up and punished. I think the MT staff are more sensible about tricks and especially midnight feasts. The fuss made about Joyce Linton & co’s feast was absurd - you don’t “nearly die” of eating too many sardines and pineapple or whatever it was they had! :roll:

I would LOVE to see Gwendoline Mary’s reaction to the cold baths :twisted: , not to mention having to do lessons in French, which she is terrible at! Although, could someone please explain to me why most Chalet School girls seem to actually LIKE having cold baths in the morning?! :shock: I’ve never understood that. I was reading the New Chalet School the other day and one of the Saints who’s joined the school is told she can only have a cold or chill-off bath and she states cheerfully that she PREFERS the water cold. If it was me I’d have been horrified!! :help:

Author:  MJKB [ Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:18 pm ]
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Ah, she closed her eyes and thought of her complexion.

Author:  Kadi [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:08 am ]
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I have never read the MT books but going by what other people have posted it sounds like the CS takes a more balanced view of the place of games in school life.

Author:  Mel [ Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:25 pm ]
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I loved Malory Towers because they were fun. Not as complex as CS but better than a lot of the GO at the time.

Author:  charmkat [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:13 pm ]
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In terms of the best books they are undoubtedly The Chalet School series, the books are far better written, the scope and variety within the series is an outstanding achievement and the characters are far more readable (and likeable), however wherein lies the Chalet School's success with both young and adult readers is quite simply their idealism. Essentially good always truimphs over bad but it does not necessarily make them realistic. Sadly the Malory Towers stories and the St Clares (to say nothing of those ghastly Naughtiest Girl stories) however come, I regret to say, far closer to reality - and I speak as one who went to boarding school and have to say can totally relate to a lot of incidents that arise in Enid Blyton's stories. I think many of the characters in the Enid Blyton stories are horrible, especially many of the girls, but the sad fact is they are also very recognisable! I read to escape a lot of the time, personally I'd rather read Elinor Brent-Dyer's Chalet books any day than Enid Blyton's school stories.

Author:  MJKB [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:25 pm ]
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The day to day minutiae of school life is far better dealt with in the CS in my opinion. The scamble in the mornings, the close supervision, the insistence on uniformity, they are all aspects of boarding school life that I could identify with as a school girl. The girls in my school were actually closer to the CS than either of the main Blyton school. No one would have beeen allowed to get away with the appalling bullying that went on without condemnation in MT. Some of the nuns were a bit off the wall , but the girls were really nice to each other. Leaving out the endless freakish blizzards and collapsing footpaths that abound in the CS, the daily routine comes quite to what I experienced at boarding school.

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