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Author:  Róisín [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:33 pm ]
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Synopsis here. A new English school is begun in the Oberland but unfortunately burns down the day before the girls are due to begin. The CS offers to house them temporarily. But the new girls don't like how the CS is run, and a feud begins. Among the staff as well, there is a new mistress who doesn't contribute to smoothing over matters.

So, opinions? Is anyone on Miriam Ashley's side? Do you think that EBD could have given the new school a less-used saint! Is it too much of a coincidence that the new school burns down? What about Maeve Bettany as headgirl; could she have done more in the circumstances? And the role of the cats?!

Please raise any issue in relation to The Feud in the Chalet School below :D

Next Sunday: The Chalet School Triplets.
Author:  Alison H [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:51 pm ]
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It's a good storyline in that you do get feuds between rival schools and this was probably the best way of showing it at a boarding school (the other school burning down was stretching a point, but she had to find some way of bringing the temporary merger about). Much as I dislike Jack Lambert, her gang and her leadership of it are both horribly realistic. It's also interesting to see the St Hilda's girls daring to criticise certain elements of the way that the CS is run :lol: .

I do sympathise with Miriam Ashley: there are always difficulties with any sort of merger, even a temporary one, especially if you're one of the "incomers". As a teacher, she had a responsibility to try to smooth things over, though.

I think it's a great shame that EBD didn't show Maeve (whom I don't think should have been HG anyway, as Jo Scott was a better bet) doing more. Josette and Maeve both get very little chance to make a contribution as HG, and Ros Lilley none at all, and the impression given is that EBD had no interest in them other than as 3 people keeping Mary-Lou's seat warm for Len.

As for the cats, some cats do look very alike, but the storyline was really pretty silly ...
Author:  MJKB [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:57 pm ]
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Is anyone on Miriam Ashley's side? - Roisin.

Gosh no! She reminds me of a Ms Bossy-Knickers we have on our staff. Barely a wet five years from her college days, throwing her weight around and stepping heavily on the toes of us veterans! Sorry. She REALLY annoyed me today and I had to vent my spleen.
Author:  Meg14 [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:34 pm ]
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As for the cats, some cats do look very alike, but the storyline was really pretty silly ...


Yes how likely was it that they would both be called Minette?

But I did love the golden syrup episode in this book which definitely made me giggle! :D
Author:  Abi [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:17 pm ]
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Róisín wrote:
Is it too much of a coincidence that the new school burns down?


I do think this part of the plot (like the cat part!) is a bit contrived - how likely is it that such a string of coincidences would really happen? On the other hand, the subsequent difficulties and feud are quite realistic. I like the fact that the seniors are fairly mature about the situation and as Alison said, the way the middles behave about it is very realistic - they are so ridiculously immature in their behaviour!

As for Miss Ashley, I can see why she would find the situation frustrating, but she could have made things much easier for everyone if she'd made the effort. Her reaction was totally self-centred.
Author:  Sunglass [ Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:32 pm ]
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I do find this one of the daftest books of the entire series. (And given how much I complain about late Joey, I'm astonished to find you actually feel the lack of her in this one - all she really gets to do is show up like Solomon and pronounce about the cats, tick off Miss Ashley once and then reappear at the end of the play for a single wise observation.)

It's not even just the daft identical cats plot, it's the fact that the whole book feels unbelievably claustrophobic and over-excited, even more than other winter books, where bad weather and cabin-fever feature. The sighting of Jack Maynard handing something to Gaudenz fuels huge excitement, then there's all the speculation about what the Head's surprise could be, and the mere announcement that the nativity play is going to be read gives rise to a full two minutes of unbridled applause. Then, if that weren't enough, Miss Annersley announces:
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"One other thing! Mrs Maynard has sent over some pots of Anna's special greengage jam because she thinks that after all this miserable weather you must need some sort of change, if it's only in jam!"
Jack Lambert bounced to her feet. "Three cheers for Mrs Maynard!" she shouted excitedly


And then, all the dormitory prefects, including Len, tell their charges not to talk during Kaffee, so they can hear the play sooner! More cheers, after the play:

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before anyone else could move, Phyllis Garstin forgot her dignity and jumped to her feet, crying, "Oh, how simply marvellous! Cheers, everyone, for Mrs Maynard! It's a-a-a wonderful play!"
The cheers were given with gusto. Not a girl but was on her feet, yelling blissfully.


And finally, after all that 'blissful yelling', Gillie Garstin proposes a specific cheer for the jam:

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The cheers were duly given with a vim that made Nancy Wilmot in her seat at the high table regard the ceiling thoughtfully before she remarked, "Well, it seems to have stood up to it all right. It's a wonder it hasn't collapsed. Joey ought to be pleased when she hears of this. Bless the girl!


One feels the need to point out that, as Miss Annersley has said, the jam was made by Anna, but seriously, what's going on with all the hysterical cheering? This is all in the same afternoon!

And the feud/merger is a good plot, and EBD hasn't done it in a while, but it would be much more interesting if St Hilda's weren't so obviously inferior. Not only do the CS girls have a lot to teach the visitors, but Miss Kent picks up 'no end of tips' from the CS staff, and Mrs Thwaites adores Matey and
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to quote herself, sat at that lady's feet, drinking in her words of wisdom.


Suppose the visitors had something to bring to the table, something the CS could learn from?
Author:  jennifer [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:44 am ]
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I rather like the feud - I think it shows the different types of friction at different levels, as well as the tricky issue of siding with your people when you realize that they have done something wrong.

Miriam Ashley - I sympathize with her disappointment - going from being practically in charge to one of a multitude of junior mistresses with no power is a big change. However, her behaviour as a result is inexcusable. The CS would be warranted, I think, in relieving her from duty after the incident with Herr Laubach. ("Oh good. He's finally dead. Can we have his building now?")
Author:  Mel [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:44 am ]
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Not a favourite this one. EBD again introduces a school as a foil for the brilliant and unique Chalet School. And why St Hilda's? She should (as a good Cathoic convert) have known a few other women saints - she does it St Mildred's where one of the groups is called St Agnes. Poor Anna having to donate jam for the whole school. She should have a lock on her store cupboard after the bottled fruit affair. The feud itself is realistic as the Middles would all be critical of one another in that sort of situation. Oh and I love Maeve's remark about St Hilda's voting for their prefects. Something to the effect that she is glad that in the CS they are all staff appointments. Well as Head Girl you would dear.
Author:  Emma A [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:38 pm ]
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Mel wrote:
... Oh and I love Maeve's remark about St Hilda's voting for their prefects. Something to the effect that she is glad that in the CS they are all staff appointments. Well as Head Girl you would dear.

Giggling at Mel's comment :lol:

Still I see what she means - when prefects are elected it tends to mean something of a popularity contest ensues. It might mean that Margot Maynard was not appointed Games prefect, though...
Author:  Alison H [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:00 pm ]
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At our school the 6th form and the 5th year voted for the Head Girl, and in our year a rumour did the rounds that the person chosen (who did a brilliant job, BTW) had actually not received as many votes as someone who'd been in quite a bit of trouble over the years, and that the headmistress had rigged the results :wink: .
Author:  Sunglass [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:15 pm ]
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Emma A wrote:
Still I see what she means - when prefects are elected it tends to mean something of a popularity contest ensues.


But at the CS, only the good are also popular by the time they're seniors, no?

I think it's interesting that Maeve assumes it wouldn't be a good thing if prefects were voted for at the CS. Surely, in a novel which is really all about how great the CS is (compared to a crappy English school), EBD isn't really suggesting that CS girls aren't capable of thinking of the good of their school and voting for the best people? In another school, I agree, it would be a popularity contest/disaster, but this is the CS, where even firebrands appear to like and respect mistresses and prefects for being strict, if they're also friendly out of hours, so to speak! (This is one of EBD's biggest failures of realism throughout the series for me - naughty schoolgirls in real life much prefer lax or incompetent authority figures!)

Also, while EBD sometimes allows an unworthy person to be popular among sillier girls of the lower forms, but by the senior forms, everyone (bar poor Joan Baker) is a 'real' CS girl, and the popular people are always seen as deserving to lead. (I'd personally take issue with EBD over someone like Jack, who I think is a thug, ditto Margot, but EBD herself clearly thinks both of them are essentially good eggs who deserve their popularity.) Again, in a less ideal school, the popular girls would often be the bad girls, but at the CS, popularity and responsibility go hand in hand, as in Joey, Mary-Lou, Len etc etc. (And those three would have been voted in on popularity grounds as well, anyway...)
Author:  Alison H [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:12 pm ]
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Depends who was voting. The younger girls were always moaning about OOAO being "too much on the spot"! And I'm not sure that a goody-goody like Len would have been popular with the younger girls: there was nothing to dislike about her, but on the other hand she had no charisma either.

It's also possible that there could have been a backlash against members of the "founding family" being chosen, especially if someone made an issue of it as Eilunedd did.

Most people - whether in the CS or just in life generally - are hopefullly kind of sensible by the time they're 17 or 18 (well, maybe!), but I can imagine that a Bad Girl might be popular amongst younger pupils purely because she was a Bad Girl. Or someone could have organised a campaign to vote in someone unsuitable just for the sake of it (like Rick Astley recently being voted best pop star ever :lol: ), or for what they thought was a good reason (like Dimsie did with ... was it Ursula?).

Oh, how I would love to've seen Joan Baker be elected Head Girl by a group of younger girls who weren't as snobbish as their elders. I reckon she'd've done a good job too!!
Author:  Sunglass [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:23 pm ]
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Joan Baker for Head Girl! I could get behind that campaign and imagine her reading the Parable of the Talents with a perm and un-schoolgirlish lipstick. (And surely voting for prefects would get rid of the niggling complaints about favouritism and the Founding Family that raise their heads at intervals courtesy of Eilunedd and others?)

I'd entirely agree on the potential for disruptive voting if this were Kingscote, or a real life school, but I think EBD is too idealistic to actually write it that way. Honestly, I could imagine a plot line where one or two of the sillier Middles say they're going to vote for someone unlikely, but are inevitably overawed into Making the Right Decision by a grave talk from Miss Annersley, who impresses the gravity of the vote upon them/ or by some flood/fire/avalanche/other calamity convincing them that Len Maynard is the right one for the job after all. (Though you're right that anywhere but the CS, Len would be the dull, fussy, responsible one that the Middles thought square, while they had endless crushes on the bad girl chain-smoker with the biker boyfriend (or Joan Baker, for that matter.) Only this is the CS, so no one has crushes, far less biker boyfriends.)
Author:  Kate [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:09 pm ]
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Sunglass wrote:
(This is one of EBD's biggest failures of realism throughout the series for me - naughty schoolgirls in real life much prefer lax or incompetent authority figures!)

Do you think so? I don't agree really - the best loved teachers I have had or have worked with have always been quite strict when they need to be. In my experience children get bored very quickly when they can do whatever they want and they prefer authority figures that they can respect.
Author:  MJKB [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:31 pm ]
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I was going to say the same thing, Kate. In my school, which is seriously disadvantaged and where there can often be major discipline problems with weaker teachers, it is the firm, fair teachers who are most respected and most highly regarded by the students.
Author:  JB [ Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:03 am ]
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This is one of my least favourite books in the series but I read it through again last night, with the help of a chocolate reindeer, kindly donated by my boyfriend.

I feel some sympathy for Miriam Ashley, although she shouldn't have let her pupils see her resentment. It would have been fairer of EBD to show some interaction between her and the other staff in the staffroom, or perhaps Miss Annersley explaining sensibly why arrangements were made in this way. I laughed out loud when she woke up in the Chalet School (but obviously didn't know where she was), talked to "firmly" by the nurse and Bill, and then given a sedative. I know this was to help with the pain of her injuries but it's just so-o-o Chalet School.

I think Maeve is an ineffectual Head Girl. Why didn't she call a proper prefects' meeting when she realised the problems with the younger girls? The problem was with both sides, yet she says she doesn't want to involve the St Hilda's prefects as they'd feel embarrased about their girls behaving badly. Surely this was something which needed to be tackled jointly? And she needed prompting by Rosamund Lilley (who comes across as very responsible here) to take the problem seriously in the first place.

And all the Monicas!! Monica Caird is Games Prefect and one of the St Hilda's prefects is Monica Garstin. Why?! :?

I am intrigued as to why Joey features so little in this book. It is a situation where you'd expect to be very involved. Rushing off to the Emburys before the start of term seems very out of character.

I'd have liked to see Melanie Lucas settling in to the school and how Len felt about being a prefect. This, like many of the other later Swiss ones, feels like a book which had potential to be so much better.
Author:  Sunglass [ Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:26 pm ]
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Exactly how old would Jack and co be in this one? They're still Middles, aren't they? And what year in the CS-universe is it?

That bit where Barbara Hewlett is
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commenting loudly on the stupidity of people who made as much fuss over a simple catfight as you would expect over an air-raid


just struck me - depending on what year we're in, would a girl of Barbara's age, fourteen or so, be that likely to remember air-raids? It seems like something an older person would be more likely to say.

I agree about Maeve being ineffectual in this one - there no seems no reason why the CS prefects shouldn't have got together with the St Hilda's prefects and lectured the Middles on mutual forbearance - even though she is very critical of Doris Bratsby, one of the SH's prefects:

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"Did you hear Doris last night when I reminded her that she was on dormitory duty?"
"Did I not!" This was Monica.' She shirks every single duty she can. I overheard her later talking to Pamela. She said it wasn't one of their duties at St Hilda's and she did not see why they should be bothered here."
Aimée Robinet looked up with a sparkle in her eyes. "Did you see Miss Derwent's face on Friday when we were discussing our future careers and Doris said she thought of being a mannequin?"
"Me, I almost choked for I dared not laugh," Lizette said, laughing now at the memory. "But how horrified she looked!"
"If that's what she means to do," Monica said bluntly, " she had better go in more for gymnastics. She holds herself shockingly, and she slouches along when she walks. That won't do for mannequin work."


This cracks me up - not only is the voted-in prefect a shirker, but she is open about planning a career that the 'good' St Hilda's prefect and the entire senior CS plus mistress explicitly consider beneath them to the point of shocked faces and suppressed laughing - AND she is not going to be good at even this unambitious job it because she slouches!

I suppose it wasn't a likely career move for a presumably middle-class girl after an expensive boarding school in Switzerland, but neither (I would have said) was being a kennel-maid, which is what Monica Garstin is planning on, without anyone suggesting otherwise. (Why don't any of the ravishing beauties of the CS consider modelling careers? No doctors at fashion shows?)
Author:  Emma A [ Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:46 pm ]
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Sunglass wrote:
I suppose it wasn't a likely career move for a presumably middle-class girl after an expensive boarding school in Switzerland, but neither (I would have said) was being a kennel-maid, which is what Monica Garstin is planning on, without anyone suggesting otherwise. (Why don't any of the ravishing beauties of the CS consider modelling careers? No doctors at fashion shows?)

Most of the fashion models before the 1960s (when people like Twiggy started) were upper-class girls who could appear in Vogue with impunity. Patricia Wentworth has two of her characters (Marion in The Case Is Closed and Jane Heron in The Catherine-Wheel) earning their living as mannequins (though neither of them enjoy the job); M M Kaye's heroine Miranda Brand in Death in Berlin is also a fashion model.

I guess that CS girls never got into modelling because it would involve drawing attention to themselves! (also, and stereotyping hugely, most designers were not likely to be attracted to women). Still, I suppose a photographer might sweep them off their feet!
Author:  MJKB [ Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:57 pm ]
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One of the CS girls becoming a 'mannequin'? I think not! (I love the word mannequin, it's so gorgeously fifties.) I cannot imagine any of the worthy CS girls even attending a fashion show never mind participating in one.
Author:  Lottie [ Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:20 pm ]
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Didn't Blossom Willoughby say that if she weren't needed at home to help with the baby, she'd have to be a mannequin, because she didn't have the brains for anything else?
Author:  JB [ Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:31 pm ]
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Didn't Blossom Willoughby say that if she weren't needed at home to help with the baby, she'd have to be a mannequin, because she didn't have the brains for anything else?


I think she said she'd have to be a mannequin or go out charring.
Author:  Sunglass [ Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:35 pm ]
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Emma A wrote:
Most of the fashion models before the 1960s (when people like Twiggy started) were upper-class girls who could appear in Vogue with impunity.


Sorry, I wasn't clear - that's what I meant, that she's not the right class for model material, not being (as far as we know) either Tatler class or a proto-Twiggy. That's why I thought it seemed odd for a girl who is presumably middle-class. Maybe I'm over-reading it, but the fact that Miss Holroyd wants to start

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a school in Switzerland for girls whose parents could not afford the fees of the expensive finishing schools, but who would be glad if their daughters might have two or three terms abroad with special attention to languages


suggests, now that I think of it, a somewhat cheaper institution than the CS (though, obviously, it can't be cheap, exactly) with possibly pupils from slightly further down the social scale? We're also told that the St Hilda's girls don't have ski-suits as part of their uniform (though Matey somehow manages to find 37 spares to fit!), which I was also reading as a sign of a cheaper operation with fewer winter sports frills etc.

Maybe less odd for Blossom - they're certainly rich and yacht-owning etc, though I can't think offhand of anything relating to their social niche, other than money and Blossom doesn't need to earn a living..?
Author:  JB [ Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:47 pm ]
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a school in Switzerland for girls whose parents could not afford the fees of the expensive finishing schools, but who would be glad if their daughters might have two or three terms abroad with special attention to languages


And yet, the pupils are horrified at the thought of French and German days at the Chalet School. Was also confused that there were junior middles at the school if it's for a two or three terms abroad.

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Maybe less odd for Blossom - they're certainly rich and yacht-owning etc, though I can't think offhand of anything relating to their social niche, other than money and Blossom doesn't need to earn a living..?


Completely forgotten the details but Blossom's father Nigel, is related to Sir Piers Willoughby. a baronet.
Author:  Alison H [ Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:55 pm ]
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I can understand the idea of being keen for girls to have 2 or 3 terms abroad to improve their language skills (not that they ever get to speak to anyone local!): Joan Baker talks about hoping that her languages will help her to get a better class of secretarial job. I don't see how you were meant to have 2 or 3 terms abroad unless it was a kind of finishing school, even a "cheap" one, though. Presumably Gillie and the others weren't going to have one academic year in Switzerland and then go back to a school in Britain :? .

I love the idea of some of the Chalet School girls, with their perfect complexions (from the Swiss air), their elegantly slender figures, their violet/pansy-coloured eyes and their lovely hair, becoming models, and living life in the fast lane, being photographed by Lord Snowdon, mixing with the rich and famous ...
Author:  JustJen [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:57 am ]
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sneaks behind Allison H and drops plot bunny treats.
Author:  Fiona Mc [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:33 am ]
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In regards to voting Prefects I completely agree with it as at our school it was always a popularity contest, for who was going to be school captain. Clare Mallory wrote about the problems with it in A New House at Winwood when a girl was voted form prefect for Upper V and later house prefect purely because she hatred the changes to the school and lead most of the school in revolt. I think Clare Mallory writes about it and mentions the problems of it in Merry a number of times of girls aiming for the popular vote and bribe younger girls into voting for them by sharing privelidges etc. So I do agree with the Head deciding who was Head Girl.

I know when I was at school I hated the slack teachers as it was too hard to get any work done and you never learnt anything. Most of my forms felt the same way. Give me a strict teacher any day.

I certainly didn't mind Maeve being Head Girl. Even if Jo Scott hadn't left she would only be in VIb as she had been Va last year with Len and Co and so there is no way they would have made her Head Girl over someone in VIa. Maeve's form was a bit weak as most girls went into Inter V rather than Vb which left Maeve's form a bit empty with characters.
Author:  JayB [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:00 pm ]
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It was putting Jo Scott in Inter V with Len & Co in New Mistress that dished her chances of being HG. I suppose EBD was trying to fill up the form with girls we already knew, but I don't know why Jo should have been one of them. She wasn't brilliantly academic, but she was a hard worker and kept up with her form.

This is an old plot, but I think EBD does find new things to do with it. Miriam Ashley's reaction is I think very realistic, and I think is an example of how EBD differs from many other school story writers in giving us the adult pov - and showing adults being less than perfect, without being out and out villains. Miss Ashley is much less of a cardboard villain than Miss Bubb or Matron Whosit.

This book also has Jack Lambert for the first time coming up against someone of her own age who has just as strong a personality as herself, and who has her own little gang of followers. It's a pity this didn't have any lasting impact on Jack's character.
Author:  Kathy_S [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:42 pm ]
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My favorite characters in this one are the cats! I especially enjoy Minette II, the one who "had been taking a leisurely walk as a lady had every right to do...." I never really get to like the middles who are supposed to be center stage in this one -- Jack, Gillie, and Miss Ashley, who apparently failed to outgrow the phase. I would much rather have had more from the Future Chalet Girl universe!

Q: Is it true that naming a cat Minou/Minette is equivalent to naming him/her "Kitty."? I have heard this but haven't the French to know whether my informant was a reliable witness. (No French at all, in fact.)
Author:  Sunglass [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:07 pm ]
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Kathy_S wrote:
Q: Is it true that naming a cat Minou/Minette is equivalent to naming him/her "Kitty."? I have heard this but haven't the French to know whether my informant was a reliable witness. (No French at all, in fact.)


'Minou' is the equivalent of something like 'puss' or 'pussycat' and it and 'Minette' are kind of generic French cat names, like Fido or Spot for a dog. I never really thought about it, but it's a slightly unusual name for an Englishwoman living in a German-speaking canton of Switzerland to give her cat - is Miss Holroyd a French teacher?
Author:  Kate [ Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:10 pm ]
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I was under the impression that only one cat was actually called Minette in the beginning but that they ended up both being called Minette because they couldn't be told apart, not that they were both independently called that. But I don't really remember Feud in detail, it's a while since I've read it.
Author:  MJKB [ Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:18 pm ]
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Minette is probably the French version of the name Minnie, sometimes shortened to Min, that was used for several generations of cat in my father's family. They are known now as the 'Min Dynasty'!
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