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#1: Vocations Author: Alex, Location: Cambs, UK

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:01 pm
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I'm reading my new GGBP Excitements (which in passing I think is phenomenally badly edited in the PB, they appear to have just arbitrarily removed sentences here and there) and there is an interesting conversation which is not in the PB. It occurs when they're talking about writing to old girls and that Robin won't be able to come because she's a nun:

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Yseult, who was working on a teacloth in exquisitely-done broderie anglaise, had sniffed loudly - not to say snorted. She now remarked, "What a life to lead! What possessed her to become a nun? Perhaps she's ugly, though?"
"She's not, then," Len flashed. "Everyone who's seen her says she's lovely."
"Oh? Then why did she do it?"
"Because she couldn't help it," Margot said slowly, her charming, impish face suddenly very grave.
"Couldn't help it? What on earth do you mean?"
Margot flushed, but she stood her ground sturdily. "If you have a - a Call from God you just can't help answering it. Auntie Rob did and she had to go."
"She tried not to for ages," Len took up the story. "She did social work and things like that and got wet and was ill for ages. When she was well again, she knew she'd have to give in - she told me so the night before she flew to Canada. Now she's most frightfully happy and she was miserable before."
Yseult looked her most superior. "Oh, that's a lot of rot! What is there about it that's so wonderful? According to you three, she can't call her soul her own and she has to spend her days teaching - and saying her prayers and all that sort of thing. I call it -" She checked suddenly as she realised what it was she had been going to say.
Margot and Emerence were down on her at once. "Well? What do you call it?"
"Well, unnecessary, anyhow." Yseult softened down what her first thought had been. Inter V help a good many Catholic girls and she guessed that there would be an outcry if she voiced her real ideas. "She could teach anywhere and say her prayers, too, without shutting herself up like that and being bossed about all over the place by someone else."
Con spoke up. "But it's more thatn that, Yseult. It's giving yourself and all your time and thoughts and everything to God. If He's called you to do that and you know it, I don't see how you can back out of it decently."
Joan Baker had been listening to all this with some impatience. Now she intervened to recall them to the first subject of conversation. "What's the use of arguing about it? Yseult doesn't understand, any more that I do and it's no business of ours anyway. What I want to know is have any of you got any ideas about celebrating next term besides those the Head gave us?"
They left Robin in far-off Toronto and came back to the Chalet School on the Gornetz Platz at this reminder, much to the relief of Jo Scott who had been about to remind them that religion was not supposed to be discussed among them.

This leaves me with quite a lot of questions. Firstly, why are they not allowed to discuss religion? They're allowed to talk about praying for people and the CS seems to be quite open about faith.

Why is religious vocation such a Catholic idea (just to be clear I'm not talking about other forms of vocation such as marriage and the single life and the idea that everyone has a vocation)? Why do people think that girls only become nuns if they're ugly (a friend of mine when told she was too pretty to become a consecrated lay woman demanded, "What? So it's only ugly girls for Jesus now?"). A non-Catholic Christian friend was speaking to me the other day about people in the Church of England getting ordained as a career path. Is this true? And there's a man in my choir training to be a priest, and a non-Catholic in the choir asked me and another of my friends what made him decide to become a priest and we both immediately said that he didn't decide, God decided, which seemed to flummox her rather. As a Catholic I suppose I have been exposed to the idea of vocations in general, and religious vocation in particular, since I was very young. I have friends who are priests, nuns and consecrated lay people and the concept seems completely normal to me. But is it just me, or do other Catholics think the same? And what do non-Catholic Christians think?

I know we have had some discussion about vocation before but I think this is coming from a slightly different angle. Sorry I've gone on so long, and as apparently good CS girls don't talk about religion, mods feel free to step in!.

#2: Author: Alison H, Location: Manchester

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:40 pm
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I think that the idea has changed considerably over the course of time. In pre-Reformation England abbesses were generally from noble families, maybe even royals although generally princesses had to marry to form alliances. Even in the 19th and early 20th centuries, being a minister (of whatever religion) was seen as very prestigious - think of all the gentry vicars in Jane Austen's books - whereas now it isn't. It's partly because there are so many other career paths to follow these days, whereas at one time an educated man would only really have a choice between religion, the civil service, the law or the armed forces. And it's probably also partly because wages for the clergy have declined relative to wages for other positions Rolling Eyes

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However, even in earlier times there was an idea that a convent was somewhere where surplus daughters/impoverished widows etc were "put" because their families couldn't support them and they had not "got" husbands, and there are always going to be people who think that way.

Also, these days an awful lot more emphasis is put on romantic/sexual relationships than it perhaps used to be - that could apply regarding people like Hilda, Nell and Rosalie who devote their lives to the school, as well as to nuns. I think that the main reason that the idea of having a "vocation" is generally associated with Catholicism probably is largely because of the celibacy element.

So really I think that Yseult's comment is very out of date - these days things have changed so much that only people with a real vocation would be likely to follow a religious path. Seeing as it's Yseult who says it and Len who jumps down her throat I assume we're meant to think that it's a totally stupid idea!

Hope that that makes sense Rolling Eyes

#3: Re: Vocations Author: Mia, Location: London

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:41 pm
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Alex wrote:

This leaves me with quite a lot of questions. Firstly, why are they not allowed to discuss religion? They're allowed to talk about praying for people and the CS seems to be quite open about faith.

I don't see from the extract that they're not allowed to discuss it tbh, just that in their world a) faith is a personal thing and the Maynards prefer to 'act their faith not talk it' (I think these are Jack's words that Len quotes to somebody) and b) Yseult was being rude criticising Robin and Joan was changing the subject to stop it becoming overheated.

Personally I wouldn't say vocation was only a RC notion - look at the Buddhist monks.

#4: Author: Travellers Joy, Location: Middle of Nowhere

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:08 pm
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I agree with Mia that the prohibition isn't so much on discussing religion or vocation but rather on Yseult being rude or derogatory about it. And vocation isn't just a Catholic thing. Many ministers, vicars, priests or whatever the preferred name is in the various Protestant churches also feel they have a calling to the ministry - or lay ministry, as the case may be. I'm not sure any of the men or women in ministry that I've known would have chosen that path as a career: the pay's generally lousy, the hours worse, and the way some parishioners treat them is atrocious. But they stay because that's what they feel called to do.

#5: Author: Katherine, Location: London, UK

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:39 pm
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To me the word vocation doesn’t feel like an exclusively religious word. I’m sure there’s a point in Malory Towers where they are discussing careers and Mary-Lou says she’s going to be a nurse and it’s said something along the lines of being a nurse was a vocation, something you felt you had to do. To me it’s more about deciding to devote your life to a worthwhile cause. Maybe there’s more than one meaning though and I’m discussing the wrong one?

As for discussing religion, the CS is very accepting of religious differences but as Mia said they don’t spend a lot of time declaring their faith and I think there’s a lot to be said for the 'act your faith not talk it' approach in terms of not being preachy and holier-than-thou. But I can see that talking about your faith would be very important for some people and they certainly do talk about faith so as to be constructive, eg coming to terms with death etc. What they don’t so is debate religion in the sense of should you be a Catholic or a Protestant for example? That is left to personal choice. But then say you were thinking of converting for example, mightn’t you want to explore your feeling with your friends. Maybe what was meant was that CS girls weren’t to be intolerant of religious differences.

#6: Author: Lolly, Location: Back in London

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:22 pm
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Perhaps she meant something along the lines of the old idea that you shouldn't talk about politics or religion at table.....presumably because they are such contentious subjects that it wasn't thought polite to bring them up[/i]

#7: Author: JayB, Location: SE England

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:35 pm
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Why is religious vocation such a Catholic idea ?

I don't think EBD necessarily meant religious vocation as a whole. But the idea of having a calling to become a nun would be far more familiar to Catholic girls than Protestant girls; some of them might have relatives who were nuns. And so they'd be much more likely to be offended at Yseult's ideas than Protestant girls, for whom the discussion didn't have a personal element. (I know there are Anglican orders, of course, but they're not so well known. EBD may not have been aware of them).

And slightly off topic, but I think Joan handled the situation very well. She intervened when no-one else did, she put a stop to the discussion before it became too heated, she made a conciliatory gesture towards Yseult, who was being jumped on by all the Maynards, by saying she didn't understand either, and she introduced a new topic which would bring everyone into the discussion.

#8: Author: Kate, Location: Ireland

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:14 pm
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The last part

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much to the relief of Jo Scott who had been about to remind them that religion was not supposed to be discussed among them.

does seem to imply that it's a specific "forbid" as John and Julie would say.

Maybe it's because the powers that be don't want the girls to be converting each other from Catholicism to Protestantism or vice versa! Or more simply than that, they didn't want arguments over which faith was "right" which could happen between two girls very passionate about their respective beliefs - which could occur in such a religious but bi-faith* environment. So what Katherine said, really. (And she said it much more eloquently!)

*I was going to say multi-faith, but it's not when it's only two, is it?

#9: Author: Karry, Location: Stoke on Trent

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:16 pm
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I think there are more protestant orders of nuns and monks around now than there were in the forties and fifties. Also, people used to use the word 'religion' to mean more about denomination. Perhaps it was to avoid the catholic v protestant arguements that can arise about doctrine that there was the embargo on discussion rather than actual faith?

It was also the case in the past where families owned the right to appoint clergy that the eldest son got the land, the next son went into the army or navy and the third son went into the church and got the family living!

#10: Author: Katherine, Location: London, UK

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:29 pm
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Kate wrote:

So what Katherine said, really. (And she said it much more eloquently!)

Amd there I was reading your post thinking you were putting it much better than I had!

#11: Author: Karry, Location: Stoke on Trent

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:32 pm
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Woops - due to timelapse technology kate posted while I was still writing!

I agree!

#12: Author: Mia, Location: London

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:39 pm
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Karry wrote:

It was also the case in the past where families owned the right to appoint clergy that the eldest son got the land, the next son went into the army or navy and the third son went into the church and got the family living!

Taking things OT I'm afraid, but anyone else immediately think of this as EBD's eventual plan for the Bettany boys? Smile

#13: Author: Karry, Location: Stoke on Trent

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:39 pm
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I could see this more for the Russell boys - David would inherit the San after taking up his father's reins, and then Kester and Kevin were destined for the Army and Navy - a mythical fourth son would have been the Anglican vicar, eventually ending up as Bishop of Armishire!

#14: Re: Vocations Author: MaryR, Location: Cheshire

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:42 pm
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Alex wrote:

Why is religious vocation such a Catholic idea.... As a Catholic I suppose I have been exposed to the idea of vocations in general, and religious vocation in particular, since I was very young. I have friends who are priests, nuns and consecrated lay people and the concept seems completely normal to me. But is it just me, or do other Catholics think the same? And what do non-Catholic Christians think?

As a young Catholic teenager in the late fifties, around the time this conversation was going on with Len, I think we Catholics did tend to think then that religious vocation was a Catholic thing - but I suspect that was because we were insulated from any other religion and told ours was the *true* one. Shocked

Go figure! It took me a while to realise there were Anglican convents and monasteries out there, and as Anglican ministers had a salary, however meagre, which Catholic priests didn't, nor could they marry, the latter somehow seemed more of a vocation. Don't ask me why! After all, they've all given up a great deal to follow their vocation. It is certainly no easy option.

As to Yseult, her ideas are not unusual and certainly to be found around even today. I have heard all those comments in my time. After all, if you don't have a faith, then the whole idea of sequestering yourself away is incomprehensible. My husband thinks a Carmelite friend of mine is wasting her life and her intelligence. Even nursing or teaching nuns must seem an alien thing to become if you don't believe in God. As Alex says, to we cradle Catholics it all seems quite normal. I even considered it myself for a short time, as a teenager - and that was normal, too, then. I'm afraid MA would have made mincemeat of me in five minutes! Laughing

Btw, as a Catholic writing about an Anglican convent and an Anglican minister in ND, please feel free to correct me if I get things wrong, or too Catholic! Embarassed

Whisper - this was my 2000th post!! Wow!

#15: Author: Lesley, Location: Allhallows, Kent

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:11 pm
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I always used to wonder about Malory Towers Mary Lou and her vocation for nursing - never felt I had one! Laughing

I also think Joan did extremely well there - although again, it was unacknowledged - and feel that the Authorities probably did have a ruling that said there was to be no comparison between different faiths for fear of offending people. I fully expect the Staff had those discussions though!

#16: Author: Sarah_K, Location: St Albans

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:35 pm
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Perhaps the girls were encouraged to only debate religion in their classes, with teachers around, I can quite imagine it would cause some fights and heated words otherwise. Although they do often talk about religion to the more wayward girls so that doesn't quite work. Perhaps it's discussion/debate that's the problem?

You'd struggle to go into the Anglican ministry as a creer path without a vocation. There are several interviews and panels and such like that you have to go through to show that you do have a Calling and that it is the right place for you (similarly with the Methodists I think and I'd imagine the Roman Catholics and Orthodox churches) and having watched friends struggle through them their not easy things to get passed.

#17: Author: Pado, Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:17 am
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Certainly it would work for the Maynard boys - slightly out of order. Steve would go into medicine, Charles the church, and Michael the Navy. What the younger ones would do, I'm not sure. Become dissolute men about town in a Bertie Wooster sort of way?

#18: Author: Fiona Mc, Location: Bendigo, Australia

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:41 am
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Lesley wrote:

I always used to wonder about Malory Towers Mary Lou and her vocation for nursing

I know our Uni lecturers didn't like the expression of a born nurse. According to them nurses are trained not born! I can see that some people seem to have a decided gift that way and know of a couple whose people skills rise well about the majority. And Mallory Tower's Mary Lou was a born children's nurse.

I know my brother is a minister and does feel he has a vocation that way for he works all hours under the sun for not much pay but his job is his life too much not to do it.

I do think it's interesting Margot's reaction to the conversation and wonder if she was considering her vocation to be a nun at the time.

#19: Author: Mona, Location: Hertfordshire

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:26 am
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I do think it's interesting Margot's reaction to the conversation and wonder if she was considering her vocation to be a nun at the time.

I think it's very likely that EDB had that in mind for her, which makes it all the worse that the passage was cut from the pb, as it would have helped the decision seem a little less out of the blue.

#20: Author: JayB, Location: SE England

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:33 am
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Slightly frivolously, I think any job where the rewards lie more in doing the job itself than in the paycheque could be described as a vocation. I've heard teaching, for example, described as a vocation. (Not recently.)

Posy Fossil could be said to have a vocation for ballet, in that she would do it regardless of whether she was paid for it, and wouldn't be happy doing anything else. Genuine vocations can make people selfish as they pursue them to the exclusion of all else - Robin was worried that she was being selfish in pursuing her vocation, wasn't she.

More seriously, I think Tom Gay had a genuine vocation, which is convincingly described by EBD.

#21: Author: Jennie, Location: Cambridgeshire

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:47 pm
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Yes, teaching is supposed ot be a vocation, but teachers are also supposed to be professionals.

I remember once telling a shopkeeper that I was poorly paid for the work I did. He replied that I didn't need a lot of money as I was a teacher and had a vocation. So I told him that I wanted a new wheelbarrow and asked him how big a slice of my vocation he wanted, to pay for it.

#22: Author: Lesley, Location: Allhallows, Kent

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:06 pm
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Jennie wrote:

I remember once telling a shopkeeper that I was poorly paid for the work I did. He replied that I didn't need a lot of money as I was a teacher and had a vocation. So I told him that I wanted a new wheelbarrow and asked him how big a slice of my vocation he wanted, to pay for it.

Love it!

What was his reply, Jennie?

#23: Author: Fiona Mc, Location: Bendigo, Australia

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:50 pm
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Jennie wrote:

Yes, teaching is supposed ot be a vocation, but teachers are also supposed to be professionals.

I remember once telling a shopkeeper that I was poorly paid for the work I did. He replied that I didn't need a lot of money as I was a teacher and had a vocation. So I told him that I wanted a new wheelbarrow and asked him how big a slice of my vocation he wanted, to pay for it.

Did it work cos I'd love to use that for nursing especially as we're considered 'angels of mercy'

#24: Author: Fiona Mc, Location: Bendigo, Australia

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:54 pm
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JayB wrote:

Slightly frivolously, I think any job where the rewards lie more in doing the job itself than in the paycheque could be described as a vocation. I've heard teaching, for example, described as a vocation. (Not recently.)

Posy Fossil could be said to have a vocation for ballet, in that she would do it regardless of whether she was paid for it, and wouldn't be happy doing anything else. Genuine vocations can make people selfish as they pursue them to the exclusion of all else - Robin was worried that she was being selfish in pursuing her vocation, wasn't she.

More seriously, I think Tom Gay had a genuine vocation, which is convincingly described by EBD.

You could say that about Joey with her writing. She did it because she wanted to but isn't a vocation used more with people who help others or make a sacrifice.

And in regard to Robin how is it selfish being a Nun except for the fact people wouldn't see her again

#25: Author: JayB, Location: SE England

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:39 pm
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You could say that about Joey with her writing. She did it because she wanted to but isn't a vocation used more with people who help others or make a sacrifice.

I think there's a difference between Joey writing because she wants to and people such as Posy Fossil or Nina Rutherford who have a burning need to do something. Joey herself notes the difference when she says something to the effect that Nina is a genius, whereas she herself is just talented.

I think people such as Nina and Posy do make sacrifices - except of course that they don't see them as such. But they have to put in many hours of practice and travelling, living out of a suitcase a lot of the time, in Posy's case there's the possibility of injury to worry about. But they play and dance regardless because that's what they feel driven to do and they wouldn't be happy if they couldn't do it.

One could argue that people who have a vocation to teach or nurse are doing something more beneficial to society than a pianist or a dancer, but I think an artist may feel just as strong a calling as a nurse or a nun.

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And in regard to Robin how is it selfish being a Nun except for the fact people wouldn't see her again

That was Robin's concern - as well as the issue of her health. From Joey Goes:

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I’ve wanted it for years – far longer than I ever told anyone before. Only for such ages it didn’t seem as if it could be, there’s been so much bother about my health and so on. And then I knew how you and Madge always liked to have me around. I did try settlement work, but you know what happened. I thought then that it was all to be no good. And then everything cleared up with a bang – just like that – and I knew I couldn’t refuse any longer.”
“So that’s why you went in for that all hot and strong!” Jo exclaimed. “If only I’d known! Rob, we love having you with us. You know that, don’t you? But if you felt the Call, then you’d no right to try and put us first. And after all,” she added, “it hasn’t done any good so far as that’s concerned for you’re going in the end. Quite right, too. Couldn’t you trust us?”
Robin flushed. “Of course I could! Only – well, there seemed so much against it. Now I know I was only imagining things. I’ve had to give up in the end. You see, Jo – and Jack, too,” she went on, looking from one to the other, “you people have all been so endlessly good to me, ever since I first came to the Chalet School. That’s nearly twenty years ago. I did wonder if I owed it to you to – to stay out. But it was a losing fight. I just had to give in.

#26: Author: Tor, Location: London

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:42 pm
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And then I knew how you and Madge always liked to have me around. I did try settlement work, but you know what happened. I thought then that it was all to be no good. And then everything cleared up with a bang – just like that – and I knew I couldn’t refuse any longer.”
“So that’s why you went in for that all hot and strong!” Jo exclaimed. “If only I’d known! Rob, we love having you with us. You know that, don’t you? But if you felt the Call, then you’d no right to try and put us first. And after all,” she adde “it hasn’t done any good so far as that’s concerned for you’re going in the end. Quite right, too. Couldn’t you trust us?”

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I did wonder if I owed it to you to – to stay out. But it was a losing fight. I just had to give in.

With respect to the selfishness aspect, being able to call something a vocation, to a peer group who also sanction the same idea of vocation, seems to me the only way to avoid the selfishness aspect. Robin believes it isn't a 'choice', per se, and thankfully for her, her family agree. As she hasn't actively decided to become a nun, it kind of means no one can blame for not coming home at christmas, and doing her share of e.g. looking after joey in the future when she becomes old and infirm etc etc!!

If she decided instead that, oh, her vocation was to research space travel and attempt a manned space flight , to the extent she had to abandon her family, they might not have taken so kindly to it.

#27: Author: JayB, Location: SE England

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:08 pm
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Robin wasn't needed at home, Madge and Jo just 'liked to have her around'. I wonder how Joey et al would have reacted if a young woman who really was needed - maybe had an invalid parent/motherless young siblings/was family's principal breadwinner - left home to follow a religious vocation? Would a young woman be accepted into a religious community in those circumstances?

#28: Author: abbeybufo, Location: Romsey, Hampshire - UK

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:43 pm
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EJO deals with this in Patience and Her Problems - Patience wants to train as a doctor and be a missionary; instead she has to stay and look after her grandmother - and she knows she has to put 'Gran' first; she had brought her up, she couldn't leave her to 'paid help'. But she also feels this very strong call to be a missionary doctor, and knows it is 'right' - so she has difficulty understanding why she is getting the vocation when she is unable practically to follow it - her grandmother's health deteriorates so much that she has to leave London, so Patience has to withdraw from her medical course. I won't give you the spoiler/ending - but it isn't the easy way out - nor does 'Gran' die [which some might say is also an 'easy' way out... Shocked

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#29: Author: Jennie, Location: Cambridgeshire

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:52 pm
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The shopkeeper's response was - 'Oh, I'd never thought of it in that way.'

#30: Author: claire, Location: South Wales

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:19 pm
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Although not all medical people have a vocation to do it, some do. I liked the idea of becoming a midwife when younger (no way would I have called it a vocation at that point just a 'sounds like a nice job') then at some point it kind of took over and there was this voice in my head that just wouldn't shut up until I did something about it.

And it feels RIGHT - so kind of a vocation I guess

#31: Re: Vocations Author: Mrs Redboots, Location: London, UK

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:22 pm
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Alex wrote:

And there's a man in my choir training to be a priest, and a non-Catholic in the choir asked me and another of my friends what made him decide to become a priest and we both immediately said that he didn't decide, God decided, which seemed to flummox her rather.

Yes - for me, becoming a local preacher was a response to a call, but how do you explain that to people who don't share your faith? I remember saying, "You don't tend to choose these things, they choose you!" and feeling it was a bit of an unsatisfactory way of putting it!

#32: Author: Pat, Location: Doncaster

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:34 pm
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My husband is a local preacher, and fought against it for ages. However, he kept getting into situations where he had to take a service, or there wouldn't have been one - we were in the RAF at the time - and in the end he gave in. He still says it's the last thing he's have chosen to do!!!

#33: Author: Kate, Location: Ireland

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:43 pm
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Sometimes I feel like teaching is a vocation for me ... sometimes I feel like I made a very wrong decision. Usually the latter is during the teaching practice and the former is in my regular job, as a special needs teacher! Thankfully teaching practice is recognised by all as being utterly horrible and unrealistic and Real Teaching is much more to my taste!

#34: Author: Dreaming Marianne, Location: Second star to the right

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:26 pm
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[quote="Lesley"]I always used to wonder about Malory Towers Mary Lou and her vocation for nursing - never felt I had one! Laughing

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I'm so glad someone else remembered that bit! I'm a nurse too and certainly don't feel it to be a vocation. It's more than a job, but not a vocation.

#35: Author: PaulineS, Location: West Midlands

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:20 pm
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When Malory Towers was writen nursing was seen as a vocation. In the nineteen fifties and sixties nursing moved to become more professional and the vocational aspect decreased. I certainly entered nursing seeing as a vocation, but that was in 1966, and when I retire in March I am leaving a profession.

The need to fulfil a vocation, the pull it has and the reoccuring nature of the call to do something is something I can recognise in other aspects of life as well.

#36: Author: Mrs Redboots, Location: London, UK

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:04 pm
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I'm quite sure that my sister has a vocation to teach - she has simply never in her whole life considered any other career path for herself, and even now, with a b-and-b/small hotel to run and two children (admittedly now both at primary school) she still teaches part-time.

Not that she would call it such, or probably even consider it as such, but to an outsider, such as me, it definitely appears as something she was called to do!

#37: Author: Shander, Location: the wilds of PEI

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:32 pm
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I think that there are many things that can be considered a vocation. For me, and vocation or calling is when God is asking you to do something. And when God asks, you can't say no. It is that need to do something, and the knowledge that you won't be happy doing anything else. I'm in the process of become protestant clergy, and the general consensus among myself and my classmates is that very few of us would have gone into it if it wasn't for a calling. The pay is low, the hours lously, and living as the priest in a small community is like living in a fish bowl. I would have much rather been a guide in a museum. But, the call came and there it is. I had to do it.

#38: Author: macyrose, Location: Great White North (Canada)

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:45 am
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I don't know if anyone else here has read Karen and With Love From Karen by Marie Killilea. They're the true story of Karen Killilea who was born with cerebral palsy in the 1940s when not much was known about the condition. Anyway, in WLFK Karen's older sister Marie, who's in college, tells her mother that she feels her vocation in life is marriage and that she could best prepare for it by staying home and learning budgeting, marketing, cooking and having experience with a baby (her little sister). She does leave college and marries soon afterwards.
Marriage as a vocation is also mentioned in Around the Year with the Trapp Family by Maria Augusta Trapp (of Sound of Music fame). She talks about the threefold vocations - to the married life, to the priesthood and to the unmarried life, and how important it was for her children to find out the one in which God wants them to spend their lives. When reading about vocations, I've read of marriage being considered a vocation only in these two books. Both of these were written by Catholic authors. Is it only Catholics who consider marriage as a vocation or do other religions as well?

#39: Author: JackieP, Location: Kingston upon Hull

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:45 pm
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macyrose wrote:

Is it only Catholics who consider marriage as a vocation or do other religions as well?

TBH - I've never really thought about it - but it may be that in Catholicism marriage is considered as a vocation more because you have to make the choice. A married Catholic cannot be a priest (a deacon, yes, but not a priest), whereas it's less rigid in other denominations (which is why my friend Ol is celebrating two different major Sacraments within a year - he married New Years Eve and will be ordained Priest in May.)

JackieP

#40: Author: Clare, Location: Liverpool

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:28 pm
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When I'm teaching vocation I always define it as "a calling to live a praticular way of life or do a particular job." So it can apply to marriage, single life, or Holy Orders; and the pupils usually define the jobs as those which involve service to others.

I often refer to the first Spider-man film - Peter Parker becomes Spider-man but not through choice. He uses his powers to help himself, but then realises he has a gift to use to help others. However he has to make a sacrifice - leave his family behind and obey his calling; or put himself first. Very powerful modern example of how vocation causes a person to sacrifice aspects of their lives.

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