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One of the most horrible terms she uses on a couple of occasions is 'scutters,' as in "off they scuttered across the ice". I would consider this pretty vulgar in sound even allowing for ignorance of modern meaning. Yuck!!

went off to consult the Urban Dictionary on-line and discovered meanings of which I knew nothing. Being of an older generation (or maybe just naive!

) I still quite innocently use words that seem to mean other things not so innocent today. :roll:

I've just looked it up and i've never heard of most of those meanings. I'd forgotten the hoovers in Red Dwarf until I read that definition.

Okay, to my mind, scutter can be used as a noun as a synonym for 'palaver' or 'hassle'. Example could be: 'I didn't want to sort the recycling because it's an awful scutter.' I'm not sure if that's Scottish?

Well 'screw' must have changed its meaning again, because I was doing a lesson on crime with year 10 and we got onto the lad who killed Rhys Jones; one of the kids said "If I was a screw in there, I would..." (petered out because he realised he had my rapt attention). So is it now slang for prisoner? :dontknow:

Gosh - I never even knew there was an 'online urban dictionary' and had definitely never heard of those definitions.

I too dislike like the way words change and you're meant to automatically know the new meaning!

For example, my name (Helen) is listed as "an intense fear of bananas"

Nightwing wrote:

For example, my name (Helen) is listed as "an intense fear of bananas"

Okay, so how many people just looked themselves up?

I have four pages of definitions.

A stupid Man Stealer who will stop at nothing to get what she wants...instead of being called a slut you will be called a Katherine, she is a goody-two-shu's to some but a slut to some people most of these Katherine's have love in there lives if that's what you want to call it there abunch of stupid blonds who need to get a life and stop being such RAYMOND stealers mhm.
Your Such a Katherine!

A teacher who surfs naked

A beautiful, hott, sexy girl. One who thinks she is not pretty but is the most gorgeous person ive ever seen. she will one day end up with all she ever dreamed of, because she didnt take advantage of what she had when she was younger.

simone sindrome 4 up, 5 down
sicknes in wich you become a insane black monkey
simone sindrome is is contagious there arte reports of sickens in olympian high

The most edible female name
Rachel is sooo edible - especially with cream

Someone who hates human contact so much, if they are touched, they explode.
Billy don't touch her! She's a Rachel!

I think I should forget I ever mentioned this dictionary.

Liane isn't defined (big surprise) but Leanne is either a princess, a prostitute, a loner or a term for menstruation! :shock:

A quiet, intelligent but senseless woman. A woman who has a high rating of common sense but is uneducated. Lyanne can be used to describe both, the ditsy girl with good grades or the street smart girl failing everything.

Author:	Sunglass [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:13 pm ]
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Why is it that the term 'screw' ('salary' or 'wages'), which is presumably slang, is never rebuked (as far as I can see) in the CS books? In Wins the Trick, in which slang is mercilessly ticked off throughout - and in which Joey, incredibly, calls Mary-Lou on her bad English the day after she gets back from her stepfather's funeral and while she is bravely talking about having to give up her career! - Audrey Everett and Joan Baker both use it without anyone (or the narrator) objecting. I'm pretty sure adult characters (possibly mistresses?) also use it in other books, and it sounds far slangier (and more 'unladylike', even without the modern sexual meaning!) than lots of the other slang terms that are commonly punished. Is this just EBD being inconsistent, or is 'screw' meaning salary somehow not slang? (I've never encountered it used in this sense anywhere else, but the older meaning of prison warder goes back to the 19thc, and I think another meaning - being cheated or done out of something - is also quite old, so I find it hard to imagine it's not slang...) EBD can be inconsistent about slang, I think, especially when it comes to writing adults - or maybe it's sometimes that's she's trying too hard to write a particular character's speech as racy and amusing. I find this particularly with the adult Joey at times. There's a moment in Joey and Co in Tirol when she's talking seriously with Roger Richardson about his future, and doing her Gentle and Womanly Wise thing, when in the same breath she both refers unselfconsciously to her husband as 'the doctor' and says 'Better bag Jack and have a natter' which to me is a jarring shift of register between Terribly Respectable and slangily Down With the Kids. It's as though EBD needs to remind us that even when Joey is being motherly and responsible and the Wife of the Head Doctor to yet another adoptee, she's still a breezy schoolgirl at heart...?

Author:	Jennie [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:40 pm ]
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The only consistent thing about EBD's use of language is her inconsistency, in my opinion. She'll inveigh against slang, and all her new girls are warned about it, even if they use the word 'Marvellous' correctly, as in something to marvel at, such as one's first sight of the Alps in all their glory, then use what we now consider to be slang/mild obscenity. It's as if she considered her books to be parly instructional books in that she believed that girls should read correct English, but then slips up and uses a lower verbal register in an apparent effort to keep her readership involved by using what she considers to be contemporary usage.

Author:	MJKB [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:21 pm ]
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One of the most horrible terms she uses on a couple of occasions is 'scutters,' as in "off they scuttered across the ice". I would consider this pretty vulgar in sound even allowing for ignorance of modern meaning. Yuck!!

Author:	MaryR [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:48 pm ]
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MJKB wrote: One of the most horrible terms she uses on a couple of occasions is 'scutters,' as in "off they scuttered across the ice". I would consider this pretty vulgar in sound even allowing for ignorance of modern meaning. Yuck!! to scutter = To move with a clattering, scurrying sound (according to most dictionaries) I have to admit to using it myself, and was horrified to read your words, MJKB, and immediately went off to consult the Urban Dictionary on-line and discovered meanings of which I knew nothing. Being of an older generation (or maybe just naive! ) I still quite innocently use words that seem to mean other things not so innocent today.

Author:	Pat [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:35 pm ]
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I had no idea that there was any other meaning either. I'm not inclined to learn any other either to be honest.

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Author:	Sugar [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:23 pm ]
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MaryR wrote: went off to consult the Urban Dictionary on-line and discovered meanings of which I knew nothing. Being of an older generation (or maybe just naive! ) I still quite innocently use words that seem to mean other things not so innocent today. Don't think it's age thing Mary. I had no idea either til I looked it up and I'm definitely not one of the older generation I certainly have never heard it being used in the context any of the myriad of definitions that I found listed on line. I really dislike the way words change their meanings then everyone is meant to know straight away what it means and use the modern definition. I asked my mum if she knew what screw meant before it meant a quicky down an alley. My mum being the women who uses the old definition of slut (ie untidy women) She said that a screw was a good earner and that it got attached to the prostitution trade as obviously they were discussing their "good screws" as those men who paid well and that's how it got accepted into modern useage as "a quick bonk"

Author:	MJKB [ Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:41 am ]
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Oh my gosh! I just looked up the urban dictionary and I never heard of the first two meanings at all! I've only heard it used in the third sense. or I would not have brought it up.

Author:	JS [ Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:06 pm ]
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Okay, to my mind, scutter can be used as a noun as a synonym for 'palaver' or 'hassle'. Example could be: 'I didn't want to sort the recycling because it's an awful scutter.' I'm not sure if that's Scottish? I haven't heard of it in any of the 'nastier' or sexual contexts, although I think it's quite onomatopoeic for a spider crossing the floor, in a harder sounding variant of 'scuttle'. Fascinated to hear about the origin of a good screw too! Edited to say I also like the term 'scuttlebutt' for gossip, which I came across only in recent years. Might be connected?

Author:	Cat C [ Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:24 pm ]
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I'm not an 'older' tye either, and haven't yet looked up scutter in the urban dictionary. I always took it to be a variation of 'skitter' - but maybe a more, um, clattery version? Etymology of screw is interesting, though

Author:	JB [ Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:57 pm ]
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I've just looked it up and i've never heard of most of those meanings. I'd forgotten the hoovers in Red Dwarf until I read that definition. At 40, I don't think I'm the older generation .....

Author:	Cat C [ Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:14 pm ]
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Quote: I've just looked it up and i've never heard of most of those meanings. I'd forgotten the hoovers in Red Dwarf until I read that definition. Tee hee! That was the only one I had heard of! I'm even younger than 40, btw, and often in the company of undergraduates - maybe they're very polite ones, or moderate their language around me?

Author:	Ariel [ Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:28 pm ]
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JS wrote: Okay, to my mind, scutter can be used as a noun as a synonym for 'palaver' or 'hassle'. Example could be: 'I didn't want to sort the recycling because it's an awful scutter.' I'm not sure if that's Scottish? Yep, that's the context I know "scutter" (family are Scots). As for definitions 1 and 2 in the Urban Dictionary, I would have said the word is "skitters". It's what my family would say, anyway.

Author:	Jools [ Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:17 pm ]
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Gosh - I never even knew there was an 'online urban dictionary' and had definitely never heard of those definitions. I too dislike like the way words change and you're meant to automatically know the new meaning!

Author:	James [ Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:53 pm ]
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I didn't know the other meanings of scutter either... I'm starting to realise why so many kids are giving me weird looks when I DON'T yell at them for saying certain stuff!!

Author:	Tor [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:52 pm ]
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hilarious! after putting in mine, and wading through all the 'most beautiful' bits, and some rather rude bits, I got (for Tori) The act of not returning phone calls or text messages. which is scarily accurate

Author:	tiffinata [ Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:46 am ]
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*Waves hand in the air having just looked oneself up! Andrea means womanly, tower of strength, cool, salad eating, 'making out on a hospital gurney' or at the very worst a 'shrimpy smelling vagina'! Boy, I think I'd have to be a tower of strength to ignore such embaressing meanings!

Author:	Clare [ Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:46 pm ]
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Clare is - "An extremely pasty white person." I was banned from wearing a white wedding dress by the shop keeper, as I was too pale so I can only agree with this! Was perturbed to find the names of ex-boyfriends amongst the definitions "usually hooks up with a Michael" and "is turned on by Matt" However, I do like this definition; as I think it sums me up (minus the beautiful bit) "A beautiful, kind hearted, yet firey soul.On the whole this foxy cat is a gem but woe betide the person who does not fold the tent correctly or pack the boot correctly."

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Author:	Clare [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:15 pm ]
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Well 'screw' must have changed its meaning again, because I was doing a lesson on crime with year 10 and we got onto the lad who killed Rhys Jones; one of the kids said "If I was a screw in there, I would..." (petered out because he realised he had my rapt attention). So is it now slang for prisoner?

Author:	Chelsea [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:17 pm ]
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Clare wrote: Well 'screw' must have changed its meaning again, because I was doing a lesson on crime with year 10 and we got onto the lad who killed Rhys Jones; one of the kids said "If I was a screw in there, I would..." (petered out because he realised he had my rapt attention). So is it now slang for prisoner? I would assume he was saying "If I was a guard in there..." since screw=guard has been around for a while (and is even used in Lesley's RCS series).

Author:	Lesley [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:00 pm ]
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Yes, screw is a well-known slang term for prison officer - and to my knowledge is still in use today.

Author:	Nightwing [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:40 pm ]
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Jools wrote: Gosh - I never even knew there was an 'online urban dictionary' and had definitely never heard of those definitions. I too dislike like the way words change and you're meant to automatically know the new meaning! I wouldn't pay too much attention to the urban dictionary, to be honest - a lot of the slang on it is intensely regional, and I strongly suspect some of it is actually just made up. For example, my name (Helen) is listed as "an intense fear of bananas"

Author:	Chelsea [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:38 pm ]
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Nightwing wrote: For example, my name (Helen) is listed as "an intense fear of bananas" Okay, so how many people just looked themselves up? I have four pages of definitions.

Author:	andi [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:38 pm ]
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On the subject of CS slang, can anyone explain why saying something was 'marvellous' was frowned on, but calling it 'miraculous' was OK? Or did they never use that one when the staff could hear?

Author:	Lulie [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:46 pm ]
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Chelsea wrote: Nightwing wrote: For example, my name (Helen) is listed as "an intense fear of bananas" Okay, so how many people just looked themselves up? I have four pages of definitions. Guilty! Using my real name I am "Anna The name for the most awesome person ever, It is impossible to fit so much awesome into any other person. You think you're as awesome as Anna? Well you can't be because Anna is so amazingly awesome" Sounds about right to me However, reading past the wonderful meanings I then came across "The female result of a Catholic priest having babies." I think my Dad has something to tell me about his past career, don't you??

Author:	Kate [ Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:03 pm ]
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I got "A girl's name for the coolest person you will ever meet."

Author:	Katherine [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:04 am ]
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Definition 4 amused me somewhat: Quote: A stupid Man Stealer who will stop at nothing to get what she wants...instead of being called a slut you will be called a Katherine, she is a goody-two-shu's to some but a slut to some people most of these Katherine's have love in there lives if that's what you want to call it there abunch of stupid blonds who need to get a life and stop being such RAYMOND stealers mhm. Your Such a Katherine! What would EBD say about the spelling? It's play spot the howler time. Then there's the classic Quote: A teacher who surfs naked Great game.

Author:	claire [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:22 am ]
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the problem with marvellous was just that the girls used it for everything rather than varying their expressions, so were banned from using it to get some new vocabulary

Author:	Alison H [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:38 am ]
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Quote: A beautiful, hott, sexy girl. One who thinks she is not pretty but is the most gorgeous person ive ever seen. she will one day end up with all she ever dreamed of, because she didnt take advantage of what she had when she was younger. Shame about the appalling spelling and the lack of punctuation, but I love that definition!!

Author:	Simone [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:58 am ]
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Quote: simone sindrome 4 up, 5 down sicknes in wich you become a insane black monkey simone sindrome is is contagious there arte reports of sickens in olympian high

Author:	Cumbrian Rachel [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:49 pm ]
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Quote: The most edible female name Rachel is sooo edible - especially with cream or Quote: Someone who hates human contact so much, if they are touched, they explode. Billy don't touch her! She's a Rachel! amongst a whole load of other definitions....

Author:	MaryR [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:16 pm ]
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I think I should forget I ever mentioned this dictionary.

Author:	Catherine [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:33 pm ]
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Apparently Catherine is a cosmopolitan mama with no babies ... The other meanings aren't postable on here ...

Author:	judithR [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:32 pm ]
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MaryR wrote: I think I should forget I ever mentioned this dictionary. Nanny won't let us have access!

Author:	Liane [ Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:47 am ]
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Liane isn't defined (big surprise) but Leanne is either a princess, a prostitute, a loner or a term for menstruation!

Author:	MJKB [ Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:01 pm ]
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I think it was just because they kept using the adjective 'marvellous' ad nausium. When Len was ticked off for this she and the rest of the form looked up alternatives and 'miraculous' was one of them.

Author:	andi [ Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:16 pm ]
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The marvellous/miraculous thing bugs me because I always got the impression that a lot of the banned slang - smashing, beastly etc - was banned because it was an inappropriate use of the word. I'm not explaining this very well, but there's a bit in Joey and Co (I think) where Ruey tells Joey she has a 'smashing' voice and Joey says v. sarcastically that she would hate to think of her voice being destructive -i.e taking the literal meaning of 'smashing'. And there can't be many times when the word 'miraculous' is literally appropriate, so how do they get away with using it?

Author:	Josette [ Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:31 pm ]
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It puzzles me a bit in Barbara when EBD says that "wizard" is allowed but "smashing" is "definitely not"! Why is wizard - as an adjective - not slangy?