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#1: Did Joey know what she was really asking for Author: Karry, Location: Stoke on Trent PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:16 pm
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I am just watching a programme called "Quads and Quints" about multiple births! The problems these women go through to produce viable quads andquins is amazing! EBD really shows that she doesnot know about bearing children! Most women are on total bed rest from about 26 weeks!
#2:  Author: Róisín, Location: Ireland PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:27 pm
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I think Joey was VERY practised at bed-rest Laughing

But yes. I find it hard to believe that her triplet and twins births were easy or anything like painless. Why would she want to go through something even worse? Besides the fact that Jack couldn't support any more children financially.

I suppose it is motherly competition - the more fertile she is the more successful a wife she is - but what a lot she went through to win that race. Confused
#3:  Author: Loryat,  PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:31 pm
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I am pretty sure Joey was only joking about the quads. Apart from anything else, quads had a low survival rate for most of the time she was coming out with that joke (I think) and she (and EBD) would I think have known that. She comes out with the quads threat once near the end of the series when more is made of the financial difficulties of such a big family, as well. I don't think it was ever serious.
#4:  Author: Jennie, Location: Cambridgeshire PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:22 pm
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I don't think EBd had any idea about pregnancy and childbirth. Given the number of women she disposes of in childbirth and in the perinatal period, just so she can have problem girls at the CS, she claerly didn't know that the fifth and eighth deliveries are the most dangerous, and the average woman wouldn't just be able to pop them out the way Jo does. And, if it's so easy for her, why does she need all that time in bed? It's then, lying around after giving birth, that brings on the dangerous things such as white leg.
#5:  Author: Róisín, Location: Ireland PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:17 pm
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Jennie wrote:
...she claerly didn't know that the fifth and eighth deliveries are the most dangerous... white leg.


Golly why the fifth and eighth? And at the risk of putting myself off pregnancy for life... what is white leg? Shocked
#6:  Author: Saffronya, Location: Oxford, England but hail from Glasgow, Scotland PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:36 pm
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Is white leg DVT? That would cause white legs I would imagine! My impression of Joey and Jack's financial situation was always (granted this is in the main supported by recent readings of 'CS goes to it'), but that Jack inherited a fair whack from family. His brother got Maids the property but I think they say Jack got a bit to. Hmm, too late for a re reading tonight...
I have to say I don't think EDB knew much about the risks either. Or else half her characters would have been dead in childbirth. I doubt ( although not for certain) that they knew much about pre-eclampsia and all the other woes more likely with multiple births ( I stand free to be corrected if I have gotten my facts wrong lol)
#7:  Author: Sugar, Location: second star to the right! PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:19 pm
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My great granny had a lot of multiple births including 2 sets of Trips (1908/1919) Why is it 5th and 8th? My g-grans children who were 5th and 8th lived to be very old women (98 and still going at 94)

I don't think she had weeks of bed rest!!! But then EBD puts her characters in a different social class and that alters the situation if you can be waited on and pampered or whether you just get on and do. That doesn't matter if its 1908 or 2008!
I think its hard to say how much EBD knew about childbirth she was a spinister and not meant to know.
#8:  Author: Fiona Mc, Location: Bendigo, Australia PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:18 am
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My mum had twelve children and three sets of twins in that. She was always disgustingly healthy throughout and never had any probablems delivering except the second twin in the last two deliveries were breech but she said labour for her always lasted about four hours and that was it total! But she never had any problems throughout either pregnancy or delivery because of the pregnancy.
About Joey resting my mother has always been adanament that mothers should rest after a birth namely because their body has had a fairly nasty shock and needs rest. That's not to say they can't walk or should stay in bed all day but that they need help and support because their whole life has been turned upside down. (Not that she had any help like that and just get on with things, but she has insisted on helping both my sisters after they've had babies for that reason)
#9:  Author: Loryat,  PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:32 am
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In books I've read in that period middle/upper class women always seem to be trapped in bed for ages. They aren't allowed up on any circumstances. But the working class women have the baby and are pretty much back at work/housewifing the next day, and the authors seem fine with that. Clearly working class women are more hardy!
#10:  Author: Róisín, Location: Ireland PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:40 am
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I've often wondered how Marie Pfeiffen managed to have upwards of three or four children, while still in service to Madge. How much time did Madge give her off? Where did she convalesce (ok I can't spell that word)? I bet EBD probably thought Marie had the typical, peasant constitution that was strong as an ox, whereas Madge was more delicate etc etc. Not that she deals with it anyway.
#11:  Author: Mrs Redboots, Location: London, UK PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:11 pm
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Jennie wrote:
And, if it's so easy for her, why does she need all that time in bed? It's then, lying around after giving birth, that brings on the dangerous things such as white leg.


Until about the mid-1960s, if not later, illness of any kind, including childbirth (not that it's an illness, but you know what I mean!) involved loads of bed-rest. It wasn't until then that it was discovered that people actually did better if up and about.

Certainly when I had a minor ailment as a child, I was kept in bed until at least 24 hours after my temperature had gone down, and then "up, but at home" for another 24 hours before returning to school. And when I had my tonsils out, in the late 1950s, I was in bed in the nursing-home for four days, and then sent straight to bed when I got home, not allowed to get up for at least another fortnight.

Jem and Jack and their real-life contemporaries would have been utterly horrified at the modern concept of "day surgery". But then, they'd have been horrified at the lack of systems that have led to MRSA and similar bugs.
#12:  Author: Lesley, Location: Allhallows, Kent PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:15 pm
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The reason for the change, however, was when the incidence of deep vein thrombosis and, more seriously, the complication pulmonary embolus were mapped - all that bed rest killed.


Of course we now manage it with MRSA etc so swings and roundabouts! Rolling Eyes
#13:  Author: Lisa_T, Location: Belfast PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:44 pm
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And re childbirth there was the whole idea of 'confinement' which I think lasted from a few weeks before the EDD to some six weeks post partum.

And I agree that by the end of the series it was mostly a joke. By prefects Joey is in her early forties- not a good age for childbearing even now, and even less so then. Then again, you have Madge having Kevin and Kester at 40 plus so... *shrugs* There's a hint of possibly one more child in either Althea or Prefects- Althea, I think- and if the series had continued perhaps Joey would have ended up with her full dozen. Who knows!
#14:  Author: Pado, Location: Connecticut, USA PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:31 pm
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I've never tried putting in a link before, so I hope this works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ayHcA_n7VY

Last edited by Pado on Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:06 am; edited 2 times in total
#15:  Author: KB, Location: Melbourne, Australia PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:39 pm
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Pado wrote:
I've never tried putting in a link before, so I hope this works.
[/url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ayHcA_n7VY[url][/url]


Leave out the part I coloured in red and it would work.
#16:  Author: LizB, Location: Oxon, England PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:54 am
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KB wrote:
Pado wrote:
I've never tried putting in a link before, so I hope this works.
[/url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ayHcA_n7VY[url][/url]


Leave out the part I coloured in red and it would work.


Also leave out the / in the [/url] at the beginning.
#17:  Author: Pado, Location: Connecticut, USA PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:07 am
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I think I finally got it - thanks LizB! (I'm not sure the video is worth all this attention, though!)
#18:  Author: Hannah-Lou, Location: Glasgow PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:05 pm
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Shocked I'd have to have them in different coloured baby-grows, or I'd be terrified of getting them muddled up. Imagine growing up and spending all your life not being you, just because someone muddled you when you were a baby (though if no-one knew, would it matter? It's just a weird thought Confused ).
#19:  Author: Alison H, Location: Manchester PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:36 pm
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I remember seeing something on TV last year about a couple who had all-female baby quads and had labelled them - seemed very sensible to me Laughing !
#20:  Author: Rosie, Location: Land of Three-Quarters Sky PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:24 pm
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Please tell me 'labelled' actually involved permanent marker to prevent mix-ups whilst in the bath...
#21:  Author: Loryat,  PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:28 pm
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Oh that video is lovely! I want a baby now! Though I did feel a bit sorry for the one that was rolling about on its on! (In CS world that baby would become the 'independent' quad). Can't believe she dressed them in matching babygrows though. I wouldn't have the guts either.
#22:  Author: Dawn, Location: Leeds, West Yorks PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:09 pm
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I was reading about people who had identical twins and kept the hospital name bracelets on until they were sure they could identify which was which.

Looking back at the photos of our boys - who we always thought looked so different even as babies - I do struggle with the odd very early photo as to which one it is Embarassed

And I'm sure I read in the TAMBA (twins and multi births) that one couple are still not sure if the right child has the right name as they got a bit confused when they came out of hospital (not surprisingly really with the complete exhaustion you have with 2 or more small babies around)
#23:  Author: francesn, Location: away with the faeries PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:27 pm
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That always made me wonder - before hospital bracelets how did people know which identical twin was which?
#24:  Author: claire, Location: South Wales PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:32 pm
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Marked on the cot (and hope people put them in the right cot) - although what we still do now is put two cord clamps on the second twin - lasts until the cord falls off, they may have done something similar - two pieces of string, rather than one
#25:  Author: Dawn, Location: Leeds, West Yorks PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:54 pm
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And even identical twins often weigh different amounts, so that would give you a bit of a guide when picking them up
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