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#1: All for a different hairstyle Author: Fiona Mc, Location: Bendigo, Australia PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:53 am
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I was skimming through Joey and Co in Tirol and noticed Len had to ask for permission to change her hairstyle. That seemed a bit odd and backward as all she did was change from a pigtail to a ponytail. I could understand getting a haircut because presumably Joey would be paying for it but was this normal in the fifties to ask for permission to wear your hair a different way? And Joey certainly didn't come accross as being particularly understanding about it. It was Len's hair. Anyway what do people think?
#2:  Author: cara, Location: barnsley PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:07 am
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I remmber somethng similar in ? Mary-Lou, when she changes from Kenwigsis to one plait an Vi-Lucy changes from " 2 curly tails" to one, she also said she may try a pony tail, to which the reply was something like - I wait and pick up what left when Matey finishes.
What was wrong with pony-tails?
#3:  Author: Alison H, Location: Manchester PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:34 am
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I think that some hairstyles were seen as being "fast", but I can't imagine what was wrong with a pony tail Rolling Eyes .

They do seem rather obsessed with asking permission regarding their hair - Ted (aged 15) was told that she couldn't have her hair cut short without her mother's permission.
#4:  Author: Ray, Location: Bristol, England PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:41 am
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Well - as Joey points out in the book! - the problem with a pony tail, especially for someone with hair as long as Len's, is the tangle it can get into.

Though, quite why a pigtail *wouldn't* get into that mess is a little beyond me...

More seriously, though, I think that there must have been some sort of difference in placement/way the hair was put up that we've since lost - to me, any hair completely tied back at the back of the head is a pony tail, but I'm guessing that wasn't always the case!

Ray *who is somewhat folically challenged*
#5:  Author: LizzieC, Location: Canterbury, UK PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:41 am
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No wonder some took it into their own hands! Laughing
#6:  Author: Loryat,  PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:43 am
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I think when they're talking about pony tails they mean what we'd call a high pony (or some people would anyway, not me personally). This probably was seen as a bit slutty and Joan Bakerish. That's the only was I can explain it anyway! I've always liked that Len's the one asking for it - normally she's so good. I imagine her at Oxford letting it down in a pony tail and going sucks to you.
#7:  Author: Dawn, Location: Leeds, West Yorks PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:19 am
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I always have a mental image of the pony tail being really high up on your head and that leads to 1950's images that are most definitely NOT Cs ones. Tight trousers and tops and make up and chewing gum (Grease springs to mind too).

So if that was the image of it at the time, I can see why Jo wasn't too enthusiastic for Len to move in that direction. Laughing
#8:  Author: jennifer, Location: Taiwan PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:40 am
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And I think that when she shows up back at school she is told in no uncertain terms to get rid of it.

Any idea where hair in two waist length plaits/putting it up at 18 fit into the spectrum in the same time period? I'd guess it would be pretty old fashioned by the late 50s let alone 60s.
#9:  Author: alicat, Location: Wiltshire PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:19 pm
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Pony tails (tied at crown of head) as distinct from horse's tails (tied at nape of neck) came into fashion in the late 50s as part of the new youth culture which raised its head then.

they were definitly seen as being 'fast' for several reasons, all to do with sex: they exposed the nape of the neck, which is still seen in many cultures as part of a woman's body which should be kept decently covered; because they bob as you walk they emphasise the swing of your hips - definitly something no nice girl would do!!!! and they also draw general attention to you, again not something a 'nice'girl would do

as for putting hair up, this lasted well into the 60s in some schools. it was seen as a sign of being in the sixth form.
#10:  Author: Han, Location: Wondering what to do with herself PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:26 pm
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Maybe, from a practical rather than historical viewpoint, there was a concern that a range of hairstyles might mean girls took ages deciding what to do with their hair in the mornings rather than just fastening it as quickly and neatly as possible.

Also, if wearing a high pony tail, hats could be a bit of a bother.
#11:  Author: Mel, Location: UP NORTH PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:25 pm
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You are right about the hats. I had a high pony tail at school which turned my school hat pear-shaped. It was a 60s pop culture thing. Parental permission for cutting hair I can understand, but in the CS world the parents do have the last word in hair styles. After Mary-Lou's new style some of the girls write home for permission to grow their hair. Madge is the one that tells Jo to grow her hair. I think it's another occasion when EBD is harking back to her Victorian childhood.
#12:  Author: Kathy_S, Location: midwestern US PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:41 pm
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I agree with the perception that a high, "swishy" pony tail would have been considered "fast," while a pony tail tied at the nape of the neck was OK. See, for example, the character (and pony tail) of Dulcie, the Joan Baker of the Beany Malone series. Yes, this perception changed over time, until it became something worn by people who were more concerned with practicality than style, but EBD didn't write long enough to see this.

Pigtails are braided, and therefore get much less tangled. At least that's the nomenclature I grew up with!
*wears a pigtail, but calls it a braid when pretending to be grown up*
#13:  Author: Róisín, Location: Ireland PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:26 pm
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Han wrote:
Maybe, from a practical rather than historical viewpoint, there was a concern that a range of hairstyles might mean girls took ages deciding what to do with their hair in the mornings rather than just fastening it as quickly and neatly as possible.

Also, if wearing a high pony tail, hats could be a bit of a bother.


Yes, this makes sense in terms of Matey's point of view. If you want to have a fairly complicated hairstyle (that would be *any* up style for me then Laughing ) and you want to have it done quickly and efficently in the mornings, then doing it regularly ie everyday would be how you achieve both things. Practise makes perfect.
#14:  Author: RoseCloke, Location: Camping in my housemate's room. Don't ask. PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:10 pm
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I think it must be something to do with that era. My maternal grandmother was born in 1910-ish and she insisted that my mother kept her hair in a braid long enough to sit on (pigtails until she was in sixth form) until she left school (this would be in the late sixties/early seventies). Upon which my mother promptly hacked it all off and hasn't had it below her ears since Shocked

Having said that though, my mother wouldn't let me wear my hair how I wanted it - even in high school. If it was long it had to be in a low ponytail/bun and if short it was held back with slides. Loose hair was a definite 'no'. I think it's a combination of the tidy factor and the 'loose woman' factor.
#15:  Author: Clare, Location: Liverpool PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:38 pm
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Rose, my mum was acting like that in the 90s! I had to wear my hair in two plaits until I was 13, and then I asked if I could wear a pony tail. She never let me get it cut - until I went out and did it aged 18 1/2 (14th June 2001 - right after my last A Level).
#16:  Author: arky72, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:46 pm
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To me, pig tails are two bunches of hair, not plaited. When my hair is long enough I would rather wear it like this than in one bunch as my hair gets less tangled and is easier to comb afterwards.

It isn't long enough to put up though at the moment!
#17:  Author: Kathy_S, Location: midwestern US PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:52 pm
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arky72 wrote:
To me, pig tails are two bunches of hair, not plaited.

I'd then describe you as wearing your hair in two pony tails. Smile
Two braids would be pigtails. At least I know my perception isn't purely American, since in Arthur Ransome pigtails are worn by both Dot (2) and various Chinese persons (1). (Since he drew the illustrations himself -- or with the help of Nancy Blackett -- it's easier to be sure what he meant by "pigtail.")

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#18:  Author: Róisín, Location: Ireland PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:55 pm
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I always thought that pigtails were called pigtails because they resembled pigs tails! As in the youngest Brady girl in the Brady Bunch.
#19:  Author: Lottie, Location: Humphrey's Corner PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:05 pm
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Like Kathy, I would always regard a pigtail as plaited. I would describe what arky prefers as bunches - like Robin in the picture at the top of the screen. Very Happy
#20:  Author: Squirrel, Location: St-Andrews or Dunfermline PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:13 pm
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Hmmmm - I'm not sure what I thought of as pigtails - probably just another name for bunches, which was what I used to know them as. Put your hair in bunches or in a pony-tail!
#21:  Author: RoseCloke, Location: Camping in my housemate's room. Don't ask. PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:21 pm
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Lol - Claire this was in the 90's! You're actually 4 years older than me Laughing

I've also always thought of bunches as two pony tails and pigtails as two plaits. Has anyone else seen that scene in 'Matilda' where the Trunchbull grabs Amanda by her pigtails, spins her around and lets go? (I have read the book too Embarassed ) I'd have hated to be in that school Smile
#22:  Author: Kathy_S, Location: midwestern US PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:36 pm
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Hmm, bunches would be sort of like a sticking-out pony tail, but involving only part of one's hair. A good example would be the Pebbles Flintstone look, though it's also possible to have more than one "bunch." It's still a pony tail if it's all your hair except for bangs/fringe, but if side or back hair are left out on purpose, and the tied/elasticed part sticks out rather than lying flat, it becomes a bunch.
#23:  Author: Kate, Location: Ireland PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:43 pm
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My six year old cousin isn't allowed to wear her hair loose in school because of a combination of tidiness and her mum not wanting her to get headlice. *shudders* When I see the way the little girls in school are always messing with their loose hair I wish we could instigate the same sort of rule. The idea of headlice really freaks me out - and as a teacher it's probably inevitable from time to time. *shudders again*

Headlice at the Chalet School, anyone? *tosses plot bunnies out*
#24:  Author: RoseCloke, Location: Camping in my housemate's room. Don't ask. PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:53 pm
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Ack, headlice! I can imagine exactly what Matey would have to say on the subject... Laughing

My sister recently looked after a young disabled girl as part of her charity work (her sixth form has a heavy emphasis on it) and the girl was *crawling* with them. Apparently her mother either hadn't spotted them, or had and didn't care. Of course my sister, having just got to the age where my mum can't tell her what to do with her hair, had it both long and loose... I spent most of last week combing through her hair and cursing the child's mother.

Kate, you're right - that's a fantastic plot bunny Very Happy I hope someone takes it...
#25:  Author: Chris, Location: Nottingham PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:02 pm
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As the mother of 3 children, I can tell you that headlice are extremely widespread in primary school, mainly 5 - 8 age range. After that they don't seem to get them so much. I have spent hours and hours combing through my kids hair (and occasionally my own), and the worst one was my son whose hair was very short, but extremely thick! It only takes one child in a class whose parents don't care/don't bother and the little creatures just go round and round! Btw, they prefer clean hair, and although not nice to deal with, there isn't quite so much social stigma these days - at least, not amongst the parents with children of that age!
#26:  Author: Kate, Location: Ireland PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:04 pm
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I'm teaching 6 year olds right now... erlack. I must tie my own hair back!
#27:  Author: Róisín, Location: Ireland PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:09 pm
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Do they not like ponytails? How does tying your hair back stop you getting them? /curious but fascinated in a disgusted kind of way Laughing
#28:  Author: Kate, Location: Ireland PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:12 pm
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Well, you're just less likely to catch them if your hair isn't all over the place, touching other people's clothes and so on.
#29:  Author: Lexi, Location: Liverpool PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:12 pm
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Ewww, headlice *shudders*

If the hair is separated and fastened into two sections, either below the ear or at the side of the head, then I call that bunches. Pigtails are the same thing but plaited.

When I say my hair is in a pony tail it's just tied at the back of my head with some sort of bobble, can be high or low.
#30:  Author: MaryR, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:18 pm
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Nope, pigtails were definitely plaits at that time. I had very short ones at Junior School on the early fifties - my hair just wouldn't grow below my shoulders. Rolling Eyes Hair just put up either side without plaiting was known as *bunches* then.
#31:  Author: Tamzin, Location: Edinburgh PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:50 pm
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Róisín wrote:
Han wrote:
Maybe, from a practical rather than historical viewpoint, there was a concern that a range of hairstyles might mean girls took ages deciding what to do with their hair in the mornings rather than just fastening it as quickly and neatly as possible.

Also, if wearing a high pony tail, hats could be a bit of a bother.


Yes, this makes sense in terms of Matey's point of view. If you want to have a fairly complicated hairstyle (that would be *any* up style for me then Laughing ) and you want to have it done quickly and efficently in the mornings, then doing it regularly ie everyday would be how you achieve both things. Practise makes perfect.


Agree totally about the practice thing. I have waist length, very thick hair which I wear in a french plait because an ordinary one doesn't balance the proportions of my head and makes my chin look huge (I think). Anyway people always say to me that it must take ages to do my hair in the morning but it actually takes me 2 minutes to put in the French plait now that I've been doing it so long.
#32:  Author: JayB, Location: SE England PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:55 pm
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Mel wrote:
After Mary-Lou's new style some of the girls write home for permission to grow their hair.

I don't see why they needed to. I could understand it if Matey regularly took them to Interlaken to have their hair cut, but we never hear of that. And unless a girl's hair was kept very short, it wouldn't need cutting in termtime anyway. Why couldn't they just wait until the holidays?

At my grammar school in the '60s, we were supposed to tie our hair back if it reached our shoulders. I think the idea was just that it looked tidier. But there are also health and hygiene issues in science and cookery if you have hair all over the place, and it gets into a mess in games.
#33:  Author: Kate, Location: Ireland PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:57 pm
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Tamzin wrote:
Agree totally about the practice thing. I have waist length, very thick hair which I wear in a french plait because an ordinary one doesn't balance the proportions of my head and makes my chin look huge (I think). Anyway people always say to me that it must take ages to do my hair in the morning but it actually takes me 2 minutes to put in the French plait now that I've been doing it so long.

I'd love to be able to do a French plait! *jealous*
#34:  Author: Tamzin, Location: Edinburgh PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:06 pm
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Kate wrote:
Tamzin wrote:
Agree totally about the practice thing. I have waist length, very thick hair which I wear in a french plait because an ordinary one doesn't balance the proportions of my head and makes my chin look huge (I think). Anyway people always say to me that it must take ages to do my hair in the morning but it actually takes me 2 minutes to put in the French plait now that I've been doing it so long.

I'd love to be able to do a French plait! *jealous*


I couldn't do it for years but I just sat down one evening and kept doing one over and over again until I'd got it looking more or less presentable. And I have improved with practice. It would look better if I had someone else to do it for me of course but it does just fine for everyday. Actually I'm going to a posh hairdresser next Saturday to get a cut and highlights for my brother's wedding and I'm terrified. My hair has not had anything done to it for years apart from me sporadically hacking away at the fringe and the split ends. I've no idea what is fashionable or what would suit me. I have an awful lot of hair but the strands are very fine so it tend to flop out of any attempt to do an elaborate style. In my mis-spent youth we all wanted "spikes" on our fringes but mine would just flop down unless it was at crewcut length because it was so soft even with copious amounts of gel and hairspray.

Any ideas of a suitable CS style I could adopt? I always wondered what EBD meant by hair "clubbed" on the person's head. Could anyone enlighten me?
#35:  Author: Róisín, Location: Ireland PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:10 pm
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I think clubbed means when you make a plait down your back, then double it up and secure the end at the base of your neck so that the hair is in a loop. Does that make sense?
#36:  Author: Tamzin, Location: Edinburgh PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:29 pm
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Róisín wrote:
I think clubbed means when you make a plait down your back, then double it up and secure the end at the base of your neck so that the hair is in a loop. Does that make sense?


Ah - I understand now. That's the sort of style my hair would slither out of in next to no time. dontknow
#37:  Author: Lexi, Location: Liverpool PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:03 pm
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Kate wrote:
I'd love to be able to do a French plait! *jealous*


I learnt to do them by plaiting horse's tails Laughing I haven't worked out how to do them on myself yet, it hurts my arms.

I have quite long hair but I tend to favour either clipping the two front pieces back so it's slightly off my face or twisting the whole thing up into a spiky bun kind of thing.
#38:  Author: Rosie, Location: Land of Three-Quarters Sky PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:14 pm
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I learned to plait up ponies before I could do my own hair too!
#39:  Author: Tamzin, Location: Edinburgh PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:26 pm
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Lexi wrote:
Kate wrote:
I'd love to be able to do a French plait! *jealous*


I learnt to do them by plaiting horse's tails Laughing I haven't worked out how to do them on myself yet, it hurts my arms.

I have quite long hair but I tend to favour either clipping the two front pieces back so it's slightly off my face or twisting the whole thing up into a spiky bun kind of thing.


Yes - it's exactly the same as plaiting a horse's tail. I find my arms are OK if I get the plait right first time. On the occasions when my hair is being a curmudgeon and refusing to separate properly out into sections then my arms hurt like billy-oh!
#40:  Author: Liane, Location: Manchester PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:59 pm
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I can french plait my own hair but not someone elses, it goes all wonky and funny looking.
#41:  Author: Lisa_T, Location: Belfast PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:16 am
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I can't French plait period, which is odd since I can mess around with hair quite well otherwise. Not on myself, though- mine is almost invariably twisted up in true CS style. Not that it's so very long- at the moment a bit past shoulder length, but it manages to be fine, frizzy and far too plentiful. *shudders* Someone please invent a hair transplant. I'll be the first in the queue.

Re pig tails and pony tails, like others pig tails meant two tails of hair (which now I come to think of it- it's a bit odd, since pigs only have one tail!) and a pony tail one. I assumed the fuss in Tirol was because Len wanted to go from wearing her hair in either one or two braids to wearing it in a loose pony tail- which for her hair length would easily be messy not to mention dangerous when climbing. Could get tangled in trees and whatnot.
#42:  Author: Fiona Mc, Location: Bendigo, Australia PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:01 am
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I can French plait and tend to do my sisters hair a lot when I was a kid. I guess the other thing to remember is that there was no such thing as conditioner back then so getting rid of tangles was a lot harder.
The other thing though if Len is always described as being sensible and responsible I don't know why Joey was so weird about its not like she was going to change her hairstyle and then turn all rebellous on them
#43:  Author: Squirrel, Location: St-Andrews or Dunfermline PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:56 am
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I have different rules with my hair for different things. *if* I'm helping out at breakfast club (I usually *don't* deal with breakfast itself) I put my hair up - as long as I remember. If I'm going to SU group in the same school, I tend to forget. At Crusaders and the rainbows I usually forget as well, though as breakfast club is now on the same day as rainbows is I've often got it up there as well - if I don't take it down after BC!

You know, thinking about it - if someone talked about having their hair in a pig tail, I'd have thought of a pony-tail - cause they were talking of it in the singular. It's just if they wre talking of it in plural that I'd think of it in the way of bunches. And possibly it *was* meant to mean plaits, but I so rarely had this that I might not have connected the two of them. Or I'd simply talk about having my hair plaited - after all, that automatically means held back by a bobble or two!

And maybe I shall spend some of my time somepoint seeing how well I can french-plait my hair! I've done other things to it, and I know roughly what to do...
#44:  Author: claire, Location: South Wales PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:20 am
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I always thought pigtails was if you had shortish curly hair, if I do my 6 year old's hair in what on the 5 year old would be bunches, for her it is definate pigtails - they are little and curly, like a pigs tail (though tend to put them towards the bck of her head rather than above the ears)
#45:  Author: Squirrel, Location: St-Andrews or Dunfermline PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:25 pm
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Of course, when you remember the normal length of hair at the time EBD was writing (or what she would like us to believe the normal length of hair was!) you can understand it - references to hair that fell down to your hips for example! You would *have* to have it tied back to keep it from getting everywhere - I know how much of a nusance my hair can be on a windy day, and it comes to about half way down my back - or possibly a bit shorter - where it is longest. If it was hip-length...
#46:  Author: Caroline, Location: Manchester PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:59 pm
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The other thing is that when you only wash your hair every few weeks it probably is a bit easier to plait and more likely to stay put in a plait than it is when you wash it every day...
#47:  Author: Squirrel, Location: St-Andrews or Dunfermline PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:10 pm
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And you wouldn't notice the grease as much - nor might it need washed so often for other reasons. So there would be less reason to wash your hair daily.
#48:  Author: Mrs Redboots, Location: London, UK PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:19 pm
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For me, "pigtails" were two plaits, and a "plait" was just one. And if you tied your hair with more than one elastic (the word "scrunchie" had yet to be coined, nor yet the thing invented; at most, you had plastic beads on an elastic band), it was called "bunches".

Girls whose hair was long enough (and in that "flower power" era, most of us wore our hair as long and as straight as it would go) used often to wear it in two bunches so that it hung down in front of their shoulders; this was not a look I cared for, as all too many girls looked exactly like basset hounds!

My mother, at school during the war years, wore her hair very long until she was about 14, and, EBD to the contrary, she put it up a lot of the time - usually plaiting it and putting the plaits round her head.

My hair is short now; if it gets longer than I like, I put it up with a Stylee comb, especially for skating. But last time I did that, my husband told me it made me look older! Grrrr.
#49:  Author: LizzieC, Location: Canterbury, UK PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:31 pm
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Mrs Redboots wrote:
My hair is short now; if it gets longer than I like, I put it up with a Stylee comb, especially for skating. But last time I did that, my husband told me it made me look older! Grrrr.


Those Stylee's look very like the African Butterfly I use in my hair. If they work the same way they are a great relief - so much more comfortable than hairbands because the weight and pressure is more evenly distributed. Take some getting the hang of though!
#50:  Author: Lizzie, Location: A little village on the Essex/Suffolk border PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:27 pm
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My sister and I found this site last summer when we were trying to figure out how to do herringbone plaits, and actually became quite frightened by some of the hairstyles. They are amazing, don't get me wrong, but my first reaction on seeing some of them was fear...
#51:  Author: Karry, Location: Stoke on Trent PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:10 pm
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Shocked The nine strand braid!!!!!!! I can just about a basic three strand french braid!
#52:  Author: Liane, Location: Manchester PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:28 pm
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I think someone may have posted that link before. Some of them are truly amazing!
#53:  Author: Han, Location: Wondering what to do with herself PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:08 pm
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Those African Butterfly combs look amazing. I really want one to play with but my hair's only shoulder length and I never do anything with it so would probably be a waste of money.
#54:  Author: Joyce, Location: Hong Kong PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:49 am
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Is it also because parets regard their child's appearance as a reflection on them? Even today, parents get comments about if their child decides to have a different appearance.

When my brother was a teenager he had shoulder length hair and my father who was an elder in the church had constant snide comments directed at him. At one point, a churchmember even said he should step down because he was a 'bad example as a parent'! And this was only about 15 years ago.

Maybe Joey thought Len's ponytail was 'fast'? Smile

To us hair is just hair, but Joey also grew up in a time when girls showed their progression to womanhood by putting their hair up.

Cheers,
Joyce
#55:  Author: Mrs Redboots, Location: London, UK PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:52 pm
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LizzieC wrote:
Those Stylee's look very like the African Butterfly I use in my hair. If they work the same way they are a great relief - so much more comfortable than hairbands because the weight and pressure is more evenly distributed. Take some getting the hang of though!


I think they probably do work the same way - but they are a lot cheaper than the African Butterflies I've seen on sale (and been very tempted by!) locally.
#56:  Author: Tiffany, Location: Is this a duck I see behind me? PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:30 pm
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I was just going to post a link to that site with amazing plaits. I spent ages learning to do an inverted French plait - where the plait stands out a bit from your head, if that makes sense - and was so proud of myself, til I saw that site full of amazingness!

My grandmother (born 1914ish) ticks me off for wearing my hair in two plaits, cos at my age it isn't dignified and I should have it up (though she also thinks I should have highlights and a layered flicky fringe. Hmmm). She does seem to think that parents / family should have the ultimate say in how one wears one's hair - so it seems reasonable in the 50s that Len and Co should have to ask for permission. Maybe Joey's (and EBD's) reactions were partyl against modernism - they wanted Len to stay young, and they wanted the world to saty as it was. Her growing up in a different way from the way they had grown up showed how the world was changing, growing away from them, and they didn't like it.

As an aside, I've always been surprised at Tamzin Grey (in the Monica Edwards books) who, aged about 13, starts wearing her long hair loose or tied loosely back, rather than plaited. Fair enough that she's trying to be modern and grown-up, but have you ever tried galloping a horse across a windy marsh with loose hair?
#57:  Author: Loryat,  PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:34 am
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Some of those hairstlyes actually freak me out, they're so weird.
#58:  Author: Hannah-Lou, Location: Glasgow PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:34 pm
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Tiffany wrote:
I was just going to post a link to that site with amazing plaits. I spent ages learning to do an inverted French plait - where the plait stands out a bit from your head, if that makes sense - and was so proud of myself, til I saw that site full of amazingness!


I found that sort of French plait easier to do than the other type, for some reason, though I can do both if occasion demands!
#59:  Author: Lisa A., Location: North Yorkshire PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:38 pm
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Goodness - I'd like to see the CS girls doing those styles in a hurry on a morning! Shocked
#60:  Author: Elle, Location: Peterborough PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:45 pm
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Lexi wrote:
Kate wrote:
I'd love to be able to do a French plait! *jealous*


I learnt to do them by plaiting horse's tails Laughing I haven't worked out how to do them on myself yet, it hurts my arms.




So did I! I don't think my hair is suitable for french plaits anymore as it is all layered. Sad

About the pony tail thing, I seem to remember my Mum once telling me that pony tails were not allowed at her Girls Grammer School in the 60s. I think I recall her saying that she would put her hair into a pony tail and then plait it.
#61:  Author: Squirrel, Location: St-Andrews or Dunfermline PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:14 pm
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Elle wrote:


About the pony tail thing, I seem to remember my Mum once telling me that pony tails were not allowed at her Girls Grammer School in the 60s. I think I recall her saying that she would put her hair into a pony tail and then plait it.


That sounds exactly like how my Mum used to plait my hair when I was younger. That's on the rare occasions my hair was plaited of course!

*mum was a teacher, I often left the house dressed but with my jacket undone, and a friends mother would then do it up for me!!!*
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