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I now want the movie shoot to have been by Leni Riefenstahl

What about Ciaran Hinds in a woolly jumper and binoculars for KB?

But everyone, we're leaving out the really important piece of casting, given the results of another thread - who will play the Divine Kester Bellever????

...and Rupert Everett far too gorgeous for Lindley Carrick!

Cosimo's Jackal wrote:
But everyone, we're leaving out the really important piece of casting, given the results of another thread - who will play the Divine Kester Bellever????

I can't see GGBP selling the rights, though; I'm not sure they'd want the stories tampered with, even by someone who loves the books.

I'm just imagining an Andrew Davies adaptation featuring Jack emerging from the Tiernsee in a wet shirt as he tries to suppress his thoughts about Joey ...

No, I can't see GGBP selling the rights either!

I notice you've left out the Robin, though :lol:

Dawn French as Frau Berlin? Perhaps as a recurring character?

Ideally you would need someone who could sing to play Joey; though my friend once texted me to say that Tina on Coronation Street was the image of Joey! And she's right! Can anyone recall her real life name?

Still no idea who could play Mary-Lou ...

i think we should drag julie andrews in somehow as well, not quite sure who as though but thats not the point clearly!

Author:	GotNerd [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:54 am ]
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After boring my family with a long-winded rant about the evils of modern T.V. (modern update of Sherlock Holmes.. ), I returned once more to a brilliant idea: the BBC should make a t.v. serial of the Chalet School, starting with School At! Provided they remained faithful to the books, I think this could work really well, especially if the adaptations finished before the end of the series. Maybe some of the later books could be smushed together a bit, with the more insufferable sections (motorboats? Reg?) cut out. Any thoughts? Who would you get to play Joey/Madge et al.?

Author:	Nightwing [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:27 am ]
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I think there's two possible ways of doing an adaptation - one would be a Saturday morning type show, which focuses on the girls and their various pranks, important lessons learnt, etc, which I think would be pretty true to the "school story" genre. The other would to be more focussed on the historical aspects of the earlier books - the poverty in the Tyrol after the Great War, the growing spirit of "Young Germany" and eventually the Anschluss and the events of Exile. I think to do it this way and to make it cohesive quite a lot of the story would have to be changed, though. I mean, it would be less about the wacky schoolgirls hijinks and more about the challenges faced by Madge, the locals would have to be more important to the story, etc. I don't know - I think it could work, but it wouldn't exactly be pure CS

Author:	Cel [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:33 am ]
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I could see the Tyrol books working well as a sort of mini-series, from Madge, Joey and Grizel first setting out for the Tiernsee up to the escape from Austria (and maybe finishing with Jack and Joey's wedding?). I don't know that a straightforward serial with one-episode-per-book would work as well, especially with the later books.

Author:	julieanne1811 [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:28 pm ]
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In my misguided youth I would often wish this - that a film/programme would be made of my favourite book/s. But time has given me some experience of what happens, and the problem is that the book that lives in your head is your alone. No-one else shares it and even if you could explain it to someone else, their understanding of your explanation would still be skewed by their own understanding and it would be very difficult for them to reprduce what you have in your head. The solution to this of course is for you to be the one who makes the film. However, in doing this everyone else would be alientated because their minds see the book differently. And for some reason film-makers simply cannot resist tampering with the original (don't let me start on Prince Caspian ... oh, all right then. Since you've twisted my arm: they took part of the book that was mentioned (king wanted to kill nephew) and introduced scenes that weren't there at the expense of scenes that were - so there were no scenes of Aslan going around putting right all the things that the bad king had imposed on his subjects. Instead we had the king's men shooting the nephew in his bed with cross-bows, the odd resurection of the White Witch and Edmund being seduced by her ... such a pity). Anyway. Back OT - yes. It would be messed with. Again, the only solution to this is for you to be the one to produce the film. All that said, I would ab - sol - lute - ly love it! Perhaps someone on this site is a very rich film-maker. Perhaps they would like to do this. And perhaps they would like to set up a consultancy made up on members of this board to ensure the greatest accuracy possible ... if that's the case, may I offer my services? Interested to hear what people think about who should play who, too ...

Author:	Catrin [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:28 pm ]
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It could work well in the same way as the Sweet Valley series did - that was a long-running series of Saturday morning programmes. I don't think it would work as a film though.

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Author:	Mona [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:39 pm ]
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I'd like to see it, although I'd probably focus on the earlier books, up to the end of the war, perhaps. I'd definitely omit the later Swiss books! Casting thoughts - here is where I drift into total fantasy and assume that everyone is the appropriate age for the role. Madge - Helena Bonham Carter Dick - Hugh Grant Joey - Carey Mulligan Hilda - Helen Mirren Bill - Sigourney Weaver Simone - Audrey Tautou Jem - Nigel Havers Jack - Colin Firth and featuring Rupert Everett as the dastardly Lindley Carrick.

Author:	abbeybufo [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:42 pm ]
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Gemma Arterton as the grown-up Robin - but not sure who could do her as a child ...

Author:	Mel [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:03 pm ]
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It might work as a long-running up-market soap then everything would be included such as the Swiss years. If it was very long-running, the characters/actors could age naturally.

Author:	sealpuppy [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:22 pm ]
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Agree it would be good as a long running soap. My choice for Joey would be Jemima Rooper. OK she's not tall but she's attractive in a slightly unorthodox way; and she was great in Lost in Austen. I quite like James Wilby for Jem. Quietly goodlooking in a very English way, but with a nicely authoritative touch when required. But I think Hugh Grant is wasted on Dick and Rupert Everett far too gorgeous for Lindley Carrick! Hmm, this will require some serious thought...

Author:	ChubbyMonkey [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:30 pm ]
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Alan Rickman for Jem! He just has that air of turning up and rushing all the women home for a long, hot bath before being bundled into bed. For some reason I think that Nicole Kidman would make a good Rosalie Dene - no idea why, though! Helena Bonham Carter should be Biddy if she's going to be anyone. I have no idea who would play Joey, though!

Author:	Alison H [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:43 pm ]
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I think Jemima Rooper would be great as Joey, and a younger Helen Mirren would be perfect as Hilda. Colin Firth is much too good-looking to be Jack . Maybe Kenneth Branagh? I agree that Hugh Grant in his usual persona of floppy-haired, slightly dopey upper-crust Englishman would be good as Dick, though. Dougray Scott or Clive Owen as Jem? Sean Bean as Reg, or is he not sulky enough? Emilia Fox as Frieda? No idea who could play Mary-Lou . Sadly, TV would probably murder the series by missing out a lot of the best bits and shoving a load of ridiculous extra bits in .

Author:	sealpuppy [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:56 pm ]
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Noooo, not Sean Bean as Reg. Sean Bean is gorgeous. I nominate Jeff somebody who played Reg Hollis in The Bill. Weird and nerdy and used to being called Reg. Helen Mirren as Hilda is good, though I did wonder about Angela Thorne (Marjorie in To the Manor Born)? And Sigourney Weaver as Bill is a suggestion of genius! (And if Kenneth Branagh is going to be Jack, I'm definitely going to marry him - in my 'who would you be' persona.)

Author:	Alison H [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:05 pm ]
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Not sure about Angela Thorne, but Penelope Keith would be excellent as a much older Mary-Lou .

Author:	Tor [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:10 pm ]
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I would like it done as a sunday evening period drama, focusing (as Nightwing says) on the politics. I would make Madge and Joey's growth and romances the overriding story-arcs within it. I would basically condense the Tirol books, cut out a lot of the school stories and possibly completely mess-up the time line - i would definitely have Joey older at the start to make this feasible (though ideally I would split it into 2 series and a christmas special, with series one following the basic School at plot; the christmas special combining christmas in Innsbruck cosiness with winter adventures like the ice carnival and Joey falling through the ice... probably at the ice carnival!; series 2 would see Joey made head-girl, bring in Jack Maynard as Joey's love interest,and have the anschluss occuring). Not that I've thought about this at all, but: Series One. [The pitch: Strong minded, impoverished women sets out to make her fortune in a man's world by the only means available to her - opening a school. Around her, however, Europe is in political turmoil... A kind of House of Elliot meets Casualty 1908 meets Grange Hill ) Episode 1: the Bettanys hear the truth about their parents finances and are given notice to quit. Dick is off to India, and wants them to go with him. Madge, however, has other plans. Episode focuses on her in Taverton, persuading Mlle to go into business with her and getting Grizel promised as her first student. Then she also gets Rosalie and Mary (well, we've got to speed things up!). With enough capital procured, she present's Dick with the bombshell - she and Joey aren't going to India, but are going to Austria to open a school! Episode 2: Travelling to the Achensee and setting up the school. Maybe via Germany. Some scary moments with proto-Nazis one of whom could be Frau Berlin (!), perhaps, mixed up with Grizel's holy water incident in Innsbruck. I'd have Madge meet Jem on the train rather than poor Mr. whatshisname. In fact have the train crash and rescue here. At the Achensee, Madge meets the Mensches and the Maranis who want to move their family away from the cities as they don't like the way politics are developing. She signs up their daughters, and episode ends with her throwing open her doors on the opening day of the Chalet School Episode 3: Enter the Carricks....! The school is going well, Gisela is head girl, and Madge is confident it will be a success. Madge and Mlle attend a dance at the Kron Prinz Carl, where they look all lovely and innocent, and meet the darstardly Carricks. Jem is there too. Lindley Carrick is a smoothy, and dances with Madge (cue smoldering looks from Jem), and persuades her to take on Juliet, even though she is full. Jem walks them home and comes over all paternalistic, telling her not to trust the man. Madge is furious - it is her school, and none of his business! Episode 4: School-girl tricks enacted by naughty new-girl Juilet and abetted by Grizel. Joey goes with Gisela to get her watch fixed by Herr Goldman (who's daughter is at the school), and witnesses some anti-Semitic comments (not violence) in the shop. Gisela is very upset, and tells Joey about the the things she has overheard her father talking about. On the way home, they pass Mr and Mrs Carrick in their motor car heading away from the Tiernsee at high speed. They return to the school to find Juliet and Grizel in deep disgrace over their latest trick (breaking bounds to go for the movei shoot, or something). Joey mentions to Madge that she'd seen the Carricks on the road. Juliet overhears and turns pale. Grizel presses her to find out what is wrong. Episode ends with Juliet announcing that she is sure her parents have abandoned her. Episode 5: Madge is furious about the Carricks (mostly cos Jem was right). They are having kaffee at the Kron Prinz when the she is delivered a note the Carricks have left for her. Jem actually says 'I told you so', and Madge storms off. She is met by a frightened Juliet, and Madge's anger turns to protectiveness. She and Mlle agree that they'll just have to find a way to manage as they can't turn her out. Madge reports the matter to the police, but has a bad experience with them. Shades of encroaching Nazi sympathies arising again... Juliet, Joey and Grizel have a huge argument as Grizel wants them all to sneak off to climb the Tiernjoch, and accuses the rest of being goody-goodies. Random local girls are pulled out of the school by their parents, as they are unhappy that the school accepts Jewish girls (Herr Goldman's daughter). As the episode ends, Joey isn't talking to Grizel, Madge isn't talking to Jem, and Madge is worried about the school's financial situation if more parent's follow suit. It's all a bit bleak. Episode 6: Grizel starts another series of pranks, but is really miffed that Joey and Juliet wont join in. So she plays a few tricks directly on them. Joey and Grizel have another blazing row following one of these; Madge arrives in the middle of it and orders them to apologise to each other immediately. When they both refuse, she sends them to the san to sit in isolation until they calms down. Grizle decides to climb the Tiernjoch. Joey realizes what she has done, and goes after her. Fog comes down, etc etc etc. Jem and other swarthy mountain men rescue them. But Joey is at deaths door. Madge is distraught. Jem comforts her. She forgives him. They kiss. Joey awakes at this exact moment. The police arrive, and make a few meaningful remarks about Herr Goldman's daughter, but they are actually there to inform Juliet about her father's death. Juliet is distraught. Jem looks at Madge. Madge looks at Jem. They smile, and Madge says something cheesy like 'you will always find a home with me' (Jem: 'with us'). Big fat tiernsee wedding. The end. Gosh this is embarrassing. I can't believe I've written all this

Author:	Cosimo's Jackal [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:16 pm ]
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Tor, are you sure you are in the final stages of a doctorate, rather than a secret screenwriter? That works really well! The Nazification makes it all a lot less potentially saccharine and more pitchable - I now want the movie shoot to have been by Leni Riefenstahl, though! And could we link that somehow to Grizel taking up off the Tiernjoch - shots of Heroic Schoolgirl Tackling Mountain, or something? But everyone, we're leaving out the really important piece of casting, given the results of another thread - who will play the Divine Kester Bellever???? I'd suggest poaching Sean Bean for him, but the Bellever Beard is important and I've always thought SB with a beard isn't such a beautiful look. What about Ciaran Hinds in a woolly jumper and binoculars for KB? (And then I could play Annis Lovell myself... ) I've always vaguely seen a young Ewan McGregor as Reg - probably with an unbelievably ropey Yorkshire accent. And Bruno Ganz as any of the older Austrian men, because he's a genius - he might be good as Herr Anserl. And Mark Rylance with a tan as Lindley Carrick. A young Dervla Kirwan as Biddy O'Ryan? And a young Chloe Sevigny as Cornelia - she has the right chin and fairness.

Author:	cestina [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:20 pm ]
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I voted "Bad idea" after thinking for less than a nano-second. For all the reasons that Julieanne said. And then I saw Mona's cast list which nearly had me hurling my laptop across the room and knew that I had made the right decision! There is no way that anyone else's conception of the characters in something that is as close to my heart as the CS series can ever come even near to how I see them. It feels a bit like saying to me "Who should play your son and daughter in a TV series?" They should of course....... I can cast Georgette Heyer books with ease. They sit in a completely different part of my brain. But the CS characters - never. And I think this thread is bad for my blood pressure so I shall say no more PS Kenneth Branagh - always - but as Jem.

Author:	Tor [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:23 pm ]
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Quote: I now want the movie shoot to have been by Leni Riefenstahl ooh! Yes! Good idea! Quote: What about Ciaran Hinds in a woolly jumper and binoculars for KB? mmmmmmmm!!!!

Author:	Mona [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:29 pm ]
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Cosimo's Jackal wrote: But everyone, we're leaving out the really important piece of casting, given the results of another thread - who will play the Divine Kester Bellever???? Jeff Goldblum. He's the go-to guy for slightly quirky scientist types with beards (and sometimes glasses. Not good looking, but very sexy. (IMO, of course) sealpuppy wrote: ...and Rupert Everett far too gorgeous for Lindley Carrick! That's exactly why I picked him, dastardly cads are always gorgeous!

Author:	ammonite [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:45 pm ]
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Quote: Cosimo's Jackal wrote: But everyone, we're leaving out the really important piece of casting, given the results of another thread - who will play the Divine Kester Bellever???? I imagine him as a kind of Ben Fogle - shame he isn't an actor. but on the whole I don't think it would make a good TV series. Reading about people's different interpretations of characters is all very well but watching? Plus you would either find th price of books would go sky high or we would get a nice set of reprints really quickly...

Author:	Llywela [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:48 pm ]
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What a question! My automatic response would be no way, for reasons already eloquently stated. My gut instinct is that no television/film adaptation of a novel can ever truly capture the spirit of the original, and that I would much prefer to stick with the version in my head than see what a scriptwriter, whoever got cast and various network demands would make of it. And on the surface of it, I can't see the books making a terribly good TV series (certainly not the series as a whole, given that it spans three decades! No actor would commit to that). But then when I stop to think about it, I can come up with a long list of television adaptations that I have loved, which instead of destroying a much-loved book have rather brought it faithfully to life. And then I read Tor's breakdown of how that first season might pan out and fell in love with the concept. I want to see it now! As a Sunday evening drama along the lines of Larkrise to Candleford (annoyed though I currently am with how far that adaptation has strayed from the original source material). So...I'm in two minds.

Author:	Mel [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:57 pm ]
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Perhaps they would turn it into a musical, lots of running around in Austria, Nazis, escape across the mountains - oh no - they've done that.

Author:	Tor [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:06 pm ]
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to me, I think to do the books the best 'service' you'd have to sacrifice slavish commitment the plot, and instead ask what the core values and themes of the books were. I think those adaptations that are too literal can end up being a bit dull (as TV/Film is a different format), and wont engage new fans. And new fans, in my opinion, would be a good thing! That's why I'd mix it all up time-wise. The film Master & Commander is a good example of this approach. The writer read every single Patrick O'Brien book in the series, and crafted a new story out of pieces of each of them; he wanted to do on film what O'Brian managed on the page, and new it needed a tighter, simpler story to do that. I think it is an excellent film, and both a triumph and a tribute to O'Brian's series. One of my faves. Similarly, I liked that DWJ was quite open to the changes made to Howl's Moving Castle,. And the Last King of Scotland is another that is radically different on film, but works very well IMHO. I can't see GGBP selling the rights, though; I'm not sure they'd want the stories tampered with, even by someone who loves the books.

Author:	julieanne1811 [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:41 pm ]
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Ansolutely love your synopsis Tor - brilliant!!!! And I'd like Ben Fogel to play Jack, except I just can't see him doing the dosing - he's simply too gentlemanly and sweet ...

Author:	sealpuppy [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:49 pm ]
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I think Tor's synopsis is terrific and is actually pitchable. Bringing the Nazis in makes it much more exciting in an adult way. That theme could be sustained right through to the end of Goes to it, I should think, but I'm doubtful about going much farther. NB Ben Fogle is sweet but too short to play Jack. Trying to think of youngish, tallish, fairish actors and have come up with Laurence Fox and Rafe Spall. I think the latter is more likely. And I can't be doing with Kester B, beards are a definite no-no, as would be his little hut on an island!

Author:	Alison H [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:51 pm ]
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Tor wrote: I can't see GGBP selling the rights, though; I'm not sure they'd want the stories tampered with, even by someone who loves the books. I'm just imagining an Andrew Davies adaptation featuring Jack emerging from the Tiernsee in a wet shirt as he tries to suppress his thoughts about Joey ... No, I can't see GGBP selling the rights either!

Author:	julieanne1811 [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:04 pm ]
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It could be done more easily as a Radio 4 production. This would leave listeners free to fill in the gaps with their imaginations ... writing that I then thought about a straight read. I suppose with a production you'd have different actors for different characters, whereas a read would be with one person. So I think a production would be good. However, wouldn't it be brilliant to be able to set it in situ, using the real places? That's where radio would fail, of course.

Author:	Len [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:45 pm ]
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Tor, that's genius! I usually hate the way film-makers muck about with the stories of books when they adapt them, but the layout you just wrote makes real sense, even when it doesn't follow the books. The way you've taken the notable themes and brought them to the fore, and arranged events from the story to fit around and emphasise those themes, actually works as a valid interpretation of the story. If only it could really happen... EDIT: after posting this I saw that about a million people had posted something similar in the interim, so sorry for looking like a repetitive dullard - it was all sparklingly original when I wrote it

Author:	sealpuppy [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:49 pm ]
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Alison H wrote: I'm just imagining an Andrew Davies adaptation featuring Jack emerging from the Tiernsee in a wet shirt as he tries to suppress his thoughts about Joey ... No, I can't see GGBP selling the rights either! Ohhh, yesss. (pauses for a lie down). GGBP wouldn't be told all the details, surely? Tor's synopsis would work well and once the ink was dry on the contract, the Andrew Davis connection could be mentioned.

Author:	Nightwing [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:46 pm ]
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Tor, that is excellent, and just exactly the kind of thing I was thinking of. I couldn't work out how to fit the Juliet plotline into it, but you've done it brilliantly. I notice you've left out the Robin, though . I think she's a character that modern audiences would find pretty saccharine, though! Would you include her in season two? You could conflate her character with Biddy's - runaway child, and a firebrand who hates the Nazis and drags the rest of the school into trouble. And you could have Jo's fierce adoration of her being part of her (Jo's) struggle to accept Madge's marriage and grow up.

Author:	Cel [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:46 pm ]
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It's very funny to see how different our ideas of what the characters should look and sound like can be - I don't think I agree with any of the suggestions Except Helen Mirren, perhaps, and Jemima Rooper. I find it very hard to mentally cast the men. (Also shocked at how many people seem to find Alan Rickman attractive...)

Author:	Tor [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:57 pm ]
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Quote: I notice you've left out the Robin, though shame that Ok... maybe I'd bring her in in the christmas special, and make her a wee bit younger. That plus Joey being a bit older, it would work a bit better with her coming over all maternal-needing-to-create-extended-family now Madge and Jem are married! Perhaps Joey can fall through the ice saving Robin... and in a reversal of the real plot, Joey can sing Robin the Red Sarafan as Robin lies close to death, obviously taking on the surrogate mother role. Madge doesn't stop working after marriage in this version, but stays head. I might even do something really sacrilegious and have the San by the lake too to allow this! Series two... hmm if I was going to conflate characters I might bring in Elisaveta and make her a bit like Polly in being obsessed with being a 'real' school girl to add a bit of humour to leaven the nastiness. Plus I'd then have Veta on the escape from Austria, and make Cosimo something of a Nazi spy, rather than having the full kidnap story.

Author:	Catriona [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:13 pm ]
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Dawn French as Frau Berlin? Perhaps as a recurring character?

Author:	emma t [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:22 pm ]
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Tor, I acutally visulised it happeneing on screen as I read your synopsis! I know it's been discussed over the years in Friends of the Chalet School about the Chalet School being on screen I don't think GGBP would sell the rights either, as they had wanted them for a long time... I would love to see the Chalet School on screen, though!Maybe EBD did write all the adventures in a view that she would like to see them on the big screen? is it not every writer's dream to see their books thus? I know I my friend and I have written out various cast lists for who we would like to play for our characters in the seriel we've written (not published though!) - it's great fun. Ideally you would need someone who could sing to play Joey; though my friend once texted me to say that Tina on Coronation Street was the image of Joey! And she's right! Can anyone recall her real life name?

Author:	julieanne1811 [ Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:40 pm ]
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I've just looked in google images for a picture of Tina, emma t, and I have to say I disagree - she's too standardly attractive for me in that role ... Having said that I don't know most of the names people have mentioned so far - it's going to take some research on google to see what they all look like! I have obviously led a very sheltered life ..!