Rowena wrote: |
There's a book by Helen (thingy the Liverpool Miss author) about this type of thing, "Mourning Doves" |
Rowena wrote: |
There's a book by Helen (thingy the Liverpool Miss author) about this type of thing, "Mourning Doves"
The family actually had a second daughter with the specific intent of keeping her at home to look after her parents as they aged. The eldest daughter got to make her debut, was educated, and married off to a suitable man etc while the younger one got a basic education and nothing else. Helen (thing) does write a very depressing book, and looks at it very *harshly* but she definately implies that it was quite common for a daughter to be expected to give her own life up to her parents. |
Alison H wrote: | ||
Helen Forrester . |
Jennie wrote: |
I was always surprised that Blossom Willoughby was expected to go home to help out. her motherhad been a Head of department in a school before she married, her father was a barrister, and the frail young brother surely had enough care from his mother and nanny. From what I remember, they had a nanny, cook, maids and gardeners, so why on earth should she have been expected to spend her days at home? She was good at games, so ought to have gone to PE college, surely? |
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her motherhad been a Head of department in a school before she married, |
Alison H wrote: |
It'd be interesting to see how different some people's attitudes to work would have been if they hadn't known that they wouldn't have to earn their own livings. |
Jennie wrote: |
I was always surprised that Blossom Willoughby was expected to go home to help out... the frail young brother surely had enough care from his mother and nanny. From what I remember, they had a nanny, cook, maids and gardeners, so why on earth should she have been expected to spend her days at home? |
Kate wrote: |
I am not sure that I would like Blossom to support me in emotional need, she is not a very restful person. |
JayB wrote: |
If the house was a bit gloomy with everyone, and especially Rosamund, constantly worrying about Aubrey, she might lighten the atmosphere a bit. |
Tiffany wrote: | ||
I'm surprised Rosamund felt she needed support at the expense of her daughter's independence. Young Rosamund is very independent and capable, and understanding of others' needs. Why must all nice girls turn into nondescript or non-nice mothers? |
Tiffany wrote: | ||
I'm surprised Rosamund felt she needed support at the expense of her daughter's independence. Young Rosamund is very independent and capable, and understanding of others' needs. Why must all nice girls turn into nondescript or non-nice mothers? |
Alison H wrote: |
That annoys me too! IIRC Elfie tells Bride that it's her own decision, but she then says that her dad's said very little about it - he seems to be quite happy for her to pack in school and look after him, her 2 little brothers and the house at such a young age. |
Loryat wrote: |
What I find far more shocking is the way Elfie Woodward is expected at sixteen or something to go home and keep house for her father while she's still being educated. That made me mad. |
skye wrote: | ||
I don't remember exactly what year this book is set in, but the official school leaving age was probably either 14 or 15. so she had already completed at least one year and probably two more years of education than a girl in a state school. I think the leaving age was raised to 16 around 1975 or 1976, so long after EBD died. |
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‘Well, you see how it is,’ Elfie went on in a hard unnatural tone. ‘I don’t care if she was just my step-mother. I never knew my own and she’s been just like one to me. I can’t leave Dad and her two babies to just any old housekeeper. He’s all broken up and-and kind of dazed. And the boys keep on asking when she’s coming home. I can’t possibly leave them-you must see that.’ |
Loryat wrote: |
I suppose what it is that annoys me though is not the fact that Elfie is staying at home to grieve etc (if she did it would be perfectly natural) but that she's going to be 'keeping house', and also that it seems like it would last for two years.... If Elfie was just going to be at home for a term, it wouldn't bother me. It's the way she seems to be expecting to do it for the next couple of years which I mind. Though obviously, it's the selfless thing to do. |
JayB wrote: |
On re-reading the extract that Caroline posted, it begins to sound as if it might be all Elfie's idea. She does say that her father is in no state to make decisions. Elfie is a teenage girl in a highly emotional state - it's quite possible that she might have decided to dedicate her life to her family, in the way that some teenage girls go through a phase of wanting to be nuns - or they did when I was in my teens. Not me, I hasten to add. As soon as Mr Woodward is capable of making decisions, he makes other arrangements for his family and packs Elfie off back to school. Jay B. |
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He said - he said she'd left it awfully late and she must have an operation practically at once. Only she wasn't fit for it and they had her in hospital for about three weeks, trying to build her up. Then, a week past Sunday, they did operate. She died the next day.' |
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All her life, Elfie's one ambition had been to be a physical-training mistress. She was by no means a clever girl, but she had worked hard and steadily so as to be able to pass into either Chelsea or Bedford. She was a good all-rounder at games and her gymnastic work was excellent. In Guides she had proved that she could handle other girls and teach as well. In making her decision, Elfie was giving up everything for which she had slogged all her schooldays. At the same time, Bride realised dimly that Elfie, being what she was, could have done nothing else. |
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'He hasn't said much, but I know it's a great relief to him to know that I'll be at home. You see, Bride, though we have Florence who has been with us since my own mother and Dad were married, she's getting old and she does need someone to tell her what to do.' |
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'No; but Aunt Rosalie, it's all right for Mr Woodward and the boys, but what about Elfie herself? It's going to ruin her life.' 'Rubbish!' Rosalie retorted bracingly. 'It's going to do nothing of the kind. This is just until Peter is old enough for boarding-school. Mr Woodward told Miss Annersley when he wrote that it's only putting things off for a couple of years. Elfie won't be twenty by that time. It won't hurt her to wait.' 'But what about the exam? She'll forget all her work,' Bride argued. 'Oh, no, she won't. There are excellent night classes in Bristol and as soon as they can get things arranged, Elfie will attend them. She won't miss of anything.' 'But even if the boys are away at school, there'll be her father to look after.' 'Things will probably have straightened out by then. You must remember that it's not a fortnight yet since Mrs Woodward died. They haven't had time to see clear ahead. No, Bride; I'm sorry Elfie's last year at school has to go missing, but she'll do all the better when it does come to college. |
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