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#1: Most EBD-ismed? Author: meerium, Location: belfast, northern ireland

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:20 pm

I was just reading the thread about Josette's age in this forum, and I started wondering - I know EBD-ismed is an invention all of my very own, but is Josette the most EBD-ismed character? Who else runs her close?

Apologies if this has been asked before - I'm just intrigued!

#2: Author: Alison H, Location: Manchester

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:41 pm

Mollie Maynard has several different married surnames.

Mollie Bettany has several different maiden names.

Jem Russell has several different middle names.

Mr Carey (Verity's dad) has two different first names.

& that's just for starters Laughing

#3: Author: Tiffany, Location: madthesispanicargh

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:59 pm

Gay and Jacynth have a mixed-up timeline, from what I remember; don't they jump up several forms at once, then stay in the sixthform for about five years?

#4: Author: Róisín, Location: Gaillimh, Eire

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:06 pm

Eeep, what about Mlle LePattre, or however you want to spell it?! Laughing

Or the various husbands of past mistresses ie Miss Carthew, Miss Maynard.

#5: Author: Mrs Redboots, Location: London, UK

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:15 pm

Clem Barrass' father is either Adrian or Miles, depending on which book you read. I'm fairly sure that at least one character in the early books changes nationality, too, but can't think who.....

#6: Author: Guest,

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:16 pm

Róisín wrote:

Eeep, what about Mlle LePattre, or however you want to spell it?! Laughing

Or the various husbands of past mistresses ie Miss Carthew, Miss Maynard.

Which reminds me; is there any instance of two past mistresses or pupils being married to the "same" man? She doesn't have a huge stock of surnames...

#7: Author: LizB, Location: Oxon, England

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:18 pm

I believe at least two people (one not a pupil/staff) are married to Jock Mackenzie Very Happy

#8: Author: Alex, Location: Cambs, UK

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:33 pm

And I think it's Cornelia Flower who ages at the slowest rate.

#9: Author: jennifer, Location: Taiwan

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:49 pm

In addition to the aging problem and her birthdays, Josette's middle name changes from Margot to Mary. She had two different career plans listed in the same book (radiology and economics).

So I would say it's a tie between her and ....

Laurenz Maico has either black curls, a long yellow pigtail or brown hair. Her name changes from Laurenz to Lorenz at about Exile, and her age changes twice, as she's a year too young in Goes to It, and two years too young later books (and still at school while nineteen) - so EBDisms in age, name and appearance!

#10: Author: Róisín, Location: Gaillimh, Eire

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:55 pm

jennifer wrote:

Laurenz Maico has either black curls, a long yellow pigtail or brown hair. Her name changes from Laurenz to Lorenz at about Exile, and her age changes twice, as she's a year too young in Goes to It, and two years too young later books (and still at school while nineteen) - so EBDisms in age, name and appearance!

And then of course there's the eternal Gwen Parry...

#11: Author: Sam, Location: Essex, UK

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:20 pm

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And then of course there's the eternal Gwen Parry...

Not to mention Prudence and Priscilla!

#12: Author: JenniferG, Location: Durham

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:43 pm

Doesn't Helen McClelland draw attention to the name of Clem Barrass' father in one of her books as her favourite EBD-ism? I don't remember the details, but he goes on a rant in Three Go (?), ending by saying "Or my name isn't Adrian Charles Barrass!" Lo and behold, three books later his name *isn't* Adrian Charles Barrass, it's Miles! Laughing

-Jennifer

#13: Author: Squirrel, Location: St-Andrews or Dunfermline

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:53 pm

And what about the different *matron's* changing. Or rather, the sirname of 'Matey' changes several times. Now is that Lloyd, Gould, or half a dozen other possibilities I wonder! Wink

#14: Author: Rosy, Location: Gloucestershire-London-Aberystwyth

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:00 pm

Squirrel wrote:

And what about the different *matron's* changing. Or rather, the sirname of 'Matey' changes several times. Now is that Lloyd, Gould, or half a dozen other possibilities I wonder! Wink

Actually, I just assumed that there were often multiple Matrons, what with there being quite a few girls to look after, and that Matey was the generic nickname for them all. Only in the very early books is there one Matron, and EBD is fairly consistent then.

I'd vote for Josette - poor girl. Bet she had a real complex.

#15: Author: Changnoi as guest,

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:17 pm

I would think either Gwen Parry, the Dawbarn twins, or Norah Fitzgerald.

In Wrong, Gwen is approximately the same age as Katharine Gordon. But she is a prefect with Maeve Bettany, ~4? years after Katharine leaves.

In the St Briavel's books, the Dawbarns are the same age as Mary-Lou. But they end up in the same form (or lower, in the case of Prudence) with the triplets, three years younger.

Norah Fitzgerald is identified as a minor character a year or two younger than Katharine Gordon in Wrong. In Coming of Age, a character who is identified as "one of the very little girls" plays a prank on Elinor and the prefects when they are meeting to discuss the sale. The girl who owns up? An "Irish scamp" named Norah Fitzgerald. Poor Norah.

Betsy Lucy also seems to change age between the La Rochelle and CS series. She's supposed to be three years younger than Julie, but she is head girl immediately after Julie, who may be a year older than expected (19), but nothing is said about Betsy being 16 or being an extremely young head girl.

Chang

#16: Author: Mia, Location: London

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:24 pm

Emilia Casabon!

Who is she, I hear you cry - yes, exactly!

She's in Summer Term, and on the walk with Erica. EBD sets up her big moment - how people will always remember her after the walk.... and then nothing! Something happens to Erica instead Rolling Eyes

and Emilia's never mentioned again. This is probably going a bit OT but imagine being so EBDismd, you cease to exist...

I always assumed that Matey was what they called all the Matrons too... I'm sure there's a FOCS article about it somewhere ?

#17: Author: aitchemelle, Location: West Sussex

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:20 pm

Mr Barras starts off as Miles and later becomes Adrian! I have yet to pinpoint the exact moment! (but don't worry I will! Twisted Evil

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#18: Author: jennifer, Location: Taiwan

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:24 am

'Matey' always seems to refer to the matron - short, wiry, sharp tongued but good at heart and all that. Her surname changes randomly from Gould to Lloyd, however, but is more frequently Lloyd.

There's a whole batch of girls who don't age between the first and second half of Exile, and some who don't age from about New House to the second half of exile, but others do, so students in the same form end up several years apart, and a number are at school when they should be 20.

Then there's about a dozen girls who start out with Mary-Lou and the Gang, and end up with the Triplets, and the ones who start out with the Triplets in Switzerland, and end up several forms behind, in spite of being several years older.

The front runners are:

20 when leaving school: Evadne Lannis, Cornelia Flower, Greta MacDonald, Enid Sothern, Kitty Burnett, Emmie Linders, Nancy Canton, Priscilla and Prudence Dawbarn and Nancy Wadham

21: Amy Stevens

22: Joanna Linders (assuming the reference to the prefect Joanna in Three go is Joanna Linders).

Poor Peggy Burnett is in Fifth form at 19, as is Anneli Bertoni.

#19: Author: Ray, Location: Bristol, England

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:46 am

I think you can let her off the two Linders girls - they did get a rather interrupted schooling thanks to the war and the anschluss.

Also, EBD does acknowledge that Amy's there past when she should have left (I think it's in one of Highland Twins/Lavender/Gay where there's a reference to Amy's ill health).

The rest, though, have no excuse - and you missed out Elizabeth Arnett and Betty Wynn Davies, who both managed to not age in the 18 months between the two halfs of Exile!

Ray * Smile

#20: Author: Michelle, Location: Near London

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:03 am

All the Burnetts get a bit confused.

Mary is mentioned as being in the form below Jo in School at, but is a year older than Jo by Head Girl, if not before.

Kitty is in the 4th form in Lintons (she was 3rd form in Eustacia, and Mary Shaw is the 3rd form girl at Joyce's midnight feast). In Highland Twins, I think Kitty finally reaches the 5th form. (Or perhaps it's Goes To It.) Later in life, she changes her name to Betty. Unless there were four sisters, of course.

Peggy and Robin are both "nearly ten" in and Jo, but in Exile (I think), Peggy is head of the 2nd form, and Robin is head of the 5th form. I also have a feeling she attends the Annexe... am I wrong? It seems strange for a future games mistress.

And the Merciers... first Suzanne is older (Yvette goes to Le Petit Chalet, where the oldest pupil is 9; Suzanne doesn't), then Yvette is older, then Suzanne is older etc... in Rivals, they're in the same gang that plays pranks on the prefects. In either Highland Twins or War, Yvette is in the 6th form, and Suzanne is in the 5th.

Michelle

#21: Author: jennifer, Location: Taiwan

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:26 am

Ray wrote:

The rest, though, have no excuse - and you missed out Elizabeth Arnett and Betty Wynn Davies, who both managed to not age in the 18 months between the two halfs of Exile!

Ray * Smile

I left them out because they are 'only' 19 when they leave school, and there's about two dozen students in that category! When Amy's situation is described it's said that she's almost 19, and her age on joining the school has been downgraded from 8 to 6.

There must have been an extrordinary number of very poor students in the school, given the number of girls who are kept down two or three times during their schooling - maybe they are the ones who couldn't get the hang being taught one class in three different languages.

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