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#1: Mary Burnett Author: KateLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:37 pm
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What do we know about Mary Burnett after she leaves school? My brain has gone completely blank and all I can remember is that she studies languages and comes back to teach... Is that right? What happens to her after that? Does she get married?

#2:  Author: LesleyLocation: Allhallows, Kent PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:11 pm
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Doesn't she teach History? She must have studied History at uni. She gets married between Island and Peggy - think it possible it could be the doctor that helped when Dorcas Brownlow was injured falling down the stairs at the cinema (Mystery). She's a cousin of Rosalie as well as being sister to Peggy Burnett. She lived in the same town as Grizel's family and where Madge, Dick and Joey were at start of series.

#3:  Author: catherineLocation: Newcastle upon Tyne PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:19 pm
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I think Mary's future was subject to a bit of an EBDism as I have a feeling it was said that she wanted to study languages but she ended up teaching History ...

Is there an explanation at the start of 'And Jo' as to why she left at the end of the Easter term?

She also had Kitty (occasionally known as Betty!!) for a sister.

Also, I *think* she went to Scotland to live as there is a mention of Peggy going to stay with her. Is there something about Peggy attending a christening or something in Reunion? Or have I completely made that up?!


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#4:  Author: jenniferLocation: Taiwan PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:19 pm
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Mary leaves school a term early to help her mother, who is ill. She originally intended to teach modern languages, but returns in England as history mistress. She leaves after a few years to marry an unspecified doctor (possibly the one who helped during Mystery?), and relocates to Aberdeen. She later has twins.

#5:  Author: KateLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:36 pm
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Oh drat her. If she doesn't actually study languages (she says she will in Rivals) does she still go to the Sorbonne then?

I am using her to prove a point in my thesis based on that Rivals quote and now it seems she doesn't prove it at all. LOL

#6:  Author: Alison HLocation: Manchester PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:44 pm
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She comes back to teach in War/Goes To It when the school moves to Armishire, if that's any help. & I think she leaves at the end of Island, at the same time as Gillian Linton. Everyone is having a conversation about people getting scattered around and losing touch, and Joey (who was in the staff room yet again!) said something about Mary's future home being in "Aberdeenshire".

She definitely teaches history, but I don't think we're told which uni she went to. She got sent home supposedly to help her mother who was ill, to get her out of the way so that Joey could be Head Girl!

#7:  Author: KateLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:46 pm
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I've changed "attends the Sorbonne" to "plans to attend the Sorbonne" which possibly covers me.

EBDisms are extremely irritating when trying to do academic essays on the Chalet School...

#8:  Author: Ruth BLocation: Oxford, UK PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:47 pm
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Except,I guess, if you are writing on EBDisms, in which case the material is plentiful! Wink

Mary definitely went home after leaving school and no academic careeer is planned for her. When Joey points out that the head of the high was nearly nineteen, Madge points out that she is now at Oxford, whereas Mary is merely going home.

#9:  Author: KateLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:55 pm
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That's a pretty big EBDism then, as in Rivals it says:

Quote:
Mary took the lead. ‘I want to go to the Sorbonne, and take my “bachot.” Then I shall try to get a post for modern languages in some good school, and when I’ve taught a few years, I should like to be head-mistress in a big high-school.’
‘But do you never wish to wed?’ asked Marie, open-eyed.
Mary shook her head. She was that rare thing, a genuine student, and she knew that, for her, the ambition she had just spoken would bring the greatest happiness.


I guess plans and ambitions change... but still.

I almost am writing on EBDisms by now! I keep making a point and then having to footnote it by saying "of course, in a later book EBD completely contradicts herself..."

#10:  Author: ChangnoiLocation: Milwaukee, USA PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:06 am
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Can we read your thesis when it's done?

Intrigued,

Chang

ETA: The question ought probably to be, "May we?"

#11:  Author: KateLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:12 am
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If you really want to... it's very boring and you'll probably disagree with it all though...

#12:  Author: ChangnoiLocation: Milwaukee, USA PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:22 am
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Kate wrote:
If you really want to... it's very boring and you'll probably disagree with it all though...


But I will enjoy it! I like reading things! And I will tell you that it's very good, because I'm sure it is, and I will talk it up to all my friends!

I want to read academic criticism of the Chalet School!

Chang

#13:  Author: KateLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:33 am
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There are plenty of books without resorting to mine! Smile

Anyway, I shall send it to you when it's done. If it ever gets done. On condition that you do not point out any mistakes/Kate-isms as it'll probably be too late at that stage as I'll have handed it up. Laughing

#14:  Author: macyroseLocation: Great White North (Canada) PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:38 am
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May I read your thesis too, Kate? It sounds very interesting. Very Happy

#15:  Author: ChangnoiLocation: Milwaukee, USA PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:00 am
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Kate wrote:
On condition that you do not point out any mistakes/Kate-isms as it'll probably be too late at that stage as I'll have handed it up. Laughing


Promise!

Chang

#16:  Author: jenniferLocation: Taiwan PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:25 am
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The only going to be at home quote is for Bette

Quote:
"Yes; and now she's shingled, and at Oxford," said Joey. "Bette is
only going to be at home.


Mary is definitely planning on the Sorbonne in Rivals, but I don't think it says where she actually went.

She leaves after Eustacia, but the sick mother explanation isn't given until Peggy

Quote:
Mary Burnett had been, and should have stayed on till the end of the
summer term; but Mrs. Burnett had an accident, and there were two
small boys who were one person's work at home, so Mary had to leave
school a term sooner than anyone expected


There is enough time for her to have spent a year or two at home helping out and do a university course before returning to teach in Goes To It.

#17:  Author: CarolineLocation: Manchester PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:24 am
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Those "two small boys" seem to be a later invention, too - I don't remember any indication in the Tyrol books that Mary, Kitty and Peggy had brothers....

Caroline.

#18:  Author: RóisínLocation: Gaillimh PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:14 am
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Kate I would love to see your thesis up on the transcripts site maybe as a new category of criticism. I loved reading Tara's (Judith's). Also, you say there are lots of other books criticising/discussing EBD -> any chance of a bibliography that you could post? Very Happy

#19:  Author: KateLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:41 am
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I'll definitely post a bibliography when I've it done. Smile I'm not sure about the transcript site though - I'd have to see where I stand re copyright for quotes and so on... I'm also sort of nervous of calling the wrath of everyone down on my head if they disagree with me!

#20:  Author: KatherineLocation: London, UK PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:06 pm
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I think that copyright law lets you quote a 10th of a book without infringing it so it's enough so that it would be hard to infringe just by quoting.
That is in Britain, not sure how things work re a) the internet and b) you being in Ireland.
Another one who would be interested to read it.

#21:  Author: MiaLocation: London PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:09 pm
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Couldn't you publish it on your LJ please Kate?

*joins the queue to read* Smile

#22:  Author: KateLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:11 pm
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Aaaaaargh pressure.

It's not even finished yet and at this rate it never will be. lol

I promise you all can read part of it at the very least, but it depends on how confident about it I'm feeling. Which is not very at the present moment. But we'll see. Considering the amount of help I've gotten here, you really have a right to, I suppose!

#23:  Author: Laura VLocation: Czech Republic PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:48 pm
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I'm sure Mary Burnett left teaching at the same time as Gillian Linton (Island, I think) to be married and moved to Aberdeen....well, that's the idea I used in my drabble Confused

#24:  Author: LizBLocation: Oxon, England PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:09 pm
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Yes, because doesn't Biddy come along in Carola to take her place as history mistress.

The sick mother explanation is another EBDism I think, as Madge knows at the beginning of Eustacia that Mary isn't going to be there after that term, and tell Jo that she will be head girl next.

#25:  Author: DawnLocation: Leeds, West Yorks PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:42 pm
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Waves hand wildly in an effort to join the wanting to read Kate's thesis group

Laughing

#26:  Author: ChairLocation: Rochester, Kent PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:47 pm
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Could I read the thesis as well please, Kate? TIA.

#27:  Author: KateLocation: Ireland PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:47 pm
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*hides*

I don't think I can fight the combined force of the entire CBB! Smile Like I said to Chang, you can all read it as long as you don't point out the flaws. lol I'm all too well aware of them!

#28:  Author: CatherineSLocation: Smalltown, West of Scotland PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:43 pm
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Sorry to go off topic, but this seems the best thread to say - Best of luck with the completion of your thesis, Kate. I've only done dissertations, but still remember the tremendous relief when it was finally off my hands. (Of course like everyone else I'd love to read it, too, whether I found myself agreeing with it or not Smile .)

Catherine

#29:  Author: Loryat PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:18 pm
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Ruth B wrote:
Except,I guess, if you are writing on EBDisms, in which case the material is plentiful! Wink

Mary definitely went home after leaving school and no academic careeer is planned for her. When Joey points out that the head of the high was nearly nineteen, Madge points out that she is now at Oxford, whereas Mary is merely going home.


Isn't that Grizel and Joey arguing when Bette leaves and Grizel has to become HG? In Rivals/Eustacia it definitely says that Mary is a 'born student' with absolutely no intention of marrying. This could be seen as an EBDism but after all lots of people probably thought that till they fell in love.

#30:  Author: ClareLocation: Liverpool PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:11 pm
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Loryat wrote:
In Rivals/Eustacia it definitely says that Mary is a 'born student' with absolutely no intention of marrying. This could be seen as an EBDism but after all lots of people probably thought that till they fell in love.


Guilty as charged...

Two years ago was on a PGCE night out... Sitting next to Richard. Part way throught he meal, conversation turns to relationships. I declared my intention of never getting married. Guess who's now engaged to Richard!! He laughs about it now, but he confessed it made him very worried for a while and part of the reason why he didn't ask me out earlier Laughing

#31:  Author: Loryat PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:57 pm
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What a lovely story! I hope you're very happy. Very Happy

I bet it was even more common during that period, when people usually had to choose between a job and family.



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