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#1: Clocks Author: Kathy_S, Location: midwestern US PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:04 am

Just noticed that Margia et al. are leading in the clock competition: striking 207 vs. only 130 for the "repaired" clock in What Katy Did. And to think, I never noticed this before. (Actually, I never noticed either number until the Exploits quiz last summer, when of course I had no idea of the answer.) Also intrigued that a penitent Katy begins "weeping like a waterspout" after a few words from her headmistress. Was EBD influenced or what? Laughing

 

#2:  Author: Cazx, Location: Swansea/Bristol PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:29 am

Maybe she was! After all there are two Elsie Carr's!

 

#3:  Author: LizB, Location: Oxon, England PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:01 am

But at least Katy's reformation after her accident isn't instantaneous!! Liz

 

#4: Katy's accident Author: Alison H, Location: Manchester PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:06 pm

Are there shades of Katy in Stacie Benson? OK, Katy's accident doesn't happen under such "dramatic" circumstances, but she still has to spend ages lying in bed afterwards and becomes a nicer person.

 

#5:  Author: Miriam, Location: Jerusalem, Israel PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:34 pm

Since GGBp published 'In The High Valley' I've wondered whether this was he source for Phil and Geoff's names. There is never any explanation given in the books, as there is with most of the older children.

 

#6: Names Author: Alison H, Location: Manchester PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:10 pm

Maybe by then Jo had so many children that she'd run out of names, so she just picked 2 out of a book!

 

#7:  Author: Jennie, Location: Cambridgeshire PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:15 pm

I always thought that Phillippa was named for Phil Graves. Probably I'm wrong, though. Am in an Eeyore sad and gloomy mood owing to catching nasty heavy cold from No 1 son.

 

#8:  Author: Tiphany,  PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:24 pm

Cazx wrote:
Maybe she was! After all there are two Elsie Carr's!
Ahhhhh! I'd wondered why she seemed familiar... that'll be it!

 

#9:  Author: Trish, Location: Australia PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:33 am

Heh. The two Elsie Carrs confused me terribly when I was a kid!

 

#10:  Author: claire, Location: South Wales PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:58 am

And when they mentioned Elsie's sister in the San I was convinced it was Katie and couldn't work out why Clover wasn't at the school Embarassed

 

#11:  Author: Rachel, Location: Plotting in my lair PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:41 am

Just to off at a complete tangent... When I was a child and first read "What Katy Did", I was terribly confused by the Valentine's gift Elsie received. As I recall it was a seal with her name in old fashioned letters. Sadly my infantile brain at that point could only cope with the idea of a seal being a barking aquatic mammal, so I was most confused and wondered why her name had been put on it! Took me quite a long time to rationalise that with the era the book was written in, they were actually discussing the kind of seal used to make impressions in sealing wax!

 

#12:  Author: KB, Location: Melbourne, Australia PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:57 am

Rachel, I thought exactly the same thing!

 

#13:  Author: Sarah_G-G, Location: Sheffield (termtime), ? any other time! PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:14 pm

I was quite happy that she woule be given a seal ornament with her name on it and, since it's not a book I've read all that recently, I'm not sure that that image wouldn't still have sprung to mind if you hadn't posted that! Embarassed Though I must admit I wondered why a seal was deemed appropriate for her.

 

#14:  Author: Tiphany,  PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:58 pm

claire wrote:
And when they mentioned Elsie's sister in the San I was convinced it was Katie and couldn't work out why Clover wasn't at the school Embarassed
I can just imagine Johnnie as a naughty middle... How much of an age discrepancy is there? Is Katy about Madge's age, and thus drabble potential?

 

#15:  Author: Joey, Location: Cambridge PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:01 am

I always took it for granted that EBD was using bits from her favourite books - Little Women and the Katy books clearly influenced the early Chalets, and the Elsie books had a minor impact on School by the River. I'm sure there are other examples! What Katy Did was first published in 1876 or thereabouts, and since she was 12 then she'd be at least 40 years older than Madge. ET correct silly typo!

 

#16:  Author: claire, Location: South Wales PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:09 am

If you want to drabble it tiphany don't let a little thing like timing get in the way

 

#17:  Author: Kathy_S, Location: midwestern US PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:51 pm

Katy is also the founder of the SSUC. Not quite the same goal as the SSM ), but a Society for the Suppression of.... Smile

 

#18:  Author: LizB, Location: Oxon, England PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:01 pm

Ah well, they didn't generally have unladylike conduct at the CS Wink Liz

 

#19:  Author: Tiphany,  PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:48 am

Joey wrote:
What Katy Did was first published in 1876 or thereabouts, and since she was 12 then she'd be at least 40 years older than Madge.
Oh! I'd no idea she was that old Embarassed Thanks for clearing that up! They may not have been unladylike, wouldn't Lilly Page be a great candidate for an accident/illness/talking-to and subsequent reformation? Imagine Mary-Lou at work on her...

 

#20:  Author: KB, Location: Melbourne, Australia PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:26 am

Lilly Page reminds me a lot of Joan Baker.

 

#21:  Author: Joey, Location: Cambridge PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:53 pm

I love Rose in at School, but she doesn't seem to change at all in later books. I think she'd be a bit shattering in RL. Is that a sacreligious thing to say or is it allowed?

 

#22:  Author: Miriam, Location: Jerusalem, Israel PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:30 pm

Not at all. I also hate the way she failed to grow up. Her genearal behaviour was fine as ateenager, but as an adlt she seems spoilt and immature. I would have hated to spend any lenght of time in her company, and have the highest respect for her daughter for puting up with her as she does. (If the rest of the CBB try to kill us for that, at least we have each other for company Twisted Evil )

 

#23:  Author: KB, Location: Melbourne, Australia PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 10:24 pm

I thought Rose in Next was a lovely caricature - not a real person at all. I could imagine her being the way she was at school until she had her baby and changing then with the burden of responsibility. She doesn't annoy me, in fact she rather amuses me, but she's not overly realistic.

 

#24: Re: Rose Red Author: Catrin, Location: Wirral (holidays), Oxford (term) PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:52 pm

Alison H wrote:
I'm not sure about Lilly Page, but I can definitely imagine Rosamind Redding as a Chalet School girl. Mind you, EBD woud probably have thought that Rose was a terrible sinner because she talked to the boys from the college and teased Lilly Page and would have reformed her into a goody-goody, so maybe not!
Ah - took me a while to work out who Rosamund Redding was! Looks like I'll be doing some re-reading!

 

#25:  Author: catherine, Location: Newcastle upon Tyne PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:58 pm

Going back to the Phil and Geoff thing - I may be wrong and I can't remember what/where I read it but isn't Geoffrey a family name? After Jo's father or something?

 

#26:  Author: Mia, Location: London PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:04 pm

Catherine asked
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isn't Geoffrey a family name? After Jo's father or something?


I was looking up all the references to Rix Bettany before I started my drabble and he is Richard Geoffrey when the twins are first mentioned in Princess, (although in the family tree in the Newsletters he is Richard John Confused ) Don't know if that supports your theory or not, Catherine but I was always under the same impression as you.

 

#27:  Author: KB, Location: Melbourne, Australia PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:14 pm

No, Jo's father is David (Head Girl - Madge's son is named after him) and Jack's father is Stephen (Lavender - Jo's son is named after him). Goodness only knows where Geoffrey comes from.

 

#28:  Author: Mia, Location: London PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:29 pm

Yes, but I meant it is possible he could have had Geoffrey as a middle name - most of the EBD characters have two christian names and this makes sense to me.

ETA - Just re-read this and I sound quite argumentative - didn't mean to be! Smile

 

#29:  Author: KB, Location: Melbourne, Australia PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 11:15 pm

That's certainly possible, although with the birth of other children, the use of family names tends to produce comments about 'he's named for my father' or the like, and I don't recall anything like that for Geoffrey, but I'm quite willing to be proved wrong. Wink

 

#30:  Author: Polly, Location: Essex PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 8:25 pm

KB wrote:
Lilly Page reminds me a lot of Joan Baker.


I have always wanted to give Lilly Page a good slap!!! Even when I first read the books as a child. She definitely needed 'Mary-Louing'!

 

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