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#1: Cartref Author: Jennie, Location: Cambridgeshire

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:05 pm
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This has been puzzling me for a while.
When the CS moves to the island, Jo,of course, tags along on a flimsy excuse, and ends up living in a house called Cartref. There is also a house by that name in our village.
So, is Cartref a common name for a house, is it a popular house name in Wales, or what?

#2: Author: Róisín, Location: Gaillimh

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:13 pm
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Isn't it Welsh for 'home'?

#3: Author: Alison H, Location: Manchester

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:13 pm
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I've a vague recollection from somewhere that Cartref actually means house/home in Welsh.

#4: Author: Caroline OSullivan, Location: Reading, Berkshire, UK

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:16 pm
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Jennie, it may well be a CS fan. I know of someone in your part of the world who has a house named Cartref - she's also on Girlsown.

#5: Author: Katherine, Location: London, UK

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:22 pm
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You’ll have to knock on the door and ask!

#6: Author: Lexi, Location: Liverpool

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:39 pm
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Alison H wrote:

I've a vague recollection from somewhere that Cartref actually means house/home in Welsh.

Isn't that a bit odd though? I don't know any English houses that are called "House"

#7: Author: Kat, Location: Kingston-upon-Thames/Swansea

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:56 pm
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Cartref means home, not house - house is tŷ.

ETA: there is a restaurant/pub in St Davids, Pembrokeshire called Cartref. Does yummy food! Very Happy

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#8: Author: Rosie, Location: Land of Three-Quarters Sky

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:58 pm
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There was a house on my road last year called Cartref. It was a bit exciting. My house was called Gwelmor - sea view. At least, I think it was.

I've seen a few houses in England with Welsh names - must be ex-pats!

#9: Author: Lindsay, Location: Sheffield/Kidderminster

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:55 pm
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Don't know about Cartref, but the cafeteria next door to my brother's hall of residence in Bangor is called Plas Gwyn, which amused me.

#10: Author: Lulie, Location: Middlesbrough

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:02 pm
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When my sister lived in Pavenham (not far from Bedford) there was a house in a village near her called Cartref. My sis nearly jumped out of her skin the first time we drove past and I got excited. Laughing

#11: Author: francesn, Location: away with the faeries

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:43 pm
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There was a bakery in the village when I lived in Wales called Cegin Cartref (Homely kitchen) but I never saw a house called Cartref

#12: Author: Pat, Location: Doncaster

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:03 pm
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Rosie wrote:

There was a house on my road last year called Cartref. It was a bit exciting. My house was called Gwelmor - sea view. At least, I think it was.

Well Gwel Arvor is view of the headland in Cornish, so it sounds about right!! That was the name of our bungalow.

#13: Author: Rosie, Location: Land of Three-Quarters Sky

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:17 pm
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Lindsay, I have some sad news - Plas Gwyn is for the chop (so to speak)! Although they have been saying that for donkey's years... Which halls is he in anyway? I was in Llys Tryfan in first year - the knackered old building by the back gate, with the cement-stuff coming off the walls!

And Pat, Cornish is DISTURBINGLY close to Breton. *brain breaks*

#14: Author: Pat, Location: Doncaster

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:19 pm
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Rosie wrote:

Lindsay, I have some sad news - Plas Gwyn is for the chop (so to speak)! Although they have been saying that for donkey's years... Which halls is he in anyway? I was in Llys Tryfan in first year - the knackered old building by the back gate, with the cement-stuff coming off the walls!

And Pat, Cornish is DISTURBINGLY close to Breton. *brain breaks*

Breton Cornish and Welsh are all linked!!!!

#15: Author: Rosie, Location: Land of Three-Quarters Sky

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:23 pm
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Well yes I know, but Cornish and Breton are closer than Breton and Welsh, I believe. Although if Cornish grammar is anything like as odd as Breton I would be awfully impressed. Although learning Breton grammar through French (and sometimes Welsh) may not make it any more comprehensible...

#16: Author: Tiffany, Location: Is this a duck I see behind me?

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:34 pm
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Cornish has absolutely RIDICULOUS mutations *brain falls off*, much more so than Welsh.

I've seen quite a few houses called Cartref - I don't know why it's so popular, cos surely everyone lives at home...

#17: Author: Lindsay, Location: Sheffield/Kidderminster

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:44 pm
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Rosie wrote:

I think his hall is called Bryn Dinas or something like that. He's lucky because it's a fairly shiny newish looking place with good views of the sea and Anglesey, which certainly beats the carpark views I got from Halifax Hall in Sheffield, or the attractive concrete landscape seen through my window in my hall in France last year.

#18: Author: Rosie, Location: Land of Three-Quarters Sky

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:52 pm
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Bryn Dinas - illegally tall and falling down the hill. Although I have to admit the views are splendacious and I miss them A Lot. Even though I have beautiful beaches here... Funnily enough, the view out of my window is also of concrete.

Gnome, Breton mutations are also possibly worse than Welsh. Although this may be due to the fact I have them explained to me by insane Frenchmen...

#19: Author: Catriona, Location: South Yorkshire

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:41 pm
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I suppose Joey kept up the theme when she called her Swiss home "Freudesheim".......

#20: Author: Mrs Redboots, Location: London, UK

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:49 pm
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Tiffany wrote:

I've seen quite a few houses called Cartref - I don't know why it's so popular, cos surely everyone lives at home...

Better than "Chez Moi", any road! Do you remember how, in Pamela Brown's <i>Swish of the Curtain</i>, Mrs Potter-Smith's house was called "Chez Moi" and one of the characters, after muttering that it ought to have been called "The Potter-Smithy", wonders aloud why it's called "Cheese Moy"!

#21: Author: KB, Location: Melbourne, Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:12 pm
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Catriona wrote:

I suppose Joey kept up the theme when she called her Swiss home "Freudesheim".......

Not quite, as Freude is applying an adjective (happy, jolly), which gives it rather a different meaning.

#22: Author: Róisín, Location: Gaillimh

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:21 pm
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KB wrote:

Catriona wrote:

I suppose Joey kept up the theme when she called her Swiss home "Freudesheim".......

Not quite, as Freude is applying an adjective (happy, jolly), which gives it rather a different meaning.

But similiar enough to be called a theme. She chose to call the house some form of 'home' and she chose to use the local language to do so. That's quite distinct from, say, calling the house in Wales 'Tall Pines' and the house in Switzerland 'Red Roof' or whatever. I wonder did she name the house in Canada.

#23: Author: Clare, Location: Liverpool

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:35 pm
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Well if she was in a French speaking area she might have taken on Mrs Redboots suggestion - Chez moi!

Or 'Maison'. Can't remember much more French!

#24: Author: Alison H, Location: Manchester

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:13 pm
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Maybe Bonne Maison, like Madge's house in Guernsey Very Happy

#25: Author: Tara, Location: Malvern, Worcestershire

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:33 am
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Creeps in to confess - guess what my house is called?? Embarassed

Why? Because I'm a Welsh exile, and it reminds me of home.

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